Thread:AustinDR/@comment-1762629-20141119225320/@comment-1762629-20141120051933

Well, it seems Kodai may have taken some lesson from him. Vicious may lack the hurting of a child, but he still engages in electric torture, the (albeit indirect) murder of a Pokemon, and the destruction against the environment. With J, he's got the numerous attempts on the ten-year old Ash's life, and the Pokemon he's forcefully captured (though it's more like forced enslavement in this case, making him worse than J in that regard). Coupled with the Dark Balls and the implied scenes of cold-blooded murder in the beginning, I'd say he stands pretty firm against J and Kodai, but the question is if he's heinous enough on his own. J and Kodai hit the general heinous standard and set the bar for other villains, and if Vicious actually surpasses that bar...