Thread:LucidPigeons/@comment-6489422-20150725153720/@comment-27560932-20150725154919

I don't mean just for the Complete Monster trope at ATT, the whole wiki is burdened by dead links and pages from pre-2012 Tropes that still reeks of amateurish website design. What you consider "draconian" I consider "necessary for actually keeping some semblance of order." TV Tropes back then was an absolute mess where people could freely abuse whatever trope they wanted and say whatever they wanted without restriction- keep in mind TV Tropes is, for all its fancy dressup, essentially a wiki. I personally loathe ATT because it ignores all the standard in general which actually makes Tropes readable. You don't like it, I'm sorry, but as I've said, opinion, and I know there are as many people who agree with your opinion on that place as they do with mine.

Back on the subject of measuring the Monster trope, you cannot be sure this was intended as something uber simplistic unless you yourself saw the trope come to conception or know the person who created this trope. TV Tropes tried ATT's way; it quickly became a mess of abuse and utter gibberish where people could randomly smack on any evil villain because of a standard that was barely apparent and barely enforced. That's the sole reason why the cleanup thread was established; to prevent the rampant abuse and to codify more apparent standards as to what actually defines and dictates a Complete Monster. Once more, what you see as overly strict and draconian is actually needed to keeping order to a trope that's suffered tons of abuse in the past and has to be strictly monitored to ensure none of that abuse happens again. The thread itself is based on the opinions of several people anyways.

I completely agree on your last point about being sick of all the problems with this trope. It's just we evidently define "problems" differently. Can we please leave this on that mutual note? Absolutely nothing of what we've said to each other has been anything but fiercely and pointlessly argumentative.