Thread:Jester of chaos/@comment-29414935-20190923113331/@comment-29414935-20190930114001

That's especially the case with characters who had a tragic past but have "No Freudian Excuse". I mean I have some villains who have a tragic past but threw all positive traits away and destroy their own "innocence", and how I read it from the Pure Evil criteria they would count as Pure Evil and not as Tragic. Like with one of my most complex villains ever, the uncle Jerome from the more emotional story (I start saying their names or it will get confusing for you, you also did that with your characters). He had a tragic past with his father beaten him and his mother, but got too far and way worse than his father was, in scarring and torturing his own mother for life, even if she was the nicest person to him, and thre anger tantrums and gave her the blame for everything he does. And his other crimes later, which I told you so often, so yeah.

But I have some more villains that have a tragic past but in my view go to far with their actions. I can told you about one, that is one of my vilest, heinous and hateable villains ever. He was (just in his mentions) a former war veteran who saw horrible and disturbing things in war, that changed his view on life itself. But you never see anything of it or if it's true or he just lied, so that's also the point why he is no real "Fallen Hero". He then killed thousands of people to satisfy his own sadism and bloodlust. He killed the family (including a child) of the main protagonist, was causes him to became a vigilante, lied to the protagonist and told him he knew where the murder was and pretended to be an ally, so he forced the protagonist to do his "dirty work" and then he would tell him who the murderer of his family was. So the protagonist killed innocents for him and thought it were people who deserved it, because the murderer told him so, but in reality they were innocents. When he realised that, he stopped instantly. The war veteran (named himself Katter, real name unknown and the protagonist is Sam) then tries to destroy him psychological even more. Then he goes to Sam's female friend Rikku who suffers from deep depression. He insults her and told her she should kill herself, which she does then. Then he goes to Sam's best friend Finn and kidnaps him. He sends Sam a video in which he gruesomely tortures him and at the end, slits open his wrists and throat which lead him to bleed out a slow death. After that, Sam is completely mentally destroyed, and that's the chance for Katter to knock him out and kidnap him. After Sam wakes up, he is tied to a chair and in front of him is Katter with the corpses of Rikku and Finn hanging from the celling. Katter provokes Sam and "plays" with his friends dead bodies, in carving in them. He then tortures Sam slowly but Sam has luck and can release himself and kills Katter in a very gruesome and slow way, which he totally deserved.