Thread:LucidPigeons/@comment-25008763-20150319022307

first, thank you for ending that weird rant Emperor Gear went on.. second, I have a query :

can Valeyard be considered a complete monster or does he fail for the same reason as Akhaten?

reasons I'd say he counts more is:

1) he has a choice not to be evil (since he evolved from a good character, rather being born "pure evil")

2) he's very intelligent (and thus knows what he's doing is wrong but does so anyway)

3) while by far not the most destructive he is a very petty and ruthless foe who will literally do anything to succeed (neutral evil at its worst)

some negatives, however:

1) his appearance is rather brief (and debatable on modern canon)

2) he is outdone by some characters (Davros comes to mind)

3) while not a parasite that requires evil to survive he is claimed to be made of all the "evil" parts of the Doctor.. so while he can have a choice to be good it may be harder (since his nature would be inclined towards "evil")

just wanted to see what one thought, in Who (like any massive franchise) there can be multiple CMs.. but true CMs are always rare, which is why I want to make sure any character I believe *may* qualify is checked first with others (to minimize bias) 