Board Thread:Clean up Concerns/@comment-15895329-20171029005512/@comment-3552750-20171109183120

Grizzhly wrote: RedArcher wrote:

Inferno Pendragon wrote: maybe but please explain how skinning people alive can be excused? it crosses a moral event horizon.. we aren't saying criminals are right or that they don't (in some cases) deserve what they get but in most fiction (especially superhero-based) torture and murder is a firm "no-no".. it's what separated Batman from Two-Face and the like.

Punisher types blur the line even further but in most cases Punisher is not (despite his popularity) a "good guy" at all, he's like Dexter - a serial-killer (perhaps one we can sympathise with but still a serial killer).

I'm an outsider as I have not followed Arrow but I'm just going by the general rule that torturing people and cold-blooded murder is waaaaay beyond acceptable vigilanteism and verges on terrorism, regardless of reasons.. (heck look at Mister Freeze, he has VERY good reasons for what he did, he's still a villain because no matter how tragic he was or how vile his enemies were he simply went too far in vengeance). I'm not saying murder is acceptable, I'm against it too, course when it comes to some villains I often consider breaking that rule but that's beside the point. Right now Oliver's doing his best to make up for all that, he's far from the person he was when the series started and he's willing to put his life on the line to save his friends and family. That makes him a hero and not a villain, don't you think? Well, that is why the page is focussing on the villainous parts of his biography. No doubt that he is a hero but he did commit these actions. Maybe, but it wasn't without good reason and he's done more good than bad, even if he can be a jerk a times. But like I said, I just don't like something that's practically saying that creeps like Chase and Sharpe are right about him, thinking that makes my blood boil since I hate them both with a passion.