Thread:Overseer80/@comment-1672596-20131208215055/@comment-1672596-20131209012027

Overseer80 wrote: No, he does not feel remorse and there is no indication that he hates himself for his crimes. End of story. Fear of punishment and remorse are NOT the same and your insistence that they are is truly, deeply tiresome and exhausting. If a criminal fears punishment, that does not denote remorse. It fears being hurt or getting caught. That's Frollo. Remorse, at least going by how both this Wiki and TV Tropes defines it is "I'm sorry I did this thing" or "I wish I hadn't did this" or "I know what I did was wrong", or something to that effect. Nothing he says or does denotes that, at least not in his hunt for Esmeralda and actions relating to that. And again, it's his lust that he doesn't take responsibility for that is the cause of his fear, not the actual evil things he's done. And even if you regard lust as evil (as he does) that doesn't show remorse either because he blames everyone BUT HIMSELF for it. The "God have mercy on me" part is "I don't want to be punished" not "I know I'm evil and I'm sorry". So perhaps it just comes down to a difference in definitions, but nevertheless, we need to use this site's definition, not your arbitrary one. Same goes with any category on this site.

And TV Tropes does not consider Scar a Complete Monster, at least not anymore. So that means nothing to me either.

Man this has been an exhausting discussion. I really do hate debates like this. No, actually, it is the exact same thing (Heck, that's exactly how I've lived my life, because I KNOW God will destroy me and enjoy destroying me simply because he could and especially if I've been sinful, and since he's all knowing, that means I live in a constant state of terror of God since he does in fact wait to strike as soon as I make any sinful nature, enjoying hurting sinners such as me, no escape whatsoever, He is literally a nightmare to me ever since Raiders of the Lost Ark's climax, and some of the Bible stories and other instances don't help matters much either). Otherwise, he would have gone Kefka on everyone in the beginning (and if you played Final Fantasy VI, its obvious what I meant by that), since he lacks remorse, and when the Archdeacon stops him and tries to tell him about his immortal soul, he'll say "Screw you! You have absolutely no control over me, mortal!" and throws Quasimodo into the well and then the Archdeacon inside as well before cracking a joke at their expense, ending the movie extremely early. Heck, God Himself LACKS remorse, and most likely would do exactly that since he is far above us and has absolutely no one to fear regarding strength or intellect. We mortals have remorse specifically because we fear a higher power inevitably destroying us, the higher powers DON'T have remorse, because they have nothing to fear. God himself LACKS remorse (and BTW, why would he even envision priests saying "Mea Culpa" if he had zero remorse? Had I been in his shoes and had been remorseless, I wouldn't hallucinate these things at all).