User:Amnestyyy/Sandbox

Categories for deletion
Note that this list is not final: any and all admins can contribute to the discussion, though which we will eventually (and hopefully) reach a consensus. Note that I have made this list with the opinion that not every franchise needs to have its own category, I suggest confining it to the important and well-known franchises. Categories in between paranthesis ( (...) ) are the categories I'm doubtful about myself.

Okay, people, seeing as the list is already getting quite long, I decided to split it up and do five letters each time. So we start with discussing A-E. Look through the list, and if you find a category you think we should not delete, it will be discussed in the section below the list. Once we all agree, the deletion spree of categories will start.

And before anyone asks: Yes, there are a lot of categories on my list:
 * "9" Movie Machines - Too little pages
 * "Madeline" Villains - Too little pages
 * 24 Villains - Too little pages
 * 31 Minutos Villains - Too little pages
 * A.I.M. Members - Too little pages
 * AVGN Villains - Too little pages
 * Aardman Villains - Why list villains by their production studio?
 * (Ace Attorney Villains) - Too little pages, but an important and well-known videogame series
 * (Acid-Users) - Do we want to list villains by their weapons? All of them?
 * Action Man Villains - Only one page
 * Actraiser Villains - Few pages
 * Adam Warlock Villains - Only two pages
 * Adopted Stubs - Do we actually use this?
 * Adventure Time villains - Too little pages
 * Afro Samurai Villains - Too little pages
 * Air Bud Villains - Too little pages / fairly unknown series
 * Akira Villains - Too little pages
 * (Aladdin Villains) - Too little pages, but very well known
 * Alice in Wonderland Villains - Too little pages
 * (Alien vs Predator Villains) - Too little pages / rather well-known
 * All Dogs Fo To Heaven Villains - Too little pages
 * Alligators and Crocodiles - .....
 * Alone In The Dark Villains - Too little pages
 * American Dragon Jake Long Villains - Too little pages
 * American McGee's Alice Villains - Most are enemies and could be deleted
 * (American Tail Villains) - Few pages, but is it really useful?
 * And then there were none villains - Too little pages
 * Angel Wars Villains - Too little pages
 * Animations - Seems rather useless
 * (Annoying Orange Villains) - Does this really need a separate category?
 * Another villains - Too little pages
 * Antichrist - Whereas it is an archetype, it also seems to be redundant as category.
 * (Aquakinetic Villains) - Again the question whether you want to list villains by their specific powers
 * Aquaman Villains - Too little pages / can be listed under DC villains
 * Arc System Works Villains - Too little pages
 * Are You Afraid Of The Dark? Villains - Too little pages
 * Arena Masters - Too little pages / seems redundant
 * Arsonists - Too little pages
 * Asian Movie Villains - Redundant.
 * Astro Boy Villains - Too little pages
 * Atomic Betty Villains - Too little pages
 * Attention-Seekers - Too little pages
 * (Austin Powers Villains) - I know this is a very well known franchise, but stil... Too little pages.
 * Authoritarians - Too little pages (This is getting standard...)
 * Babylon 5 Villains - Too little pages
 * Back to the Future Villains - Too little pages
 * Bad Dreams Villains - Too little pages
 * Bagra Army Members - Most will be deleted when cleaning up the "Very, very, very minor villains." Others can be listed under Digimon Villains
 * Balto Villains - Too little pages
 * (Banjo Kazooie Villains) - Another well known franchise...
 * Barbie Villains - Too little pages
 * Barnyard Villains - Too little pages
 * Batman Beyond villains - Batman Beyond is still Batman...
 * Battle Arena Toshinden Villains - Too little pages
 * Battle Circuit Villains - Too little pages
 * Battlefield Villains - Too little pages
 * Bayonetta Villains - Too little pages
 * Beano Villains - Too little pages
 * Bears - Just list them under animals...
 * Beatrix Potter Villains - Too little pages
 * Beavis &amp; Butthead Villains - Too little pages
 * (Beetleborgs Villains) - Not sure about this one...
 * Bigger Bads - I know what they are, but it doesn't seem useful to complement the "Big Bads" category with this....
 * Biker Mice From Mars Villains - No matter how much I loved the series, too little pages..
 * Billy Hatcher Villains - Too little pages
 * BioShock Villains - Too little pages
 * (Birds villains) - Can be put under animals as well
 * Black Lagoon Villains - Too little pages
 * Black Panther Villains - Black Panther isn't particularly well-known, so this can go under Marvel Villains.
 * Blade Villains - Too little pages
 * BlazBlue Villains - Too little pages
 * Blue Sky Villains - Ordered by studio / quite little content
 * Bobby's World Villains - Only one page
 * Booster Gold Villains - Too little pages / can be listed under DC
 * British TV Villains - Need I explain?
 * Brother of hero - Can't we limit ourselves to "Family?"
 * Brotherhood of Dada Members - Too little pages
 * Brotherhood Of Evil Mutants Members - We have a page for this brotherhood, and it can be specified in article text
 * Brotherhood of Shadows Members - Same as the one above
 * Bully Villains - Too little pages
 * Butlers - Too little pages
 * Buzz Lightyear Villains - Too little pages
 * Camp Lazlo Villains - Too little pages
 * (Canine Villains) - Could be listed under "Animals"
 * Captain Britain Villains - Too little pages
 * Captain Planet Villains - Too little pages
 * Captain Underpants villains - Too little pages
 * Care Bears Villains - Too little pages
 * Carmageddon Villains - Too little pages
 * CarnEvil Villains - Only 1 page
 * Cars Villains - Too little pages
 * Castlevania Villains - Too little pages
 * I included all the series' major villains to raise it over the minimum of entries. Has loads of bosses and monsters that could be added later but this is no longer my priority. Balthus Dire 15:48, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * Catherine Villains - I loved the game, but not enough pages
 * Centaurs - Too little pages
 * Chainsawmen - Too little pages
 * Chaos - Too little pages
 * Charlie's Angels Villains - Too little pages
 * Child's Play Villains - Too little pages
 * Child Abductor - Can go under Child-Abusers
 * Children's Show Villains - Lots of pages, but seems a clumsy way of categorizing.
 * deletion worthy if you ask me. Balthus Dire 15:48, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * Chipmunks Villains - Too little pages
 * Chowder villains - Too little pages
 * Chrono Trigger Villains - Too little pages
 * Cipher Members - Too little pages / listed under pokémon
 * City Of Heroes Villains - Rather unknown franchise / Too few pages
 * Classic Villains - Too few pages
 * Clock Tower Villains - Too few pages
 * Code Geass Villains - Too few pages
 * Coin-Tossers - Too few pages
 * Command &amp; Conquer Villains - Too few pages
 * Commercial Villains - Too few pages
 * Conan the Barbarian Villains - Too few pages
 * Conker's Bad Fur Day Villains - Too few pages
 * Constantine Villains - Too few pages
 * Crash Bandicoot Villains - Too few pages
 * Crazed Cook - Too few pages
 * Crazy Gang Members - Too few pages
 * Creeps - Not needed
 * Creepshow Villains - Too few pages
 * Creepypasta villains - Too few pages
 * Cryomancers - Though a considerable ability, does it need a seperate category?
 * Cubix: Robots For Everyone Villains - Too few pages
 * Curious George Villains - Too few pages
 * D&amp;D Villains - Too few pages
 * D.Gray -Man Villains - Too few pages
 * Dante's Inferno Villains - Another great game, but not enough pages
 * Dark Avengers members - Too few pages
 * Dark X-Men Members - Too few pages
 * Darksiders Villains - Too few pages
 * Darkspore Villains - Too few pages
 * Darkstalkers Villains - Too few pages
 * Darkwing Duck Villains - Too few pages
 * It's a fairly well-known show and I think it deserves its own category.--Snakewhip 15:56, March 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Daughter of Hero - Only 1 page
 * David Eddings Villains - Too few pages / listed by author
 * DeVAS Members - Too few pages
 * Dead Space Villains - Too few pages
 * Death Eaters - Too few pages / listed under Harry Potter Villains
 * Death General Members - See Bagra Army higher up on this list.
 * Death Machine Villains - Too few pages
 * Death Note Villains - Too few pages
 * Death to Smoochy Villains - Too few pages
 * Deep Space Nine Villains - Too few pages
 * (Defilers) - Does this really add anything?
 * Deltora Quest Villains - Too few pages
 * Wrong! There are 34 villains & 22 monsters in the Deltora Quest series. Just look it up on the Wikipedia & Deltora Quest wiki . B1bl1kal Don't cha judge me! 02:40, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Demon's Souls Villains - Too few pages
 * Demon Beast - Too few pages / unneeded
 * Despicable Me Villains - Too few pages
 * Destroy All Humans! Villains - Too few pages
 * Deva Members - See Bagra Army Members
 * Dexter's Laboratory Villains - Too few pages
 * Diablo Villains - Too few pages
 * Dick Figures villains - Too few pages
 * Die Hard villains - Too few pages
 * Dilbert Villains - Too few pages
 * Dinosaur King Villains - Too few pages
 * Dinosaur Planet Villains - Too few pages
 * Dinosaurs Villains - Too few pages
 * Dirty Harry Villains - Too few pages
 * Disasters as villains - Not sentient, all pages should be deleted
 * Discrimination - Too few pages
 * Disembodied Brains - Does this need its own category?
 * I would say no. Balthus Dire 15:48, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * I agreed. - Best regards B1bl1kal Don't cha judge me! 20:45, June 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Disney's Hercules Villains - Too few pages / Disney villains
 * Disney's Recess Villains - Too few pages / Disney Villains
 * Disney's Tarzan Villains - Too few pages / Disney Villains
 * District 9 Villains - Too few pages
 * Doctor Fate Villains - Too few pages
 * Dominatrices - Too few pages
 * Doom Villains - Too few pages
 * Doraemon Villains - Too few pages
 * Dr. Suess Villains - Too few pages
 * Dragon's Lair Villains - Too few pages
 * Dragon Age Villains - Too few pages
 * Dragon Quest Villains - Too few pages
 * Drawn to Life villains - Too few pages
 * Dream Villains - Too few pages.
 * I think the name "Dream Villains" is not scary or evil enough. I say we should come up with a different name of this category that still applies to these dream-invading evildoers & "bogeymen" if you will. - Best regards B1bl1kal Don't cha judge me! 20:45, June 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Drifters Villains - Too few pages
 * Drugs - Too few pages
 * Drunks - Too few pages
 * Ducktales villains - Too few pages
 * Duke Nukem Villains - Too few pages
 * Dumbo Villains - Too few pages
 * Dune Villains - Too few pages
 * Dungeon Keeper Villains - Too few pages
 * Dustin Hoffman-Played Villains - ....
 * Dwarf Fortress Villains - Too few pages
 * Dwarves - Too few pages
 * Dynasty Warriors Villains - Too few pages
 * Earthbound Villains - Too few pages
 * Earthworm Jim Villains - Too few pages?
 * Ecco the Dolphin villains - Too few pages
 * Ed Edd n Eddy Villains - Too few pages
 * El Chavo Villains - Too few pages
 * El Tigre Villains - Too few pages
 * Elfen Lied Villains - Too few pages
 * Elite Squad Villains - Too few pages
 * Elves - Though useful, only has 12 pages
 * Emissaries of Evil Members - Too few pages
 * Emperor Villains - Too few pages
 * Employees - Too few pages
 * Enterprise Villains - Too few pages
 * Equine - Too few pages
 * Espada Members - Should be included in the main franchise category
 * Events - Do we need this?
 * We've already have the "Villainous Events". I would've said no, but I'm still fractions. It's your discision. B1bl1kal Don't cha judge me! 02:40, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Evil Arenas - Aren't villains. They are locations.
 * Of course they're not villains. They're simply the type of Evil Hideouts that are used for fights for the excitement of the bloodthirsty crowds, and most importanly, the amusement of the villain that presides over the arena and the masses present there. B1bl1kal Don't cha judge me! 02:30, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * I for one think that "Evil Hideout is enough" Balthus Dire 11:29, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Really? What about "Evil Realms"? B1bl1kal Don't cha judge me! 17:10, April 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Harder to judge I grant you that but I still think that those would fit in "Evil Hideout" as well. I for one am for describing the realm in the article of its ruler, when and only when its worth mentioning. Balthus Dire 14:44, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Exactly. - Best regards B1bl1kal Don't cha judge me! 20:45, June 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Evil Babies - Too few pages
 * Evil Babysitter - Too few pages
 * Evil Con Carne Villains - Too few pages
 * Evil Corporations - We already have organizations, if I'm not mistaken.
 * Of cousre not. But they're simply are crooks like their individual, fellow Business Villains counparts. Plus it's about the same thing as Cults under the Evil Organization category. B1bl1kal Don't cha judge me! 02:30, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * It is true that "Cults" must be removed from "Evil Organizations", but this is more a case of redundant categories within an article's list. Balthus Dire 11:29, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * I for one, am against removing the the "Cults" category. So, I'm with Balthius Dire on only eleminating the redundant and unwanted categories . B1bl1kal Don't cha judge me! 17:10, April 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Evil Hideout - Is a hideout a villain?
 * No but it often has its own importance in the story. Balthus Dire 10:04, April 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Exactly. B1bl1kal Don't cha judge me! 17:10, April 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Evil Hosts - Too few pages
 * Evil Santa - Do we need a separate category for this archetype?
 * Execution - Don't think we need this. Just opinion though.
 * Exiles Villains - Too few pages
 * Exploitation Film Villains - Too few pages
 * Explorers - Rather small category / not particularly useful.
 * Monster (category) - We already got the "Monsters" category which ready exists.
 * For the sake of clarity, I will leave it at this for now. I will continue from this point when the discussion about the pages above has been completed.

Other things I would like to note:
 * Animal villains & Anthropomorphic villains seem to fullfill the same purpose now.
 * Artificial Intelligence and Robots seem rather alike now.
 * Do we really need to list villains by the weapon they use? (i.e. Archers, Axemen, Bludgeoners, Bombers, Boxers, Clawed Villains, etc. )
 * Do we want to keep the Gallery categories?
 * I'm doubtful about "Cartoon Villains" & "Cartoon Network Villains." Thoughts about this?

Community discussion
If you ask me about all the categories with less than 10 entries, including the categories about one book/movie and one or two sequels: well forgive me for my lack of composture but... OFF WITH THEIR HEADS !!! AND NO PITY !!!!!!

I know that some categories you mentioned (Aladdin, Ace Attorney, Banjo&Kazooie) are well beloved but with too few category but I think that we must be pragmatic before everything else. This is matter of debate though. For me "[insert series name] villains" categories must be for long running franchises, with a bare minimum of 20. (I know that there is less than 20 entries in gamebooks villains but I plan on writting four more; but I digress.) In the same way, we must stick to ONE category per franchise. As you say, Batman Beyond is still Batman. Bagramon Army is Digimon. Death Eaters and Sith are Harry Potter and Star Wars...

Now there is some categories like "Dragon Quest" that does not meet the required minimum but might, since there is many more articles to add. (I am currently working on "Dragon Quest: Dai's Quest" as you might have noticed for instance, and there is a potential article for each villain in each game.) The questions being: "When will they be written?" or even "Will they be written one day?". Do we let the benefit of the doubt?

You raised the question of the "[insert studio name] villains" category with "Blue Sky". Well I for one think that "Disney" is almost an institution more than a studio. But the other ones are debatable. (And I find "non-disney" a useless stuff-all-in.) Yet which can we leave and which can we delete? I would say once again "lets stick to a pragmatic minimum". As for "Capcom Villains" and "Nintendo Villain" that are frequently deleted and recreated, I say let's stick to the franchises.

As for "AVGN", "Guy with glasses" and "Annoying Orange" I (unintentionally) you know that if it was for me alone, I would have trashed not only the categories but every entry within long ago. (Save from the Nerd and the Critic) Since to me they are all jerks/nuisances without villainous purpose, even by internet standards. But let's take a chill pill. I would say lets go through the vote "delete/keep" that was lauched for them and never finished.

You also raised the question of subcategories. To me most "Anthropomorphic Characters" is valid and distinct from "Animal villains". They are all animals but the reverse is not true and Scar and the like are NOT anthropomorphic. To me, a subcategory is valid for the most reccurent occurences. But I think that subcategories for subcategories is most needless. Let me explain my point of view:


 * "Animal" being divided between : "birds", "reptilians", "dinosaurs", "feline", "canine", "insectoid", "arachnid" is valid. But I doubt that dividing, say "feline" between "tigers", "lions", yadda yadda, is useful. Snake is a debatable exception since its strongly villain-themed but once again I say, lets be pragmatic above all.
 * "Villains related to the hero" : We have enough "brother of hero", "maternal villains" and "father of hero" to keep them but as for the others.... And while I am at it I thinks that "siblings" "parents" and "married" have far too little relevance to be kept.
 * And so on and so forth.

"Acid Users" I do think that "villains by weapon choice" is valid but we must be strict. I think we must keep them when 1) the use of the weapon if a DEFINNING characteristic. Radcliffe and Frollo use a sword once but they don't wield it all the time. 2) the weapon is frequently used in media 3) when its not redundant. "Boxer" "Wrestler" and the like fit in "martial artists".

Well this is what I think. To sum it up, no matter the category I strongly recommand we stick to three major points (Mode parrot on) Be pragmatic above all. Hope it helps. Balthus Dire 15:24, March 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) a strict minimum
 * 2) Relevance towards villainy. (ie: Is that a reccurent aspect of villains that help define the villainous character in itself?)
 * 3) Not too much sub-categories. (Too much precision kills precision.)

One question about this is, how many pages is too little? I always figured that 8 pages is the minimum, since it fills up the pictures at the top.--Snakewhip 15:52, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

Well I for one am in favour of a strict minimum of 15 to 20 pages, which would set a limit and avoid too many categories created. But this is a matter of debate. Balthus Dire 16:50, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

Wauw Balthus Dire, you sure are someone for writing long messages! XD

Anyway, when making my list, I made a minimum of 20 pages, with certain exceptions where I figured more pages were to be written, which I could do myself (i.e. Elder Scrolls Villains can easily contain 50 pages). 8 seems to few to me. Nesty Contact me! 17:07, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

Indeed I tend to be very prolific. Truth to be told I prefer making several points in one mail but for the sake of understanding I should perhaps divide them. Anyway, that makes two in favour of a minimum of 20. Let's see what others will say. Shall we make a vote? Balthus Dire 23:55, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

We should also vote on gettin' rid of the categories that is both the misspelled & copycat duplicates of the real categories. I know, me & a few others tried so much to get rid of this pesky problem. :-/ Best regards B1bl1kal Don't cha judge me! 20:20, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

We can't erase the Evil Hideouts. That would not be totally fair. Of course they're not villains for pete sake, but they're the type of Villainous Tools that primarily serves as homes and bases of operations to all villains & monsters & all that crap. Seriously. Best regards B1bl1kal Don't cha judge me! 20:20, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think that Evil Arenas should be deleted. There's no exact problem with it. Best regards B1bl1kal Don't cha judge me! 01:13, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

CarmEvil does not have 1 villain. Best regards B1bl1kal Don't cha judge me! 21:55, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Evil Arenas does not have the set minimum of pages, nor did CarnEvil, so that one was redeleted. I will open a vote on Evil Hideouts once I get there. And stop removing entries from my list please. Nesty Contact me! 08:35, April 6, 2012 (UTC)