Thread:Mesektet/@comment-9062114-20140604051045/@comment-3581997-20140604063755

I corrected the motto actually to that of the Stormcloaks, you altered and sanded off everything that even remotely implied racism, which would be fine if he was just fighting for his country, bu as stated a variety of policies are directed at his own country-men who are just non-nords, that is not Nationalistic,m that is racist. He does admit it, he express sorrow at dooming his countrymen to die

"And so in death, too late, I learn the truth - fed by war, so waxed the power of Alduin, World-Eater - wisdom now useless."

As for the caravans I agree actually, such details were added after the fact by other contributors but I did not wish to step on any toes removing what other contributors considered important, but just removing all of it, sanding down the sides to make Ulfric look like he is not a villain period, that is also something I have been on the watch for. You have edited less than 100 things in more than a year, perhaps I jumped the gun but I have seen similar contributors who come on edit 2 things they saw and did not like in passing on a web search and then leave the wiki forever. I admit after seeing such sections softened combind with your edit history I became suspicous of how much work you actually intended to put in and may have jumped the gun by just reverting to the previous edit, for that I am sorry.

You see part of the civil war dilemma is do you side with the racist rebels or the rights trampling soldiers, Righteous and fanatic vs Cruel but fair. So to have one played down is a really nasty cop-out I am highly on the lookout for. I tried my best not to put any personal opinions, I stated only policies, I gave a full background of what lead to certain events and ideas implanted in Uldfric, wrote up-front that he is only a villain if you side against him and posted an article on Tulius for those that side with The Stormcloaks; but to have so much of it taken out because "He's not racist" No I am not going to settle for that. Now you can take it to a admin if you like, better than getting into a flame war for us, I will gladly abide by such a ruling and look forward to bringing up exact quotes from the game. I am going to re-post the article without the emphasis on the iffy stuff and a clear indication of the quote's source but I will not keep the wishy wash stuff that tries to play down Ulfric's policies. I hope it will be acceptable, but I am not going to let the racist stuff be played down or justified since a lot of players who do side with him hand-wave such issues like they are not there.