Thread:Mimic45/@comment-27818776-20151119191810/@comment-7455247-20151119213348

I gave up, but I indeed prepared a message :

I know they are amoral, but I thought that if this wiki has an Amoral category, that was for this kind of villains (as well as the True Neutral category).

In fact, everything in this wiki seems to indicate that hungry animals are included. Many categories openly states that they are made for non-evil predators (take a look at the Animal Villains, Predator, Amoral, Villains by Proxy and True Neutral categories), there are countless pages about hungry predators, and I never seen any rules that said they are not accepted.

In addition, it's not only my opinion, in almost every wikia (except this one) and many other sites (such as TV Tropes. I know they aren't always right in this site but it's only an exemple), the hungry animals are considered as villains. Not to mention the fact that many people recreated the deleted predator pages several times, and I think they will probably continue until the pages will be accepted.

Sure, they can all be wrong, but, sorry to say that, you can be too.

By the way, the definition of what is "evil" is subjective and debatable. Many people became vegans because they think killing animals for food is evil. Predators who kill their preys to eat them can be considered as evil for some (or at least, Obliviously Evil).

One more thing, even if you don't consider them as villains, you can't deny they are antagonists. Okay, this wiki is not about antagonists and I'm fine with that, some antagonists have good intents and therefore should never be added in this wiki. But in the case of predators, they want to kill the protagonists for their own interest (in other words, eat them for survive), which sounds very much like villainy. Sure, their motivation is understandable, so that make them sympathetic villains... but villains anyway.

In addition, unlike in real-life, in most fictions there are only two types of characters : the good guys and the bad guys. If someone (even an animal) is an enemy of the good guys, therefore he is inevitably a bad guy.

Finally, even if they are not really evil, this wiki contains several villains who are not really evil either (such as robots who are only programmed to do what they do, non-evil brainwashed characters, characters with a different morality than ours, or even heroes antagonists), therefore the is no reasons animals shouldn't be included in this wiki too.