Thread:Jester of chaos/@comment-32544675-20181119213534/@comment-4708882-20181119224753

Look I read the page and frankly it sounds like she willingly worked basically being forced under the mindset "If I work for them they'll leave my brother alone" and did such. What she went through is absolutely dreadful and makes her sympathetic but her helping fight the heroes, killing and torturing people is enough to count by Proxy.

We have several characters who count due to crossing lines with torturing and killing people like Punisher and Oliver Queen despite often being seen as more heroes. I doubt the others cross the bare minimum moral lines we need to have the others count, Lise sounds like one that might lack a decent choice but not every villain is doing evil for fun or petty reasons some can be quite sympathetic and relatable.