Thread:LucidPigeons/@comment-5754292-20150401145436/@comment-1672596-20150401154603

To elaborate on what Cenationfan1, I'm the user he's referring to. The CM trope was explicitly stated to be a YMMV (Your Mileage May Vary) trope, which is explicitly referred to as a trope that's purely subjective and opinionated. Since Wikis aren't allowed to hold opinions, that basically means the category's existence just violates wiki policy. Besides which, there are plenty of instances where the trope is just flat out broken (Volgin and The Boss doing similar things in the same game, especially nuking a large place [two in The Boss's case] yet only the former is considered [rightfully] a CM is a pretty blatant example).

As far as whether we should eliminate it outright or just rename it, I'd rather go with the "elimination" policy. The trope itself, regardless of the name, is still YMMV and thus by definition opinionated, so doing a name change won't change that fact. A Tiger can't change his stripes, after all. And even if changing the name DOES in fact change the message, there's also some other problems with the suggested names as well: There are plenty of villains who are either irredeemed or otherwise stated to be pure evil and yet AREN'T considered Complete Monsters.

For Pure Evil Villains, examples of villains who are explicitly Pure Evil yet don't even qualify as Complete Monsters include Darth Vader (George Lucas DID call him an "icon of evil"), Maleficent ("Mistress of All Evil", anyone? And keep in mind, I'm referring to the original version of the character, NOT the hatchetjob version played by Angelina Jolie), Broly (Gohan explicitly called him such), and Ursula (I think one of the Disney Villain books mentioned she actually agrees with the claim that she's pure evil).

For irredeemable villains, practically any villain who dies irredeemed would qualify as "irredeemable," even villains who are obviously not CMs despite that, like General Blue, or Gaston. Besides, there are plenty of villains who are CMs yet have a huge following of fans despite that, indicating there was SOMETHING redeemable about them to gain a following, at least out-of-universe (Kefka Palazzo, the Joker, and Albert Wesker are good examples of this, also Omega Zero to some extent).

At best, the above would have to qualify as completely separate categories (and that's even assuming that "irredeemable villains" even qualifies as a category considering that's a very broad definition) while CM goes into the garbage heap.