Thread:Jester of chaos/@comment-31330278-20190813233236/@comment-31330278-20191031230645

1A. Just stumbled upon a PE proposal for your taste. El Indio from "For A Few Dollars More". I'm not sure whether he's worse/scarier than Angel Eyes or not, but he sounds like a textbook pure evil.

https://villains.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Sppople/PE_Proposal:_El_Indio#comm-653223

He thinks a lot like McLeach, McDonald and Jones. Just like these three, and I assume Clayton as well, El Indio shouldn't be trusted with a pillow. I know he saw his partners the way McDonald and Jones see each other, but as far as you know, do you think his partners had similar ideas about him? And on the same note, what are the odds that one of Clayton's pirates had plans to waste him?

2. Now when you say it, i'll ask some of my friends on the "Scream" wiki (only one of them is active enough on the villains wiki to be allowed to vote), and then i'll decide if dropping it for as long as I can or not. But I do have a new PE candidate, which is more vile compare to his setting than Luther is. I re-watched the original "Ice Age" a couple of days ago, and I just realized that Soto is actually more vile and vicious than Captain Gutt. For starter, Gutt have many comedic moments, arguably to comic relief degree. Soto puts the word dead in dead serious. I'm not even talking about him heavying the mood. I'm talking about the fact Soto is the only completely serious villain of his franchise. Even his so called loyalty to his pack ain't much. He was very specific about killing Diego with his bare hands in case the baby won't be on his revenge altar. His technical Freudian excuse is having his pack killed by humans. It falls apart because he's a man eater for long enough to be hated and feared by the human tribe. He led his pack to the bloody hostility cycle. Their death was his fault. From here we can deduce that Soto want to kill the baby not for something his father did, but rather for something he did. The obsession of killing the baby is no better than Gutt's behavior. At least Gutt can claim he abandoned Shira to her fate and wanted to use Manny, and tried to kill him and ruin his life only after Manny refused to be his soldiers. Soto was willing to sacrifice his whole pack for killing a baby, insisted to kill the baby with his bare hands (he explicitly told Diego to bring him alive and fresh), considered killing Manny for his own sense of greatness as more important than Diego's life and led his soldiers with peer pressure and fear. Gutt led his troops under the promise to become rich. Soto led his own under the promise to kill at the exact spot he won't have use at one pack member or another. Chances are he killed some of his own soldiers somewhere before the movie even began. And there's also the resources thing. Gutt had more soldiers than Soto, plus being a bigfoot with the combined dexterity of human and orangutan, including weapons. Soto had less soldiers, just the standard almighty sabretooth cat and being limited to the mainland vs Gutt's ability to maneuver on ocean and land alike. Maybe it's just me, but Gutt's greed is a more sensible motive than Soto's wish to kill mankind as a revenge for his own direct actions. Soto is a better villain, but Gutt have a more sensible motive.

3. These are also interesting ways to make Prince John a grey character. Given the said version of our insecure prince is similar to Heather, he's very likely to get even with Gisborne. Killing someone whom Gisborne hold useful, similar to Heather when she executed Ajay to get back on Tembo for appreciating Sarah better. Robin will be happy to help, or at least sad and pissed-off enough to establish a short truce with John for the sake of hurting Gisborne. Your idea for the sheriff sounds great, and like Petyr Baelish, is very likely to appear in a sequel. Do you see John's mother in this scenario as more like Isabella Thornton, or more like Margaret Goodnight? And do you see him wishing to kill Richard, or more prone to keep him alive for the same reason Heather want Hammond to live ("I want Uncle John/my smug brother to die knowing i'm superior")?

4+1B. Does the fact Taron will be great at playing Mephisto means he could play Jack, which appears to be your favorite PL mastermind (for the record: Rumple isn't a mastermind. Just an heroic MIG working with whoever and whatever helps him)? Also, the advancement at "Friends I Don't Have" section makes me consider adding him to part 3 as Roman/Gaston. Part 2 is here in parts:

https://scream.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:ScaryMovie53/Friends_I_Dont_Have_-_a_%22Scream%22_reboot#Friends_I_don.27t_Have_-_University_Of_Lies

And when I get to part 3, which of Taron's possible roles would you say fits him better?