Board Thread:Clean up Concerns/@comment-2175012-20171129183922/@comment-1705775-20171130152825

Alan Yates counts because despite the real-life controversies of Cannibal Holocaust the film was meant to have a purpose beyond just shocking its audience.

films designed just to shock people are by nature impossible to have PE/CM because their is NO motivation other than shock valus.. it is called torture porn for a reason, like porn any "plot" is just cheap and rehashed to get to the gore.

unless a film has a moral reason to exist beyond "hey look at how edgey we are" then it is disqualified.

we blame Hostel, Human Centipede and so on for this but it has been going on since at least 80s and it was always about "look guys, let's torture these scantily dressed women" or "you want gore? here's some messed up crap for you" - they add "plot" after, if at all.. the number one goal of these films is to shock.

villains in these films have zero personality beyond being hate-sinks, you HATE them because they exist to be sadistic bastards but they are NOT PE/CMs because they have NO purpose.. they are just tools to get the gore-train going.

now, there are some films in "torture-porn" that have purpose and plot (Jigsaw is a good example, at least at first) but a large majority are basically porn - and no, not even Hellraiser style "torture-porn" (because Hellraiser had an actual plot and meaning behind it all).