Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-2175012-20170823181810/@comment-26369723-20170905130037

Misry6 wrote: AustinDR wrote: So after that whole Syndrome debacle, I feel that a rule has to be set in order. Basically, when it comes to any villain listed in the PE category, they can be contested. There isn't anything wrong with that to a certain extent. However, if there are some cases where a villain was disqualified from being PE whether it be because they weren't heinous enough to stand out, or were heinous by their setting's standards (the baseline) but disqualified by relative heinousness (basically if what they had done in their work wasn't nasty enough), they will not be listed under PE. Now, once again, anyone is free to debate them on whether they fit the category or not. But the key point here is that new information must be used in your argument. By restating your old points, it weakens your case as your points were already debunked. For someone like Syndrome, he had been debated frequently without any new points being raised. As such, there should be no other argument in favor of Syndrome lest there is new information to support his inclusion.

As for whether a candidate gets continually debated without any new information...don't know what type of punishment to administer there. Thoughts? My suspicions are leaning towards the Admin being Pure Evil. He is sadistic, and cares about no one else other than himself. Plus, he enjoys torture, and challenging heroes for fun. He also disguised himself as Vos, Jack's old friend, to get Jesse and the others to trust him. Therefore, he definitely counts as a villain, but is he Pure Evil? Let's see. A PE villain has to commit all of these acts to qualify:

I definitely think the Admin qualifies under Pure Evil. We know little of him, so I say we wait until episode 3 at least
 * They commit acts that are atrocious by the standards of the story, and have crossed the Moral Event Horizon. Villains who have only crossed the MEH once usually do not qualify, although rare examples exist.
 * The Admin crossed the Moral Event Horizon many times. He enjoys torture, and challenging heroes. In fact, he makes these challenges so dangerous they can kill said hero (in this case, Jesse). He even disguised himself as Vos, which I said earlier.
 * They are taken seriously, causing fear, revulsion, and hatred from other characters in the story. Therefore, villains that fall under Comic Relief can never qualify.
 * The Admin was taken very seriously throughout the course of the story. He is actually a Game Changer, the complete opposite of a Comic Relief.
 * They are never presented in a positive way.
 * The Admin himself was never presented in a positive way in the game, even though he supposedly created the world.
 * They can never feel love for others. If they claim to have love for anyone, that "love" would merely be either perversion, possessiveness, or obsession.
 * This is exactly what the Admin did to Jesse, Petra, Nurm, Jack, and other people. He even pretends to be shocked when Jack's eye got hurt (determinant), but that isn't because he truly cares about him, or loves him. It's more likely obsession with manipulating his "friend".
 * They are completely beyond redemption and absolutely nothing justifies their heinous crimes.
 * Due to the horrible deeds the Admin has done, he is definitely beyond redemption. There is absolutely nothing that justifies what the Admin did due to the fact that it was for his own sadistic pleasure. The Admin said, "You obviously just don't have what it takes to really be my friend. My partner," which is likely an excuse for wanting Jesse to be on his side; it does not excuse the fact that the Admin himself attempted to kill Jesse in many ways (the Prismarine Foes, fighting dangerous monsters, and deadly traps as well).
 * They display no sense of remorse towards those who they have hurt nor do they express any empathy for others as well.
 * The Admin was never shown to be remorseful throughout the game, even after he banished Jesse and Petra/Jack into a place where "they will never see the light of day ever again", which is a dangerous prison where he sends those who he has "special plans for". Even if Jesse tries to reason with the Admin, the latter will just comment about him/her being hopeless.