Thread:Panzysoldat/@comment-31330278-20190725214555/@comment-31330278-20190727210118

1A. She did realized it. Deep down, she knew it's partly her fault. That's why she lost it. For her, it was either killing herself or avenging her dead son. For the sake of the discussion, if we assume Motherface wasn't sane and had no good reason to do what she did, then it leaves us with Jamal. He was sane and had a great motive. You gotta respect someone who tried to redeem himself and even revealed Beth at his final moments. I know he didn't said the name, but saying "she won't stop until you'll be dead" is all the hints Marcus needed.

1B. He was more similar to an improved Billy. His relationship with Piper, seeing her as his worship interest and all, is a reflection to the showrunners' speculaions about a scenario where Roman was Ronda. In simple words, if Roman was a girl, i'm pretty sure she would sleep with Billy for gaining his complete fanatical devotion.

1C+D. Also true for Beth. I dont like her one bit, she's a shame to all ghostfaces and her only adavantages are being played by Giorgia Whigham and an artistic side, but i must admit she's tough and know how to operate a horror movie despite being low-tier compare to many of her idols. When i said that psychopaths hate me, i meant that every psychopath i ever met came to hate my guts. I mean, when they stopped hurting me, they avoided me to a disturbing degree.

2. Yup. I thought you know. Sorry for not being clear.

3. They right. I'll send you the link and my personal review:

https://123movieshub.vip/film/spider-man-into-the-spider-verse

First 8 minutes: It began weird. They made Peter Parker acting like Deadpool. Talking about commercials and stuff. Miles Morales reminds me of myself. As smart as he is, not to mention going to be more powerful than Peter, his school is freaking exausting. His colleagues doesnt help. His cop father must refer to Captain Stacy. Spider Gwen will be happy to hear about that. One aspect i know i'll probably won't like, though, it their version of Doctor Octopus. Olivia Octavius just doesnt floating my boat the way Spiderman 2's Alfred Molina version does. Kingpin is rumored to be a cool main antagonist. Being dubbed by Liev Schreiber definitely helps. It will be probably like Victor "Sabertooth" Creed and your idea to McDonald merging into one terrifying character.

Minutes 8-36: When Kingpin killed one of the Spider-people, I realized what you meant. I mean, the king of his name comes from King Louie. He's a freaking bigfoot. Now him vs Batman. The Joker and Bane would be proud. I know for sure Stan Lee is. For good reasons. I was so happy to see him in the movie. Dying of old age, doing what I love the most and having a cameo in my own fictional universe, like Stan Lee did, is almost too amazing to wish for. Spider-Gwen is either yet to come or disguising herself as a blonde student from Miles' class. Being relatively cold-blooded in a sticky situation involving involuntary connection between her hair and Miles' hand is something Gwen would do. One of Peter's versions was the saddest one I remember. Divorced from Mary-Jane (she also appeared as his widow in another dimension), talked about his broken life and even made me feel sad with talking about sea horses attachment patterns. How sad can someone be to make sea horses seems like a good analogy to the marriage Peter wanted, in contrast to what he had? Knowing it could have been prevented if Gwen didn't got killed makes it even harsher. I wish Spider-Gwen would return to the broken Peter's dimension and fix it all.

Minutes 36-52:Peter now officially recognize Miles as his protege/student. The first real leason Peter taught Miles was "dont look at my mouth. Look at my hands". Body language in one sentence. Given Peter told it when he was tied up in Miles' webs, i would say every rookie interogator and armed forces officer learns it from day one. I must say that, as racist as it might sound, Peter and Miles' chemistry reminds me of Agent K (Peter as the white extraordinary veteran) and Agent J (Miles as the black promising new recruit). When they got into Doctor Octopus' lair, they got a funny moment. Peter: "relax your fingers. Be in the moment". Miles: "I am in the moment. It's a terrible moment" lol. I know Kingpin is a freaking bigfoot, but seeing him intimidating Doctor Octopus makes him even more menacing. Like how Shredder used to intimidate Doctor Stockman. Do you think he could pull this threat off with Doc Oc's Alfred Molina version as well? Another reason why i like Doc Oc as Oto more than as Olivia is Olivia being weird. She see Peter in her lab, doesnt suspect anything and just physically examining him in misplaced fascination. I'm pretty sure what she did can be considered as sexual harassment, or at least highly illigal invasive methods. It's weird to see a woman doing it. Maybe the good people wanted us to see her as disturbing? "My friends call me Liv" is self condradicting. I mean, '''a degraded version of Doctor Octopus have friends? '''She's probably one of those girls who leave behind long raws of bitter exes. The only way i can see her having friends is if she brainwashed them, like how Babyface brainwashed Olivia Morris and Kirby.

Minutes 52-1:14:53 and ending: Gwen came just in time and she was awesome. Emma Stone would’ve liked it. Her sheer awesomeness makes you wonder how on earth could anyone ever thought of getting her killed for evolving Peter's character. She came from a version where Peter serve as the lion to the slaughter and she's the hero. Turns out she was already on plain site, spying on Miles by posing as his classmate. I saw it coming from miles away. I dont know if it's the movie trying to be obvious or me having common sense. I dont like Olivia as a villain, but i gotta give her credit for raising herself up with her exterior arms to look Kingpin in the eyes. Quite feministic on the director's side. Do you see Olivia as objectively mal-written villain, or just not as good as Alfred Molina version? After the part Spider-Gwen revealed her mother have a secret bunker in her house, things became weird. 3 other Spider-people made less sense than our initial heroes. The pig who became a spider, an obvious shout-out to "Spider Pig" who does whatever a spider-pig does, was too much. This whole scene felt like a class reunion. It's a good movie, but sometimes i feel it's pressing too hard on the meta jokes pedal. And why would Prowler be Miles' uncle? It doesnt come out as a twist. It's more like a forced plotline. The good people did the right thing with Kingpin's wish to bring his family back, but not with making Prowler as an evil uncle. Another good thing the good people did was giving Gwen an aura of Laurel "Agent L" Weaver from "Men In Black". With her as the last minute savior, Peter as the out of prime professional and Miles as the promising new guy, the good people nailed it. Great chemistry.

4. By chronological order:

A. Billy is Billyface. A wordplay made of Billy and ghostface.

B. Stu is Stupidface, because he's extremely stupid.

C. Mickey is Movieface, because he wanted to blame the movies.

D. Debbie is Motherface for obvious reasons.

E. Roman is Masterface, because he's the mastermind of the whole franchise.

F. Jill is Babyface, both because she have a literal babyface and because of her mommy issues.

G. Charlie is Geekface, because he's a geek.

H. Piper is Viper. A worldplay made of Piper and snake, because she's venomous.

I. Kieran is Prince Blackheart, because he pretended he's Prince Charming to cover over his psychopathy.

J. Jamal is Harlemface, both because he's black and because he lived on the streets for a good portion of his life.

K. Beth is Gothface, because she's gothic.