Thread:Jester of chaos/@comment-37044330-20190918223710/@comment-37044330-20191031212245

Valkerone wrote: Atidanx215079 wrote:

Valkerone wrote: Atidanx215079 wrote: Could you please delete these pages:

Prometheus (Jump Force) - plagiarized

https://villains.fandom.com/wiki/File:Prometheus1.png - unneeded

https://villains.fandom.com/wiki/File:Prometheus_(Jump_Force).jpg - unneeded This right here is yet another prime case of you demanding for a plagiarized article to be deleted way too soon before any user even gets a chance to rewrite it. And asking for the images to be deleted as well is just adding more salt to the wounds because not only is "unneeded" completely vague and hardly a valid reason for deletion, but at least one of those images there were part of the Approved Evil Articles Navbox. Deleting images that exist in navboxes in turn adds the "Pages with broken file links" to every page featuring the navbox in question, which is confusing for users to figure out what's causing the problem.

And to top all of this off, you delete your messages immediately after Jester follows through with your requests as if you're trying to avoid taking responsibility for any problems that might occur from deleting pages/files/profiles (like what has happened here). Why? Is it to avoid users calling you out for hounding Jester to delete things for ridiculous reasons? It really doesn't help. 1. Way too soon? I seem to remember that in category section of plagiarism, it does explain that the plagiarized page is subject to deletion on sight. That is what the rule says so don't yell at me for following it. If the policy of plagiarism causes you problem, you should address it to the fandom and discuss it with fellow admins.

2. as for images, with more than thousands of images mixed and cluttering the fandom. Even if the plagiarized page is gone, the images remain. Who is going to take trouble of looking for them once the page is gone? That would be like trying to find neddles in a jungle. Might as well have them gone and re-insert them under new names - should the plagiarized page is permitted to be recreated of course.

3. blame users for not following through rules of fandom. They are aware of what policies of the fandom are. They should have read rules regarding plagiarism and thought twice before they made their 'pages'. My stance on this has not changed. You still continue to hound Jester over articles marked for deletion as if you want everything in order immediately regardless of the fact that the admins have a life. Plus, the more I read into threads like this, the more inclined I am to believe that you're just taking advantage of him to get whatever you want. It's not a new tactic to this Wiki and we have actively punished users who have treated admins as their yes-men in the past because they end up exploding the moment they themselves or another admin don't let things go their way.

You also seem to dismissively regard the page in question as worthless just because it's plagiarism, even though the villain is question is part of one of the biggest navboxes we have. The candidate was discussed and approved as Pure Evil so of course it would preferably need time to be rewritten. "Why not remove the page from the navbox if it is to be deleted then"? No, because removing the page from a navbox that is regularly updated every day makes it harder for deleted PE Approved articles to be kept track of and having to look for the original article's proposal is both a nightmare and a waste of time, nor would it be necessary to make another proposal when Prometheus was properly discussed.

Also, what makes you think that deleting images off of deleted pages because they are "no longer needed" is in any way productive? If a deleted article happens to get restored only for there to be broken file links littering it, that just making restoring an article way more of a hassle to deal with. Why should we waste our time looking for images to delete beyond the reasons that they are "no longer used"? Your argument that they are "no longer needed" especially falls flat when one of those images on the page was STILL being used for the Approved Evil navbox, which thus could have caused a lot of confusion as to why many pages suddenly have broken file links.

With all of that said, it takes time for some articles marked for deletion to be deleted because it is much preferable for us to evaluate them so we don't just falsely delete them. It is not your job to harass and rush admins to get on with it, nor are you in any kind of position to order us to enforce whatever draconian rule you want for us to enact because you, for some reason, want to take the moral high ground over users who plagiarize while taking advantage of another admin.

In the mean time, I don't think you're the one to blame in this situation, Jester. It's mainly Atidanx's attitude that is the issue here. hounding? Okay, now, I am getting mad.

I am actually addressing issue at hand to him because he is an admin just like you on an equal footing. You, instead of adressing your issue with the current policy of the fandom for discussion, are yelling at me for simply following the policy which had been set way before I came to the fandom. And no, I am not taking advantage of him. We do this under consent. I take that Jester saw this fandom in very much need of some big clean-ups as much as I had. It would be strictly up to Jester to decide. If Jester thought I would be taking advantage of him then I would not be here to write this right now. I am absolutely grateful to him for taking his time to heed my reports. I wouldn't be asking to Jester if I could delete these messes by myself all right?

I disagree. If a page is properly restored (by going through proper procedure, of course) and has dead links of pics, then again it is up to the user who requested that page to be brought back to refill the page with images in which they see fit. It is not up to anyone else to refill lost images. That is up to users who requested the page be brought back. Especially if that user got the page deleted for plagiarism, that is the pain they must take for breaking the rule. You do understand what I am saying, right?

your last sentence, yes I am sure some pages got unjustly deleted because I found out that other sites copy from us as well. But I fully trust Jester in his judgment. Again, I am not rushing anyone. Every reports I submitted to Jester was granted at Jester's choice of time and convienience. And let us something be clear here: I cannot order around anyone. I can only report and submit to admins, praying that they would have a time and be generous enough to grant my report.