Talk:Judge Claude Frollo

I really don't think he is a complete monster. Yes he's very evil, but he started out as more of an anti-villain; he thought what he was doing was good. I think he should be taken off that category.--Snakewhip 01:38, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

he's arguably a tragic villain since he is obsessed with a love he can never have (a bit like Quasimodo - only obviously he deals with his feelings in a FAR more destructive manner) - it could be argued if it was not for his uncontrollable xenophobia towards Gypsies and his mindset that everyone is Damned (including himself) he would not really be a villain at all.. he is a man who was geniunely terrified of losing his immortal soul to imagined evils in the world (ironically losing it in the process) - he is also insane by the end of the movie and although insane people can be "evil" they are still technically tragic villains as once one is insane one has no control over one's actions.. 92.1.164.97 01:54, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

you both misunderstand the point of a "Complete Monster" - Frollo may be tragic but he's a religious fanatic.. as long as he exists no one in his setting is safe and by the end of the movie he is almost universally hated by everyone: even the audience will find it hard to sympathise with Frollo after what he does, few characters are born evil and even fewer commit evil out of a desire to do evil.. some of the most destructive and loathsome acts in history are committed by men and women who seek to do good: if they cross a certain boundary they become a "Complete Monster": Frollo crossed this line when he basically called on genocide (persecution of Gypsies), killed a mother on the doorsteps of Notre Dame (sacrilege), attempted to drown Quasimodo and so forth.. although he was insane he was of sound enough mind to remain in power and was capable of utilizing his position in a manipulative manner (such as the torture scene - rare in Disney): he is also driven mainly by lust, using his religion as a way to try and justify (to himself) acts that are without justification.. he also damned his soul at the end of the movie (or it is heavily implied) - if you looked at Frollo's final scene he is a demonic monster.. totally devoid of humanity.. tragic? maybe.. a monster? most definitely Queen Misery 00:42, January 23, 2011 (UTC)

OK personally I beleive he is evil. No one can deny that fact. BUT he is trying in his own twisted ugly way to "purify the world"CartoonBabe96 15:24, May 6, 2011 (UTC)Rayne