Thread:Zambaquous/@comment-26884760-20180331231609/@comment-1705775-20180402225914

Zam, stop trying to get Enma deleted over your own bias - we have Punisher, Judge Dredd and so on in this wiki AND on heroes wiki.. Enma is no exception.. you feel he isn't a villain? let me tell you something..

torture is never a heroic deed and no, he is NOT an anti-hero, he is an anti-villain and he comes from a faith where EVERYONE can and will face extreme torture as part of learning.. not every soul Enma faces is "deserving" of such punishment.. he does care for people and does his best not to inflict unnessary pain but he also does stuff that is far and beyond just teaching people a lesson.

he'll rip out tongues for lying, allows his Oni to club any souls who are too weak to climb a mountain in order to reach the 1st stage of being judged and worse.. death is not pretty for these people.. it can be eased by 1) a good life and 2) living relatives offering prayers and dedication - even then it is not easy.

since we have Punisher, whose enemies well and truly deserve everything he gives them, plus Dredd (who is more heroic now but started as a fascist) Enma stays.. Enma will also have a place on Heroes Wiki, just like these two.

someone who goes around torturing and exterminating evil is still a very valid character on this wiki, you can't say "not a villain", regardless of your personal belief the facts are simple - going around torturing souls, even those "deserving it", is a villainous role.

that's why we have Anti-Villain, Evil vs Evil, Lawful neutral and so on..

ultimate goals don't have to be villainous either btw.. Punisher's ultimate goal is "a world without crime" - he does so via killing and torturing anyone he sees as a criminal.. and so on.

Enma's not got souls in his custody btw, he's seen as a judge of Hell but that's inaccurate as he's actually one of 13 Judges you face BEFORE being judged worthy of Heaven, Rebirth or Hell.. that means Enma deals with souls that can be redeemed.

also, we have articles on similar devil-figures such as Iblis, who is not free of God's command and does only as said God asks - which is tormenting sinners and leading people astray.. the reason they are here is because they are fearful beings, regardless of their importance in their setting (which makes them Necessary Evil).

oh.. you're also thinking more on Enma's OTHER half - who is a beloved god and very much a hero.. that's Jizō Bosats.

all in all, the character / figure can appear on BOTH wikis because his actions and his stance are polarising at the least - to some torture and so on is justified, to many others it is always villainous.. even if for a greater good.