Thread:Panzysoldat/@comment-10991013-20190925013909/@comment-10991013-20190926183632

Hey man, yeah I am from the Scream Wiki.

1. ScaryMovie53 told me you need help with Slasher. What is it exactly?

2. How would you rank the killers from Scream? All 11 of them? WORST TO BEST: Here is my list. I based this off of kill count, intelligence, treachary, motive, and planning/execution.

10. Charlie Walker (Scream 4; 21st Century Woodsboro Murderer) Charlie Walker is one of the movie buffs from Scream 4. He is also the president of the cinema club. The reason he ranks this low was because he was whipped, big time. He trusted Jill and she killed him so she could be the star of the show and frame him as the killer. Also, he is unoriginal. We had the movie buffs being the killers for so long. It’s kinda cliche. His plan was, well he didn’t have one. He was just gonna be betrayed anyway. Also, we don’t know his motive. It is hinted however that it is sexual frustration, and that’s just a bad motive. Just because Kirby didn’t see him for 4 years? I mean I would be offended haha, but not killing people. Some good things I can say about Charlie are his calls. Pretty good calls, and Olivia’s death is brutal. Probably the 2nd most brutal killer in the franchise. But it’s just that his motive is bad, he isn’t treacherous at all, and he is dumb, and easily betrayed by his secret girlfriend. Come on, Charlie, that easily seduced?

This is where it gets controversial. These next two are gonna trigger some people.

9. Stu Macher. (Scream; Woodsboro Murderer) Now, in 1996, people were hyped that there were two killers, cause we haven’t seen that shit in a long time. But I know people are gonna rank Stu and Billy up high just because “they’re the original” or “they changed horror movies” or “they’re the best because they are.” Stu ranks low on this list because he had no motive. In fact it’s hinted he just was there because he went along with Billy. He isn’t intelligent, and purely used by Billy for proof he wasn’t the killer. He also let Sidney and Neil go when he had the chance to kill them. He was a lackey, a second fiddle, and was just the muscle, and that’s it. Some good things I can say about him are that he has one of the best kills in the franchise, which was gutting Drew Barrymore’s character Casey. Other than that, the only treacherous thing he did was just being content with his girlfriend’s death. He had one of the worst motives and tried to get Sidney to kill his frenemy Randy. Also he didn’t have a plan. What, was it just hanging out with Billy? Also stabbing each other before killing Sidney and Neil? Come on now.

8. Billy Loomis (Scream; Woodsboro Murderer) I told you this list would be controversial. Billy is one of the well rounded by the book type killers. Angry, vengeful and like a volcano, ready to explode. However, he has the lowest kill count of 3 people, and one of them was offscreen. Also, let me say that my shoes are smarter than Billy and Stu’s brains combined. Stabbing each other before they killed Neil and Sidney? That was dumb. Billy wasn’t really smart. The only smart thing he did was to get suspicion off of him. He betrayed his girlfriend, his friend and maybe even wanted to betray Stu with the stabbing. I don’t call mutual stabbing being nice. Billy is like on the low end of the spectrum simply because of his kills and his intelligence. However, I do have to applaud Billy for having the best killer reveal in the whole franchise and he changed how people look at horror movies.

I had a hard time debating these next two killers.

7. Beth (Scream Season 3; Weaver High Murderer) Beth is the goth girl killer, something we have never seen in a scream film. We have seen vengeful mothers, boyfriends, sibilngs, movie buffs, and now we have the Goth Girl. Let me say this, killers with motives like Beth, which being it’s scarier when there is no motive, it is scarier. However for this list type of thing, with no motive, it is weird to go on a killing spree. In fact she had a stupid motive. She wants to be a better Killer than Jason, Michael Myers, basically any type of killer out there. And plus she was born bad? That ain’t a motive. Worst motive in Scream history. Her kills are good, killing Shane with his own medicine, and she has the best kill of the season by killing Amir. She ranks above Billy purely for her intellect, kills, and treachery. Her treachery is in the top 5, cause she killed her own accomplice, a police officer and 3 people who cared about her, especially Amir, who loved her deeply. She is one of the most evil Scream killers of all time, but that don’t mean pure evil gets you very far. Also what was her plan? To kill every one and that’s it? That’s a stupid plan. In fact just to say “I’ll kill everyone and stop.” Like not really a plan if I say so myself.

6. Debbie Salt (Scream 2; Windsor College Murderer) I had a hard time wether or not Debbie should be ahead of Beth or not. I mean, it can be either or. But I think she slightly edges her out with her motive. I mean, tbh, I hate Debbie’s motive. She had to kill Phil and Cici and start a killing spree just to kill Sidney? Who knows, maybe it was a good thing she got Mickey to help. She has one of the best plans. All she needed to do was kill Gale and Sidney for killing Billy and then that’s it. To be honest though, she could have just hired a Hitman or something (insert Timothy Olphant reference) or just killed them and no one would ever know who she was. She has the lowest kill count though, tied with Billy. And she has a decent amount of intelligence which is why she ranks above Beth. I like Laurie’s acting in this movie too, how she would transfer from a obnoxious reporter to a creepy eyed killer. She managed to go around campus unsuspected and in her treacherous regards, managed to betray her accomplice and kill 3 people who never cared about her.

5. Mickey Altieri (Scream 2; Windsor College Murderer) Mickey is an insane serial killer. He is a movie buff and was even a killer before he arrived to college! I love Timothy Olphant’s performence in this, and he has one of the best reveals in the entire series. Also he is the first mask reveal in the series. He also has some of the best kills in the franchise, most noticeable for killing Jada Pinkett Smith in the movie theater and killing Officer Richards with the car crash. However, his motive falls a bit flat. He killed people just to blame the movies. Yeah I get he wants to be famous and all, and he likes killing people and that’s okay? But the motive doesn’t even make sense. Sadly he was shot by his partner and betrayed, and he really didn’t have a plan at all. He is above all the rest cause he has killed before, is smarter than the rest, and has the third highest kill count of 8 people. He is in the middle, and is a well rounded by the book killer. He is just a soldier though.

4. Jamal Elliot (Scream: Ressurection; Weaver High Murderer) Who said killers can’t be black? Well no one did. Originally, in Scream 2, Hallie was meant to be the killer, but changed to Mickey. Now in Scream Ressurection, we have Tyga, the Ice Cream Man, as the killer. You maybe thinking why he is so high up on this list? Let me tell you in 3 words. BEST. FUCKING. MOTIVE. Yeah, above Piper, above Kieran, above Roman. Jamal has the best motive in the end tire franchise and it is so reasonable. When Marcus stole Deion’s life and fame, Jamal saw it as retribution and wanted to get back at him. Not kill him but torture him and his career. Jamal is one of the strongest killers in the franchise. Threw a jock far off a balcony, killed a 6’4” Tony Todd, stabbed a trained cop so easily, and was able to knock out his brother jock. Yeah, he got killed by his accomplice, but being killed by his accomplice, but took her down with him by ratting her out to his brother. Doing illegal things, but being a human being at the end of the day. He killed 4 people, and it was so reasonable. It was a little blackmail spree. “Confess and it will go away. If you don’t, your friends or you will die.” That’s the burden Marcus had to live with. Also, not to mention, he has some of the best kills in the franchise. He’s brutal, yet realistic. Also, he almost got away with it, cause he almost got Deion to confess to who he really was.

3. Piper Shaw (Scream S1; Lakewood Slasher) Piper Shaw is the half sister of Emma Duvall. Yeah he seems more of a Roman ripoff, but let me tell you why she ranks 3rd. She betrayed Will, Noah, Audrey, Emma, and her mother Maggie. Also, she has a pretty decent kill count of 6, even most noticeable for Lilian Will Belmont. She clearly has intelligence, wanting to destroy Emma, and has one of the best motives in the entire franchise. To make Emma suffer by killing her friends, and the other two kills (Greyson and Deputy Roberts) are so reasonable too. Also, not to mention not only did Piper make Emma sufffer but she made her have PTSD and go into a mental facility, even after her death. Also, she uploaded her sex tape to the world for Emma to get made fun I’ve along with her boyfriend. She also almost got away with the murders too. She just framed the wrong person because there wouldn’t be a match on the DNA when Seth was tested. Either way, she is a good killer.

2. Roman Bridger (Scream 3; Stab Studios Murderer) and Jill Roberts (Scream 4; 21st Century Murderer) You guys may be wondering, why are these two tied? Or, can we have two ties? The truth is, I have debated of which one is better, and through my ranking, I think they both should get a tie. Let me explain why they are in this position less than our last killer (whom you all know) and tell you first with Roman.

Roman is #2 on my list. Let me say, Scream 3 is my least favorite film in the entire franchise. Also, Roman is the most unrealistic killer in the entire franchise. However, there is no denying his high skill level. He has the 2nd highest kill count in the franchise with a total of 9 for one killing spree. He is also the most intelligent killer in the Scream franchise. He had a bulletproof vest and a voice changer to sound like almost everybody. He killed his 9 employees without even a concern and they respected him. His plan was tbh, okay. Like Debbie and Jill had better plans than him. Also his motive is okay. Like why would he kill the 9 employees he had? Makes no sense. The reason why he is high up is due to his treachary, intelligence, and high kill count. Now onto Jill.

Jill Roberts is #2 on my list also. She is the most treacherous killer in the entire franchise. She betrayed her mom, her best friends, and her 2 boyfriends, Trevor and Charlie. She also betrayed Sidney, Gale, and Dewey. She has a decent count of 6 kills, and she is one of the most smartest killers in the franchise. To be honest, she has a more viable reason for killing her 6 victims. She didn’t like her mother and thought she loved Sidney more. She also killed the cops to get to her mom, and killed her two boyfriends to frame them, not to mention kill Trevor and Jenny for having an affair. She almost it away with the murders and her little planning scene is one of the best scenes in the movie. Her making herself look like the victim. It was a verbal slip up with the matching wounds and she almost would have gotten away with it. She just needed to kill Sidney and that’s it.

1. Kieran Wilcox (Scream Season 2; Lakewood Slasher 2.0) And... Kieran is #1 on my list. Let me say first that he gets a lot of hate for being a Billy ripoff or just being bland. However, there is no denying his skill performance in the season. I love the lead up Piper has in S1 and this introduces a new killer in the second season. Kieran has the highest kill count of 11 people. He is the most brutal killer in the entire franchise. Not to mention he has a big rap sheet for killing an animal and burning down a house. It is also hinted he set up the accident for his mom and step dad to die, bringing his kill count to 13 people, which the judge during his sentencing that he killed over a dozen people. That’s crazy! Also he is one of the most treacherous killers in the entire franchise. Kieran was practically God-tier. Yeah, a lot is unrealistic but again, no denying his skills. He was a master lock picker, hacker, crime scene fixer/cleaner, sneaker, even standing on Audrey's bed to finger paint in blood while she slept in it. He could also be in two places at once. Yeah people did suspect him in S1 but I’d say once Piper died, the suspicion was thrown off of him. He is extremely elaborate, as seen by how he hung Haley like a doll, and somehow got Jake up on the catwalk for his body to fall from the banners on Brooke. He fooled a lot of people. Emma, the FBI (from SEASON 1), the entire police department, Maggie, and even the horror fanatic Noah who never once suspected Kieran. He also has one of the best motives in the entire franchise. He didn’t kill just for fun, but he wanted revenge for his dad leaving him out of the family, implied he killed his mom and stepdad to get to Lakewood or even cause he resented them. Also killing was better than theray, and also known confimed reasons. He killed Rachel to protect his girlfriend and his ass, Will was personal, Clark too, and with every victim close to Emma and Audrey, killed to frame them.

Here is all my factors placement. Tell me what you feel. :)

1. KILLS (count): Kieran, Roman, Mickey, Piper, Jill, Beth, Jamal, Stu, Charlie, Debbie, Billy

2. INTELLIGENCE: Roman, Piper, Kieran, Jill, Debbie, Beth, Jamal, Billy, Mickey, Stu, Charlie

3. PLAN AND EXECUTION: Jill, Kieran, (Jill and Kieran were so close to getting away with it, but it was a verbal slipup) Debbie, Roman, Piper, Jamal (Jay ranks in middle cause he did get Marcus to confess but he didn't live to see or hear the tale and died), Billy, Beth (she just wanted to kill everyone? What plan is that. She is worse than I remember haha), Mickey, Stu, Charlie (Tell me what you think about that and what your order would be.)

4. MOTIVE: (This involves sole motivation but also why they did what they did and why they killed who they killed. 'What would your list be?)

a. Jamal Elliot (revenge for Marcus taking Deion's name, and revenge on Deion for making his mom commit suicide, and killed Tommy/Hookman for revenge, and Avery for wanting to start the game seriously. Unsure why he would kill LT. Maybe a deal gone bad?)

b. Kieran Wilcox (wanted revenge for his dad leaving him out of the family, implied he killed his mom and stepdad to get to Lakewood or even cause he resented them. Also killing was better than theray, and also known confimed reasons. He killed Rachel to protect his girlfriend, Will was personal, Clark too, and with every victim close to Emma and Audrey, killed to frame them)

c. Piper Shaw (killing Maggie and Emma for the life Emma had and Maggie giving her up, killed cop to frame Seth for the killings, killed Nina, Riley and Will because he wanted to torture Emma, and Greyson to make sure everyone was gone. Maybe attacking Audrey cause of the fight)

d. Jill Roberts (she wanted to gain fame by killling Sidney, she wanted to kill Trevor and Jenny for cheating on Jill, killed 2 armed officers cause they got in the way, killed her mom cause she loved Sidney more, and killing Charlie to frame as the killer)

e. Roman Bridger (wanted to kill Maureen Prescott for abandoning him, and kill Sidney for stealing the life she had. Unknown why kill 9 people. It would have been so much better to say "he killed these 9 people to create the romantic drama he always wanted.")

f. Billy Loomis (wanted to kill Sidney, possibly because he saw her as an extension of her mom, or maybe Roman convinced her. Probably because he thought she was a slut and didn't want that happening to anyone else. Unknown why he would kill Tatum or Himbry though)

g. Mickey Altieri (after watching a video of Mickey, blaming the motives isn't a dumb motive. Farfetched, but it is unsure why he would kill 5 people, presumebly 2 cops to get to Sidney and do Debbie's bidding)

h. Charlie Walker (Charlie had no motive, and we didn't know his motive revealed. He just was seduced or convinced by Jill, but at least he killed some girls because he couldn't have them and because he's whiny, and Kirby finally noticed him, and Jill probably told him what to do, like a fucking dog.)

i. Debbie Salt (To be honest, if she just wanted to kill Sidney and Gale, she should have, or at least that was the attempted kills, but no reason to kill CiCi or Phil. Also her motive is kind of convoluted, like Randy was just there, she kiled him because he badmouthed Billy, but beforehand, what was she doing? It made no sense. I guess having a killing spree would work with Mickey, so whatever.)

j. Stu Macher (Sorry man, peer pressure ain't a motive, but at least its "reasonable"? I mean, it's implied he just went along with Billy. However, I am sure he wanted to kill Steve and Casey like Jill with Trevor and Jenny., but he may have been convinced to do that.)

k. Beth Whigham (she was born bad? she wanted to be the best villain? She doesn't compare to any of the Ghostfaces haha. But did she wanna expose people as hypocrites? What was she doing?!)

5. TREACHARY: Jill, Kieran, Roman, Piper, Beth, Mickey, Billy, Jamal, Debbie, Stu, Charlie