Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-1705775-20180101161451

so, to distract myself from other things I'm going to start a debate on whether Gunner Sergeant Harman from Full Metal Jacket can count for an article - failing him should we restore the Door Gunner?

Animal Mother is a no, it would seem, due to the nature of the film itself but the Door Gunner was especially heinous - he killed woman and children willingly and had no remorse over the actions (indeed he semi-gloats over it to Joker).

Harman may be the classic nasty drill instructor and Marine training is brutal but even the man who played him (who is a real Drill Instructor) said that there were rules against physical abuse against recruits - thus Harman is technically breaking the law when he punches and slaps the recruits, he also goes too far with "Pyle" - though "Pyle" would be unfit for service Harman pushed him especially hard.. you could argue Harman was trying to help "Pyle" in his own way but he failed to see the danger signs until it was far too late.. even when "Pyle" did snap Harman did not back down, he went around it the wrong way and could of endangered the entire platoon if "Pyle" decided to rampage.. luckily Joker was more reasonable and calmed "Pyle" down enough that he gave up on a potential rampage and decided on suicide instead.

not saying Harman is evil but he is abusive even for the time period and goes too far - the Door Gunner, in my view, doesn't have any excuse other than maybe PTSD or similar. 