Thread:JoxFox2109/@comment-366087-20170101175359/@comment-366087-20170104193314

Categories which are so large as to include almost everyone are useless. When you go to the hospital, there is no box on forms to check for "Human" becaue everyone would/should check it. In other words, it is a given that people are human.

In this case, there are *VERY FEW people who are born evil. Nearly everyone who are evil were "good". But a type of "good" which is just your plain average individual who are not "Captial-G Good" much less Heroic.
 * For example, on the Disney Wiki they have lines in their character infoboxes for "Good", "Neutral", and "Evil/Bad".


 * The character Josh from Kim Possible is disputed. Many an editor wishes to mark from "Neutral" to "Good", because they only see Black or White, Good or Evil. And since Josh is the Hero's friend and former love interest, they see him as Good. But the way Disney wiki views him, "as a character he made no decision to be either Evil or Good; the matter just never came up in his narrative as to which he would choose." So he is Neutral.

On this wiki, every character is supposed to be a VILLAIN, which Villains Wiki:Rules 6.3 defines as "Wicked doing Evil" which is not the same as just being antagonistic. Antagonists are sometimes Villains, but they are not always. The bully who gives a school kid wedgies is antagonistic, but he is not necessarily Evil/Wicked. Just a Mean Bully, neither of which ALONE makes the wicked or evil (6.1 and 6.2). Sheldon Cooper is often antagonistic but he falls very short of villainy.

So characters on this wikia are Wicked/Evil. A few are born that way, but most made decisions and took actions which got them there. A percentage of those used to be heroes.

But "Hero" is not the same as characters who live good and decent "slice of life" type stories in which they are not faced with a choice of whether they will be Capital-G Good Heroes, or be Capital-E Evil.

Even professions which might be considered as "the good guys" like police officers are as a group heroic. Many of them put on a uniform and walk a beat. They may help little old ladies across the street and help lost kids find their homes and parents. But NEVER find themselves in situations where they need to step up and do something Capital-G Good Captial-H Heroic. They punch their time cards and do the same job expected of the officer next to them.

But then you have the ones which are at the forefront of the action. Or without thought place themselves repeatedly in front of innocents sheilding them from gunfire with their bodies, etc. THOSE are HEROES. They receive Awards and Commendations for doing more than their duty, they are recognized as heroes by their brethren. They are HEROES.

And sometimes, some of them, get pulled to the darkside. THAT is when Category:Heroes turned to the Dark Side applies and should be used.

Some characters' narratives in a story or franchise never gives us enough info about them to say, "they used to be heroes, but no longer".

The next phase of the category cleanup will be to go through each one and determine if it properly applies to the pages they are tagged to.

Finally, the sort of details we're talking about should be detailed within the article, not among the cloud of tags under it. We don't need to know a character is a Heroes turned to the Dark Side, we need to know what made them turn, why they turned, when, etc. As a tag, Category:Redeemed Villains tell sus nothing; we need to know why they are considered redeemed, when they were redeemed, how they were redeemed, etc.

A bunch of tags under an article will not tell us that, so put that sort of—CANON—info in the article itself.