Board Thread:Clean up Concerns/@comment-15895329-20171029005512/@comment-15895329-20171029211929

Wireblade wrote: vigilanteism is by definition hypocritical - you are punishing others for breaking the law WHILE breaking the law yourself.. so no.. it is IMPOSSIBLE for ANY vigilante NOT to be a hypocrite because they are ALWAYS hypocrites - they expect others to obey a code of conduct they themselves do not abide to.. that is hypocrisy.

and no, every hero does eventually go insane in long-running comic series - it has been depicted countless times and will continue to be depicted countless times because comics lack constant monitoring, writers come in and disregard other writers all the time.. thus heroes become villains, villains become heroes etc.. over and over.

so stop trying the tired "overgeneralization" BS you like to do, just accept others input and stop trying to act like your somehow superior, alright?

IF Arrow is going around skinning people alive then he belongs here.. it's pretty easy to see when vigilantes cross the line. Not really; it's people breaking the law to kill particular kinds of criminals (IE: murderers, serial killers, etc.) So, in effect, it would be possible to kill criminals as a vigilante without being hypocritical, because they are killing these people less because they're breaking the law, and more because they are hurting innocents. Or, to put it a different way, a matter of punishing the "guilty" and those who hurt innocents versus actively preying on innocent people (the way violent criminals so often do). Not all instances of breaking the law are equal or have the same motives. A person who say, murders a rapist because they don't like rapists is not necessarily hypocritical: they believe in punishing rapists but are not ones themselves. There isn't really any hypocrisy there.

No, not literally every one. Unless you can give a specific example of literally every last hero ever created going insane at some point or another. You can't, because not literally every hero has had it happen to them. So yes, it IS "overgeneralization", and my pointing that out is neither "tired BS" nor "acting superior"...unless you think simply agreeing with an argument I find unconvincing instead of countering it with my own is somehow the right thing to do.

I'm only going to "accept other's input" when I believe it's right. If I think the argument is wrong, I'm going to counter it. Simple as that. Why so many people here get so enraged when I refuse to be won over by their arguments and instead give my own is beyond me, but alright.

And yes, Arrow skinned someone alive. And also murdered people repeatedly, And tortured people repeatedly. That to me is no different from what Punisher has always done, and is far worse than what lesser villains on this site have done. He should fit for that reason.