Thread:LostGod2000/@comment-27729149-20150120222901/@comment-1762629-20150120230748

Right, let's see.

First, there's a little something called a "heinous standard." This is a standard in which the villains, and sometimes, even the heroes, set for the series. A villain must both reach this in-universe standard, especially compared to the other villains of the series, and the level of evil required to be a Complete Monster, as well as have no negating factors (not a single one) to qualify as a CM. Take the standards of Pokemon compared to something like Warhammer 40K. Pokemon is a light-hearted series, especially in regards to the anime, anti-villains and heroes reform, and most villainy is standard. Warhammer is a brutal, dark universe where the "heroes" are just as bad of the villains, and the worst of the worst murder billions for fun. The Iron-Masked Marauder is one of the most heinous villains in his own universe, experimenting in torture, attempted murder, and such, but only just breaches the heinous level needed to be a Complete Monster. Fabius Bile, our Warhammer example, would happily see the entire galaxy burn to sate his own desires. Iron-Mask wouldn't make a blip in the standard for Warhammer, but in his own universe, he can count because the standards are much lower.

In the examples you've given me, Disney has much lower heinous standards compared to something like Elfen Lied and GTA, but their represented villains are still heinous enough in their own regard (Frollo attempted to burn an entire city out of nothing but sexual cravings, and Scar essentially plotted to have almost his entire family murdered) to count for Complete Monster. Tomoo, while he only crosses the Moral Event Horizon once, it's much less killing a puppy and more brutally slaughtering someone's best friend to get a reaction out of them. It's true that Trevor Phillips, Fallen Hana, and the Beast are vile, but they've got things against him. You may not consider caring for others a redeeming quality, but it is- a Complete Monster cannot show any genuine sympathy for anyone but themselves, or they wouldn't be a Complete Monster. You see how that works?

Trevor Phillips, while he's no saint, still cares for others, to an extent where he actually has a human side. Extremely subdued, but present. Fallen Hana commits vile acts, but even being stuff like a necrophile... they make you a sick, sick individual, depraved, but Fallen Hana just falls short of reaching the standard for being a Monster. Over the MEH, but a single crossing of the MEH, unless it's one long bound (take Tarkin destroying a planet and Tomoo's aforementioned crossing) doesn't automatically make one a CM. The Beast is a sadist, but he's manipulating the Woodsman into feeding souls into his lantern because that's the only way he can survive- without the lantern, he dies, and it just so happens that the Woodsman is essentially keeping his soul hostage. He's cruel, but his actions end up limited on-screen for what's keeping him alive. He can't count because of that.

Now, I've dissected the monsters you've given me and given a few reasons clarifying the Complete Monster trope and how to qualify. Does this answer any questions?