Thread:Jester of chaos/@comment-31330278-20190813233236/@comment-31330278-20200108234352

1+2A. Speaking of people named Dante: Recently i encountered a PE proposal about a madman named Dante Madarang. Usually i'm not interested in Philipinian shows, but his PE proposal, plus similarities to Escobar and Tiago, got me deeper into the character. You can say he's even worse than Tiago, because Tiago went through hell before becoming what he is, while Madarang had no Freudian excuse, at least as far as i know.

https://villains.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Pat141elite/Dante_Madarang

I have a theory that Madarang is named Dante after "Dante's Inferno". His possible biblical subtext got me thinking about the 4 horsemen. Which of the 4 horsemen does Madarang reminds you the most? for me, the one who's most similar to this Filipino Escobar/Tiago is Death. The horseman, not Azrael.

2B. Not saying Alfred Cusack is a villain, but he does deserve die like Tiago did, beig stuck in a solid cement with only his head sticking, until dying from starvation/hypothermia/anything you can think about. I know he have street wisdom, but is there any chance he'll suffer real bad? The option that his dumb lover will turn on him doesnt count, because it will cost her more than it cost him.

3. One villain i'm thinking to propose is someone more controversial than Phoenix, Dollmaker and Naraku. If you watched "Lady and the Tramp", you remember how ruthless Herman the rat was, especially his live-action version. The reason he's controversial is because he's one of the villains whom type depends on version, like Dodgson, Sharptooth and 2016 Shere Khan. His thirst for blood was well beyond a normal predator. You could see in his eyes that he was smart enough to plan the baby's murder for a period of time that is seen by rats as very long. When he jumped on the crib, his plan B was to frame Tramp at assaulting the baby. To put it simply, he wanted to arrange Tramp's impending death out of sheer spite. He's a serial baby killer, and doesnt have a tragic backstory to justify it. Herman himself isn't particularly scary, but "Lady and the Tramp"'s heinous standard is really low, when the standard is so low, serial baby killers seems even worse than what they already are. I'll see the movie again just to be sure though. If and when i propose Herman, what are the best ways to counter the arguments for downvoting?

4. One way to prevent anyone from sympathizing Douglas is writing him similar to the Alternative timeline Gul'dan's background. In this version, Gul'dan used to be the sideroad of his village, being a mockery for his cripleness. The good shaman did everything he could, but the buffed up orcs literally forced his hands, and then Gul'dan went on searching what would be called many years after "his destiny". He found new dark powers, came back to his birth village and burned everybody, including the good shaman. If Douglas will do something like that, no one will feel sorry for him ever again. Another thing you can do is making Douglas somewhat similar to the drunk god. I assume the drunk god have an abusive husband subtext in him, and Douglas can kill his girlfriend for eternal youth. He might be no worse than Sir Thomas and Kar, but being similar to a worse kind of Alfred Qusack (at least Alfred was a good man before becoming a jackass) is bad enough to be a hate sink.

5. Like all those mobsters that the news talks about their death, and suddenly every second person is coming with "he was such a great guy"/"i would never believe it could be him"/mentioning good stuff he might or might not did kind of horsecrap? Man :-(. That's good in a scary way. General Tiger might end up with good publicity he doesnt deserve, similar to your idea.