Thread:Jester of chaos/@comment-37044330-20190918223710/@comment-37044330-20191031224337

Valkerone wrote: So you want to address policy even though we don't have any written rule that says that "unneeded" images should be deleted? Fan-art, pornographic images, deliberately offensive images used to troll or spam pages and duplicate files are the only kinds of images that have any kind of validation for being deleted or if the uploader of a file requests their own image to be deleted. There is no point or rule for deleting files after a page is set to be deleted.

And "that user got the page deleted for plagiarism, that is the pain they must take for breaking the rule"? This certainly isn't "policy" either. This stance does not help the Wiki in any way. It just annoys the userbase and adds more needless hoops to jump through. If a user uploads a lot of their own images to a page which they plagiarized from, but genuinely desire to rewrite the article in their own words after the page in question gets deleted, then why would you want to add insult to injury by deleting all of those images when the user would have still liked to use them for the article? And it's not like they could "lose" those images either, because they can grab them from their own list of contributions. If I did all of this to punish a user, I wouldn't feel like I taught them a lesson. I'd feel like I just wasted their time and my own.

Wikis aren't democracies, but they definitely aren't meant to be dictatorial over small issues like this. let us talk one matter at a time.

1. First important issue at hand: that is, immediate deletion of plagiarized pages being fair or not. That is how this whole argument between you and I started. As I gave the link of plagiarism category, it explains that the wiki rule saying plagiarized pages are subject to deletion on sight. It is the polict currently in existence. That creed was there before I joined this fandom. I am a believer of "rules are meant to be enforced" and I followed it. I did not say anything because I do not have any problem with the policy. But you do. Again, since you see that there are problems to the policy regarding plagiarized pages as too quick, too harsh and too problematic, you should address your problem to fellow admins (as the ones with problems with policies are ones who address) and have a discussion with them for change. And when changes for plagiarism are made, declare it on the fandom for all to see to make it official. We talked about this before but in the end did not do anything and went unresolved. By not doing anything it won't change anything and we will have this argument in the future. I am not overstepping boundaries, or rushing or ordering around. This is simply a suggestion to have your concern be heard and be made official. And no, changing an existent policy is never a minor thing.

2. As I said, I consider that as the price/burden users must face for plagiarizing pages. Sometimes to enforce policies effectively one has to make the repercussion as painful as possible. I admit that this I went steps further. With more than thousands of images in fandom with more than dozens upon dozens of images turning up in the fandom every day, I overlooked that when pages are brought back (by going through proper procedure of course) images in the revived page are brought back as well.