Thread:Jester of chaos/@comment-34055410-20180620024640

Since you're one of the only admins who actually replies to his message wall, I decided to bring this up to you.

Apparently, villains cannot be both deceased and karma houdini unless they died from natural causes and were never punished in their lives. However, I recently noticed something interesting.

In Riverdale, Clifford Blossom murdered his son. Rather than facing justice for what he did, he was too cowardly and decided to kill himself. That way, no one could punish him for his actions.

And in Sherlock, Jim Moriarty always wanted to die as he viewed no value in life, so his main plan was to torture Sherlock and kill himself. At the end of season two, he literally killed himself just to taunt and annoy Sherlock, so when Moriarty died, his plan literally succeeded, and because he was dead, there was no way he could ever face justice for his actions. And being an extraordinary powerful mastermind, Moriarty was easily able to continue his legacy and act as a posthumous antagonist, which meant that being dead did not make him aptly defeated. In fact, he got what he wanted. And karma means punishment and having to get what you don't want.

So do these two count as karma houdini? 