Board Thread:Fun and Games/@comment-2175012-20171205173216/@comment-3364901-20171205212915

MenInBlak wrote: I find traitorous villains quite awesome, as long as they aren't super-expected. If I'm gonna be completely honest, I didn't really expect Ernesto's betrayal, but that doesn't mean that I liked it.

I think that the best traitor-villain in recent years of Disney has been Lotso', pretty much every other traitor has been somewhat boring, including Ernesto, and therefore I think that Disney should stop using those types of villains. Otherwise, I have no idea why so many people dislike traitorous villains, it can be quite disturbing seeing your favorite character just become a straight-up villain who betrays everyone. This especially works in crime-thrillers, in my opinion.

it is the execution that is flawed, especially in Disney/Pixar.. they don't give hints or proper reasons for the traitor to appear, to the point it makes the reveal seem forced as the formerly pleasant or neutral character switches instantly to "evil mode" when there is no need.. if a character is evil a proper writer gives hints before the reveal, trying (and failing) to trick the audience isn't what good writing should be about.. you trick the characters, not the audience.

traitors only work if given a solid reason and story beyond just writers wanting a twist end.. look at Call of Duty for a traitor that makes more sense: "''Five years ago, I lost 30,000 men in the blink of an eye... and the world just f**kin' watched. Tomorrow, there will be no shortage of volunteers, no shortage of patriots. I know you understand." - ''General Shepherd (his reveal was much better because it was a part of the story, not just added on as an after-thought (as Hans was) ).