Thread:Jester of chaos/@comment-33006831-20191022022255/@comment-30634893-20191022162354

Hold on a second. In the Flashpoint universe, Thomas Wayne was an excessively violent and even murderous Batman, but I can say with certainty that when he appears in the main universe he is a definite villain. After first manipulating events to break Bruce's will as Batman with Bane (manipulating Catwoman into breaking off their engagement, hiring The Beast to assassinate Nightwing--which he nearly succeeded in--blackmailing and forcing most of Batman's villains to work for them in one way or another, forcing Bruce to endure nightmares brought on by fear gas, etc) he kidnaps his son and brings him out to the desert, planning on using one of the League of Assassins' lazurus pits to revive his wife so they can be a family again. However, this ultimately doesn't work out (Bruce took Martha out of her coffin at some point during the trip in order to let her rest in peace), and so he fights Bruce and leaves him for dead, returning to Gotham to become Bane's main enforcer, abducting and defeating any villains who won't join him willingly so they can be brainwashed by Psycho-Pirate into servitude. Furthermore, he holds Alfred hostage in order to keep and of Batman's allies from intervening.

And that's just from what I've read so far. I still need to catch up, but from all of the evidence that's been presented, Flashpoint Thomas Wayne is a full villain.