Thread:LucidPigeons/@comment-6489422-20150725153720/@comment-6489422-20150725160449

We're still understaffed compared to TVT or here, y'know. We'll be trying to clean things up soon. I'm sorry, I had to laugh at the whole "necessary for keeping order" bit - it even sounds draconian. There's such a thing as taking the keeping of order too far, especially on a wiki created specifically to be "a buttload more informal than Wikipedia", which is now one of the most laughable lies online. Abuse and misuse of tropes, definitions, and policies isn't good, but neither is taking everything out of tropers' hands so that the administration dictates everything they can say or do, to the point of silencing subjectivity, opinion, and free speech - that's exactly what TVT  has become. TVT may be a wiki, but it was created as a wiki for fiction geeks, not for stuffy, artsy people and wannabe writers or critics. The ideal of ATT is to be what TVT was meant to be, even if the layout on either of it's sites (Orain or Wikia) still needs a lot more work.

I can't determine how legit this is or not but it seems to be legit, so look HERE. And I agree that CM used to be an abhorent mess of a trope, and ATT has tried to NOT go so far as to go back to that - in the discussion pages for all CM subpages, particular examples are restricted from being included. The likes of Discord, Mr. Krabs, and Peter Griffin aren't ever getting on. I do like the idea of the cleanup effort and appreciate the progress it's made, but like all good ideas on that wiki, I just feel it went down a bad direction with how anal and abritary it became, particularly with criteria that is unfairly stated nowhere on the main trope page or in it's definition, so no one would have any idea that such restrictions or qualifications existed unless they went to the cleanup thread. (The "baseline heinousness" one, I feel, is particularly asinine.) From the look of things, I think TVT has finally come to the point where the trope has finally been fixed up and freed from the rampant abuse. What more is to be done now?

I hope we can. I don't mean to be argumentive - I'm just trying to state my stance and get my sincere beliefs across. Again, didn't mean anything personal against you or any other person here.