User blog:Saffronpanther/Are They Villains?

Yeah, Saffronpanther here. I've contributed over a 100 articles to this fine Wiki but for a while have debated over particular characters as to whether or not they would count as "villains"/"protagonist villains" for this particular site.

1. Sam & Max of Steve Purcell's Sam & Max. Particularly, I ask regarding Max. In general, the two are heroes due to wanting to uphold justice. However, both, especially Max, are sociopaths that get a little carried away with handling perps and even abusing each other. I'm more asking about Max due to the character's sociopathy and love of hurting people, which makes him a REALLY dark anti-hero that made me wonder if he counts as a bit of an "Evil vs. Evil"/"Villain Protagonist" situation.

2. Frank Miller's Batman, particularly the one from The Dark Knight Strikes Back and All-Star Batman & Robin. This is a Designated Hero if there ever was one, especially given the character's psychopathy demonstrated in both works. In the former, he's pretty willing to mass murder perps and allow many people to die just to ensure his plan worked out. The latter, set in the same universe, shows Batman as a sociopath that abducted Dick Grayson, age 12, to force him into being Robin (and threatening to hurt Alfred for giving the child food) while also killing and acting more like a psychopathic manchild that gets angry when Dick isn't impressed with the Batcave than a superhero. In both works, he also abused Dick Grayson/Robin with the creepy implication in ASB&R that he would have abducted Dick regardless of whether or not his parents died. His treatment of Grayson-turned-Joker monster in TDKSB also reveals a homophobic bent as he taunts the one he basically abused.

3. Ms. Angela Li and Ms. Janet Barch of the animated series Daria. The former is a corrupt school principal that embezzles funds to mainly further herself and her reputation all while masking it as being for the sake of the school. The latter is a violent misandrist that gets away with being incredibly sexist towards her male students and pulling crap on her male coworker Mr. DeMartino, particularly in how she tried to have him deported and beat him up over a yearbook decision, pulling a Karma Houdini the whole time. I'm more asking about Ms. Barch.

Somehow, I feel none of these count as they may only qualify as jerks at worst, but I thought I might go ahead and send this out.