Thread:Queen Misery/@comment-24859393-20160605013023/@comment-2059440-20160608145326

the only problem with Lee is he has heavy competition considering there are guys like Wolfram and Hart around.. Angel got pretty dark, even by Buffyverse standards.. always had the Buffy formula but it tackled some truly monstrous enemies (Billy comes to mind).

Lee seems like a nasty monster of the week, which may exclude him.. then again it didn't exclude Darin (whose sheer lack of any care for anyone made him stand out even in a world of soulless monsters).

I'd class Lee as a "borderline" CM, keep until proven otherwise by someone more knowledgable on the CM trope than myself.

(on this note I'm beginning to doubt if we really should class Ryan Anderson as a CM since he is clearly stated in-universe as being a humanoid abomination (having no soul).. that means, by Buffy lore, he basically *can't* do anything but be evil.. beings with no souls are basically "made of evil".. Ryan was likely born that way and since he has no ability to tell right from wrong he is less vile than people like Caleb, Darin, Lee and Billy (who have the ability to tell right from wrong but just don't care) )