Thread:Jester of chaos/@comment-31330278-20180211164358/@comment-31330278-20190817230853

BOT1: Care to change this article's name to "Audrey (You May Now Kill The Bride)"?

https://villains.fandom.com/wiki/Audrey

BOT2: The new "Descendants" movie have a great villain, and her song is so awesome I just have to show it to you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9o1QS-itsU

This song alone motivated me to take interest at "Descendants 3", even though I don't plan on investing myself in any other part of the franchise. One must respect a villain with such song.

1. Is there a slim chance Raven used to have postpartum depression? I know there are some women who do crazy things because of this kind of depression. Unless Taiyang cheated on her, and she lost her mind as a result (unlikely), I can't imagine a good reason she would abandon her family just for leading a tribe. And the worst part is being willing to defend her daughter only once in a life time. I know Jacques is a lot worse, but abandoning her own family because of anything other than PPD is fudged-up.

2+5E. Your vision for him sounds like a merge of Dutch (surprisingly smart warrior) and Malcolm in his JP2 cinematic version (forced into the turn of events and grow up to taking responsibility). If you'll decide to write it for real, you can use a rival villainous death god (Jungle Hunter)/an eco-extremist who force Hades' hands for his separate agenda (Nick Van Owen)/an undead rookie who develop toughness and personality (Kristen Stewart).

3. Most people would never come up with a pacifist almighty, so well done for creativeness. Another reason why I just adore Anastasia. If one of the mafia gods will pull one insult too many, like Sir Thomas probably did, I can totally see her going into Layla Williams mode. Kar is probably too smart to insult her, if only because Sergio will guide him to consider his words carefully. Also, another jarring sugarcoating is the way the Grimm brothers and Disney wrote "Sleeping Beauty" before "Maleficent". King Stefan raped Maleficent and turned her to the green witch we know today. Did they sugarcoated it up until 2014 for the same reason people have the habit of sugarcoating god, or because they really thought Stefan was a good king? I know Jester isn't inspired by Maleficent, but I do believe she can inspire you in the process of creating many other characters in the future.

4. The corruption risk is important, because I met too many good people who lost their way. Alfred Cusack is a classic and sad example. The sadder part is that an outsider can't tell the different between missing in goodness (MIG, a wordplay on MIA) and bad people. Nick Van Owen is considered by some JP fans as a bad man, but his controversial actions on the island were made by an MIG. The real bad man is Ludlow (he created the whole situation to begin with. Without him, Nick couldn't do the controversial thing he did), similarly to Clarence Darby being the real bad man for Clyde Shelton's MIG. I know many former heroes became truly evil (like Tenpenny, Hoskins and Alpha from "Men In Black"), but the difference between them and MIG is important. You and I know the different. I met people who doesn't. Did you ever met people who needed you to explain them the difference?

5A. Now when you say it, milers are very prone to work with cutthroat farmers, so it make perfect sense that Rumple will kill the Miler as well. Are you suggesting Miler would be McDonald's lawyer, or just someone who got caught at the wrong time and place? The possibility of Rumple's baby playing major roles in the future is kinda like the scenario where Red discover she's the birthmother of Gaston and decide to escape from jail for "fixing the mistake she made". Rumple is exclusive to part 2 and Mila killed herself after the failed assault on Rumple, so "Rumple Junior" will need another parental figure. Aurora Estefan can work. Which other parental figures do you have in mind?

5B. You just gave me a new question to think about: Gothel was more pragmatic than some other Disney villains, and years of abuse didn't affected Rapunzel as much as Frollo's abuse affected Quasimodo. Was she pragmatic enough to keep Rapunzel in literally perfect conditions, or does Rapunzel's perfect conditions is mainly because of her healing powers? And theoretically-speaking, does imprisoning Gothel and surround her with Rapunzel's healing could eventually make her a better person?

5C. Oh. I remember the Trident episode. This man couldn't recognize his own reflection. Like most mass murderers we know. Does it also applies for Slade, Brother Blood and Trigon?

5D. I've began watching the movie, and so far Marcus reminds me more of Harlemface (AKA Jamal Elliot from "Scream season 3", whose 3 out of his 4 victims earned it). Both are sympathetic, while Dane lost my sympathy at the very minute he killed one of his own friends because the said friend released the only nice popular guy, and therefore betrayed people who actually cared about him and prevented redemption from both himself and the friend he murdered. Not saying the bullies were better (the lead male bully didn't even bothered knowing Dane's name and the lead cheerleader gave the hypocritical statement "hurting us won't make you feel better"), but his tragedy is less relevant that Marcus and Jamal's. Recently I've noticed that some technically tragic villains doesn't invoke my sympathy. Geekface is a hate sink just like most of the others. I rarely sympathize people who kill their best friend for a girl. Royal Pain could invoke my sympathy when she was really abused and pushed away, but her second villainous career drained her tragedy for me. I mean, her first villainous career ended when she turned into a baby. She had a new life and new name, even raised by a henchman who always knew she'll become his boss again when she'll grow up. She had the perfect chance to be redeemed and stay the most popular girl in her new school, but she chose to throw it all just for taking over the world and taking revenge on people who forgot all about her and would apologies had they knew it was her. And i'm yet to mention the part she abused her fatherly henchman. Princess Audrey can claim she lost her boyfriend and position to the daughter of the woman who tried to kill her parents, '''but she cant claim anybody took away her future. Nobody can take a future. Future is created, not given/stolen'''. A teenage gifted princess like her have her whole life before her. She could be many thing and acquire friends and respect in any job she'll choose. Even her ex and royal rival would respect her as an advisor/noble/everything. She was awesomeness with chromosome XX and ended up redeeming herself, but none of her pre-redemption choices have my sympathy. Henry Wu used to be sympathetic, but when you consider her work with Hoskins and Mills, let alone being the bigger bad of JP universe and the indirect responsible to every death except for Hammond and Lockwood, the fate of his novel version is what his cinematic version deserves.