Thread:LucidPigeons/@comment-5754292-20150514113549/@comment-27560932-20150514220238

Firm no there, and let me explain why.

Villains in children or family-focused media are hard to qualify as Complete Monsters due to the standard they're presented in. Said villains usually can't indulge in such actions that cross over the boundary of the family friendly media they're presented in, so it's generally treated with shock when a villain truly and well goes beyond the pale in such media. Villains like Drake, Turbo, Ruber, and a whole slew of other villains may engage in villainy that perhaps slightly exceeds the boundary placed on them, but they only breach standard villainy ever barely. People tend to mistake that being in children's media makes it easier to qualify. It's the exact opposite, in fact, as you have to really stand out to count. Being a Knight of Cerebus or a slightly-worse-than average villain in a kids show, which is the villain type most often present in family-oriented TV shows and films, doesn't make you a Complete Monster. Expectations may be lower as the heinous standards in family-oriented media will invariably be lower than that of more mature pictures, but that doesn't mean generic villainy will automatically always give the villain a pass in a kid's show when said villain wouldn't count in more mature-focused shows.

Princess Ivy falls to this exact same rule. She's certainly the most evil villain in the show, but her crimes are severly downplayed due to her handicap; Sofia the First is most definitely a kid's show, and something like the intentional murder of a character is really out of the blue for that type of show. Ivy herself does not breach standard villainy; she may have crossed the MEH in a sort by exceeding the boundaries of the standard crimes usually present in the show, but she fails the standard of the absolute heinous standard. She may lack redeeming qualities, but she's in a kid's show and thus logically can't be evil enough.

Now, the examples you listed are indeed Monsters, but those are most definitely the exception rather than the norm, and the sheer level of evil for the amount of media they're presented in is truly astounding. Tirek can count because not only he is a Knight of Cerebus, he also engaged in actions that are normally taboo in something as normally light in something like G1 My Little Pony: threatened decapitation of an infant, torture and forced mutation of innocents he captured, global-scale domination plot that entailed death... That's unheard of in even the riskier G4''. ''Exact same thing with the Dark Princess, who'd rather let the universe die than risk not having something shiny. Skumm, on the other hand, was presented in a media that actively tackled more mature issues while still having a kid-friendly nature. Skumm represented the very worst of the issues they tackled with, and the show made a point that the issues they handled was not to be played around with. He was far worse than any of the other villains (the worst thing Skumm did was nearly detonate a nuke in a decidedly populated area, which is far worse than what any of the other villains have done) and he was treated seriously while doing so. The final factor to why those three count and why Ivy (and, while I'm at it, G4 Tirek) doesn't is that the nature of their crimes were explicit. The shows outright stated, without any disguise at all, these villains were the utter worst; the death involving the nature of those three villains was not glossed over, and made quite obvious given the subject matter. Ivy and G4 Tirek, on the other hand... the very worst parts of their crimes were rather vaguely implied at the very worst so they could still stay in the border of "family-friendly." The three other villains actively crossed this border, the show made it clear they did, and that is why they are Monsters.

There. Any other questions?