Thread:Jester of chaos/@comment-27729149-20150602022947/@comment-4708882-20150628113831

Well I'd forgive them if they had a very tragic past as then I can atleast forgive them unless they killed or hurt infants of any kid very young child. That being said if they had no choice like being brainwashed/possessed or the person is completely feral and relying on instincts I'd make an exception. Redemption in fiction I find easier then real life obviously. If a character stops a much more dangerous and vile character with true regret I'm likely to consider them Redeemed not because I forgive everything but they've done things in attempt to makeup for their crimes. That said if a person breaks the rule I on killing an infant it is next to impossible to be redeemed in my eyes as it is one of if not the most vile acts one can commit. To be honest the only one redemption I can recall after doing that was Snowpiercer where near the end the main protagonist says in tears that he knows what human flesh taste like and babes taste the best. The reason I consider him redeemed is the fact it actually wasn't malice he and the other were cut off of food while on a train section designed for the middle and lower class locked in that part for a month or more and he was only seventeen and forced into cannablism. Eventually a man cuts off his arm to save a baby and then others started cutting off some till eventually they got protein bars (made of cockroaches). Later the infant starts to hero worship the protagonist not knowing that he and the others killed his mom and almost him in hunger. The protagonist feeling like he was irredeemable decided to help everyone in his section for the rest of his days and ultimatly sacrifices his life to save a small child's life. For me redemption is very complicated and often ends with one dying to save another but other times it varies lesser depending on their crimes and how it's portrayed by the author of the person is portrayed as a heartless monster most of it but feels bad for only one kill it's doubtful they will achieve redemption unless later they regret more. Tragedy also can make ones redemption easier provided it's done well. The crimes one commits and reasons why can make it or break it with me to be completely honest. Yes it is doubtful their victims forgive them but I think some might if their a very kind person but most wouldn't and overall I agree with killing those the old saying "an eye for an eye" goes. If you haven't seen the movie Snowpiercer I'd recommend it as it to me gives a very good show of redemption and how hard it is in cases. Like I said it is very complicated to describe and varies on what they have to do depending on their crimes and their emotions they feel at their actions be it pride or sadness and remorse.