Board Thread:Fun and Games/@comment-2175012-20171205173216/@comment-3581997-20171205182150

Wireblade wrote: hey, at least it isn't as toxic as the "villain can always redeem" cliche that is spreading in media today, it is a toxic propaganda tool at best - which ill-equips young viewers of the reality that sometimes there are people that don't *want* to be redeemed.. there are some people who are quite content to be horrible people and the "villain just needs some friends or a second chance" idea is far, far more dangerous and poisonous to both storytelling and culture than the surprise villain trope.

surprise villains are a trend that will fade, like all trends, the "let's redeem a villain" idea however can fester much longer if allowed to set hold.. and can have real life consequences.

You can thank Toriyama for that one taking off the ground, Villain tried to blow-up the planet and killed all my friends, is not sorry in any way and totally intends to do it again given the chance "Here have a magical healing bean". Forgiven for your crime with zero effort to make amends or even base-line remorse. Not to put all the blame on Toriyama, but the making excuses for baddies because you think they are cool thing really did sort of coalesce there. Though at that point we are talking more about fan psychology and not the narrative itself.