Thread:Jester of chaos/@comment-31330278-20190813233236/@comment-31330278-20191217112828

BOT: Here's the proposal of Simon Legree, a racist coward who abuse his slaves both physically and sexually:

https://villains.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Macaco99/PE_PROPOSAL:_Simon_Legree

He was a horrible man even in these dark days' standard. He could work as a horror/holocaust villain like nothing. People like him are part of the reason Khelshot became what he is.

1. One villain who definitely fits to your hypothesis is Vernon from TWD video game's season 1. He could fit well in "Hazbin Hotel" universe, serving as a tragic villain that will be defined by Charlie as "hypocrite as fuck". Before lecturing Lee about raising his own daughter figure while planning to steal the boat from him and his friends, he was a doctor and the devoted leader of a cancer survivors group who went literally underground because of Crawford's draconian laws. I know he's tragic and might be MIG. Not sure about the latter. But he's a man who lecture someone about his morals and call him an unfitting father figure while planning to steal his car. I could sympathize him even if he stole the boat (or car, in less apocalyptic settings). Lecturing me could be fine too, especially in bad options game (lying to him, forgiving Lilly after she killed Carley/Doug and so on). My problem with this guy is that he did both at the same time. Alfred went bad and stole things from people (I assume i'm not the only man whom he stole from), but at least he can claim he never lectured me ("if I told you what I think about your mother, you'd never talk with me again" isn't lecturing. Just being a selfish idiot on his side. He dropped it after I told to shut it, because he doesn't know what she's been through). Not all preachy people are lying. Vernon rubs me the wrong way because he's a hypocrite. I can be nice to him all the way, and he'll still take my car behind my back. His former friends are talking about him taking the boat with more than one shred of disapprovement. "He was after the boat the whole time" says nothing good about one's personality. He's listed under "faux affably evil" for a reason. I don't know if he's missing in goodness or a truly bad man, but either way, his hypocrisy makes it hard for me to sympathize him. Which side would you put him? And do you agree with the statement that while he's far less meanspirited than most villains in his universe, he still shouldn't go anywhere near our future possible daughters?

2. Remember my JP3 idea for a reboot? So the human antagonist can be based on Mannoroth. The man will be called Manfred Roth, and just like his demonic counterpart, Manfred will be a scary and corrupting man. He can work either as Billy Brennan's secret boss, the man who abducted Eric to extort his parents (he chose the wrong targets, because they aren't as rich as he think, but later scenes indicates he doesn't care about the money) or an Ingen scientist who came up with the idea of developing Spino-Rex. What do you say? And if you were a JP fan, which option do you think the other fans will choose? The second question is important because I found out i'm not as hardcore as I thought.

3. "Gotham" did a really good job with the Valeska twins as the Jokers too. For some reasons, the Valeska twins and Crane are the only "Gotham" I liked. The others weren't as good as some other adaptations. Not just Barbara Gordon. Most of them. Would you say most of the villains in "Gotham" and objectively mal-written, or it's just that the Valeskas and Crane are seriously overshadowing?

4. When you picture the CEO and the shaman, do you see them more fitting as:

A. The CEO is like Aedelas Blackmoore and the shaman is like Gul'dan.

B. The CEO is like Eli Mills and the shaman is like Colonel McCullough.

C. The CEO is like Guy Gisborne and the shaman is like an older version of "Robin Hood 2019" Will Scarlet.

D. The CEO is like Milton and the shaman is like an older Masterface.