Thread:Jester of chaos/@comment-5754292-20150504133728/@comment-4708882-20150504140214

They are dark but they don't go beyond the villainy allowed. I can't say anything on Princess Ivy but with that version of Tirek he doesn't really go past Saturday day cartoon villainy. Yes he is dark in comparison but we don't see him kill, his MEH crossings are betraying Discord (very mild one) and draining magic (Evil but not too far). He is a demon/Satan archtype which actually doesn't hurt or help his case as it is harder to be a true CM in my opinion. He probably is the closest to a CM of the series but being outright evil makes it harder to be surprised by the evil actions. To be honest I don't really see him even as a Knight of Cerebus but he is barely a mild one at best. I find him while somewhat enjoyable he is also not very unique for a cartoon villain in goals or actions. That's my thoughts but I'm not really an expert on Complete Monsters.