Thread:AustinDR/@comment-33014003-20171227164241/@comment-3364901-20171227192645

Aran Donnelly wrote: The Joker in many iterations tortures Batman for the evulz. A bit hypocritical, don't you think? 🤔

no, Joker comes from a work that has deep plot and he has motives beyond just "for the evulz" - Joker exists as part of the story, he compliments the story and he is necessary for the story.. he has complexity and so on.

you're just intent on having Vukmir be something he is not because of your own personal bias, he's a torture porn villain - a Generic Doomsday Monster and a Hate Sink.. the film's "plot" is just to shock and he as a character could be replaced by any other disgusting character and it wouldn't change anything.

a character who is just there to make you uncomfortable or feel sick / disturbed is not a character, it is a gimmick.

anyone can make grimdark stories and torture porn, with characters that exist just to be disgusting - ANYONE.. look at any fanfic and you'll see countless people trying to outdo each other on how disgusting they can make their "villain" : the character is just a front for the shock writer to make shocking material.

Joker etc have purpose and motives as characters, they come from worlds rich in lore - they are not the same as characters who just exist to glorify a torture fetish or exploit a social taboo for infamy.

that's the point, Joker is unique - he has personality and depth that could not exist in other characters and make him Joker.. Vukmir could be replaced by any number of grimdark antagonists and they'd be the same, nothing special to make them stand out.

you refuse to listen because your personal bias is so off the charts it is fanaticism, you won't change the fact that characters like Vukmir are a dime a dozen and are no way creative or exciting.. ANYONE can make a character like Vukmir, just by taking everything society says you can't do and make the character do it.. that's not clever, that's not development and it NOT motivation.

"for the evulz" is not the same as Stupid Evil.. Stupid Evil is when characters have no personality whatsoever beyond just being sadistic assholes.. Joker does evil for the sake of evil but he has a personality and reason behind what he does.. Vukmir types do not.

does this mean you are wrong? no - your views are your own and that's fine.. arguing over and over to try and get the wiki as a whole to comply to your belief however? that won't work.