Thread:Jester of chaos/@comment-31330278-20190813233236/@comment-31330278-20200111234143

1. Here's a PE proposal of Patti O'Connor, possibly the ancestor of Jill, and therefore have traits of Dante and Death:

https://villains.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Panzysoldat/PE_Proposal_-_Patti_O%27Connor

The proposer is a pen-mate of mine, and he got only one vote so far. Also, as a horror enthusiastic, I would like to hear your angle about Patti.

2. Sometimes it's better. Meeting poisonous people in real-life might be confusing and too emotionally overbearing to understand the truth. My brother, for example, is seen by my mother as better than he really is. He's tragic and brainwashed and all, but i'm pretty sure that if he was a stranger, my mother would see him the way he is. In hindsight, I had moments of being like that as well, such as needing more than one hint to realize Charlize is a psychopath. Her first sign of bad behavior was saying "I gon kill you!" (the error is in the source material) after I wished her the best morning possible. Threatening my life for a petty reason is one thing, but the least she could do was using the right grammar. I forgave her because she apologized. I hope to never being that naïve ever again, and i'm glad I got away from her in time. I recall you used to date a female Dodgson who confused you and dehumanized you. Was her behavior and situation similar to what i'm describing in this topic?

3. The specific version I mentioned is the live-action one. In the live-action version, Lady talked to the rat a couple of time, which indicate it wasn't the first time he tried to break into the house and kill the baby. What we do know for sure is that in both versions, the rat entered the house specifically to kill the baby, which makes it hard to see him as amoral. With that said, I do appreciate your concern and alerting me about the need to expand Herman's personality in case of this proposal. Another interesting thing I realized about Herman is that he's a foil to Tramp. Both belong to medium-to-low socio-economic class, but Tramp took it to working in 7 jobs (being a guard dog in the Italian restaurant, being a companion to kids in Austrian and Irish families and so on), and Herman took it to being the kind of people who kill children to get even with the rich people who allegedly responsible to their misery. Tramp is a canine Tiana and Herman is a rodent Facilier. Will this symbolism be handy in the possible proposal? And if you had to guess, would you say that Herman had the same motive in both of his versions, or that his PE version had a different motive than his cartoon version?

4. Here's an idea of my own that I would like to discuss:

I'm in episode 26. This episode is both about the plan to defeat Panda for good (right now, a mixture of all of your three ideas is the probable outcome) and about Muller's decision to get even with "Lions Of Justice" after leaving him and his people in action. Not sure how do write Muller's arc, but the main point of concluding the ark is him talking to LOJ's new sleazy and dog-hater leader. The new leader is called Jacques, and is more similar to Weiss's father and the drunk god than I intended. The conversation will go something similar to this:

Muller: "My condolement for Simon (the former leader, which was also Grey's father). I'm grief stricken for his death, and also for the death of what I wrongly assumed to be mutual trust".

Jacques: "My time is short and my trigger finger is itchy, so make it snappy".

Muller: "We had an agreement. The Al-D agreement, just like your brothers from the northern wall made with the prime minister. We settled about safety in exchange for salvation. You had your salvation. Where is our safety?".

Jacques: "You must be confused. I'm not working for you".

Muller: "It's not "working for us". It's called being an ally".

Jacques: "''Prime minister Alec Dane is an ally. You're just a convenient partner who just made himself inconvenient. One... Three!".

Jacques drive Muller away by shooting his shoulder. It's no warning shot. Jacques shot to kill, and had a squad of snipers to do the same.

The complicated part about Muller's arc is getting him inside the city and show that Muller is more desperate and sad than stupid.

5. That's my direction. General Tiger will be adored by many even after his death, and exploding himself and helping brining down Maureen's decadent empire will be just one reason. It won't make him a grey character, right? Hope not.