Thread:Jester of chaos/@comment-31330278-20180211164358/@comment-31330278-20190509164443

1. When you put it like that, Marx sounds more similar to Hammond than i remember. Wishing to rebuilt the park with so called lessons from the failed attempt, instead of understanding the heart of the illusion, does sounds like something suitable to Don Quixote revolutionaries. One thing both would agree is that "creation is an act of sheer will" (said by Hammond, and he's actually not quite wrong on that one). Sadly, similarly how communism is prone to be abused by the cruel parts of human nature, some challnges in life (creation is one of them. Ask any couple who took fertility treatments, or even writers like us) are too hard for just sheer will. Marx will probably blame the preperators instead of his own ideology, which means he didnt understood that sheer will isn't enough. Do you think Hammond would still say this true but hard to commit statement if he was less rich and more down to earth? Also, your statement about McCarthy as a Frollo (make sense. I wish it wasn't) reminds me of a draft i had for "Royal Solitude 2". Before coming up with Paulus, i considered to write a group of zealots, who wanted to kill the dragon king (he took over at the end of part 1 after burning Mephisto on-screen and replace the human king) for being a dragon, disregarding his relatively benevolent reign. Would it make sense if Paulus will have traits of the deleted zealots? If so, do you see his zealot elite force as a group of rogue humans with McCarthy/Torquemada ideology, or as an elvish inquisition?

2. On topic: Is it possible to wish a god to die the way mortals do? I know it's possible to wish a mortal to die the way gods do. Just not sure about vice versa. I'm tempted to wish him the Prometheus treatment, but dying the way Kar did is far more fitting. Mephisto/Toxocara borrowing inside him can be epic too.

Off topic: I found some fanfics that are so awesome i just have to share them with you:

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11551716/1/Tainted-Love (an alternative history of "Scream", where Sidney have a twin name Katherin. I assume it's based on the writer's speculations about Sidney's inner comflicts during the canon film for various reasons).

https://jpfanon.fandom.com/wiki/Jurassic_World:_Die_Hard (Bruce Willis as an anti-dinosaur terrorist who want to avenge his wife and unborn daughter. The writer is generous enough to give each episode a page of its own, so you would be able to reach every episode at its own).

https://jpfanon.fandom.com/wiki/Malchom%27s_Woods:_A_Jurassic_World:_Fallen_Kingdom_Sequel (Ian Malcolm's nephew and a rouge raptor are dealing with a new disease. Have traits of "Mad Max". While this story is mainly for die hard JP fans, which apperently i'm less die hard than i want to believe, i see it as too awesome to be ignored).

3. "Today i might go to hell, but you'll dine there with me!" kind of thing? That's powerful :-). Leonidas would like it. I can totally see Gerard Butler as an option for Shi, not to mention bashing some scums in jail. I love how you made Sir thomas digging himself deeper while showing this arrogant man plead for life he doesnt deserve. Kinda like with Steven Jakobs and Koba, moments before Caesar left them to fall to their death. You said a very brave thing about Simba. Many people would skin you alive for even thinking that, but i respect your courage. In Sidney's defence, she wasn't stupid enough to forgive Roman. She was just sad that she had to kill her own sibling. "Why, you idiot? I could've loved you!" mindset. And it's no weirder than being scared to see Milton being killed. It's important to say that the "i'm family" card is a cliche that can be played with. If the hero kill the villain regardless of how he/she are feeling about it (turns out that some people are sad about doing what they had to do), i can see their point. If it's supposed to be symbolic, i can respect that, because sometimes symbolism is above all (example: If Simba wasn't merciful, we as an audience wouldn't get the chance to see Scar being devoured by the heynas after one backstab too many). If the forgiveness is the "i forgive you. Now fuck out of here!" type, with being very specific about bering reluctant to forgive vs reluctant to kill, it can make sense. For me, the main problem with this cliche is when the hero choose to forgive for everything the villain did regardless to life.

4A+4B. Dont worry. I'll take it from here. Just explained about Lizard and why he's above the villainy standard of his setting. Aside from Lizard, other villains i'll propose to PE someday are Mad Dog, Mills and Azazello. With Mad Dog, i know he comes from a ridiculously high villainy standard show, but he's real. Katz is amusing and the crocodile puppet-master is a little cartoonish. The doberman is how real life abusers look like. As we both know, he have no redeeming qualities. Creatures like Mad Dogs are deconstructions to Sofia Lamb's vision. With Mills, we have an interesting process. In first watch, i used to think he's pure evil, until people in this wiki said he isn't heinous enough (actually he is). In my second watch, i used to think he had a moment of regret about killing Lockwood. Now, after the 3rd watch, i came to conclude that my first opinion was accurate. His regrets are nothing, and therefore i take back every redeeming quality i ever related to him. He doesnt even have downplaying qualities. Only Dodgson was worse. And finally for this paragraph, we have Azazello. This creature is supposed to be a dog, but his only real canine feature is being very similar to the mad doberman. The only competition Azazello have is Hyena-Swine, which is considered tragic. Azazello wasn't tragic. Just a bloodthirsty psychopath who had the best life out of all the animal folks (the doctor himself raised Azazello like his son) and considered the harsh law (the modus operandi of punishment was to electrocute any rouge animal folk) as too soft for him (at one point, he even shot a leopard man without being asked to do so, and claimed he just wanted to keep the law, despite his sadism was sharp and clear). To top it all, he also tried to rape his cat sister (the sentence "remember how the master wooped me? But he never touched your soft skin, did he?" indicate he attempted to do so for a big portion of his life), and eventually hanged her. I doubt even the Hyena-Swine would do something like that.

4C. Mary would've never abandon her son, unlike her sister, but in a crazy fanfic where she did, do you see her abandonment turning Sheldon from lack of cognitive empathy to lack of affective empathy? Now, the main reason It's weird to think about Debbie and Pamela as sadistic is because they never showed clear signs of sadism, but i know some cruel villains who are also loving parents and their cruely make sense for the character. Zira for example. And King Paulus, with loving Ashley and his dead son, but willing to kill Armada as soon as he realized she ain't his lost daughter. I recall you even said King Paulus can cosidered by first timers as an elf Koba, which is actually a compliment for the character :-). Clyde Shelton wasn't sadist, but you taught me that his wish to avenge his family is highlighting his psychopathy (being remorseless about getting innocents in the crossfire and all) rather than downplaying it.

4D. I was refering to Van Hohenheim using organs of other people to sustain his immortality. Your idea with taking the half-dead orcs and brainwash them to eliminate their doubts about the war, and therefore killing their brain as many times as needed, is just the kind of things Khelshot would do. If the organ donation element won't work as resurrection, it might work as extending the orcs' life. Social Darwinists like Khelshot believe that forcing weak/dying individuals to give away their organs to stronger individuals is the profitable thing to do. The story also implies that Khelshot ordered to donate organs of prisoners/political rivals. The cruel human soldiers who tortured him are an exception, because he wanted to mutilate them beyond regocnition. Hawarged wasn't an exception. It's just that Khelshot zigzagged between trying to kill him and trying to exploit him. Now, you just gave me the idea for a scene where Khelshot is taking a prisoner's organs on screen, '''while the prisoner is still alive and suffering. '''His reaction to the prisoner's agonized face? "Dont eat your heart out. I'll do it for you". Literally.

5. His paranoia isn't similar to ours. You and i have paranoid moments due to hard times, but now it's fades away one day at a time. Alfred is so paranoid that he occasionally fakes apathy for having pseudo-control over his misery. I choose to interpret the fact he was happy when i gave him one of Yuval Noah Harari's books for his birthday and his positive remarks from past times as an indication he appreciate me as a person even after losing his marbles. He was there for me many times before losing it, so i choose to acknowledge his good qualities despite he's more harm than good at the moment. I recall you told me about one of your exes who degraded your sanity with more drama than a man like you should tolerate. Does to possibility that Alfred's fiancee is a Dodgson reminds you of that ex?