Thread:LucidPigeons/@comment-27729149-20151204153148/@comment-27560932-20160101124647

Happy New Years.

As for Kylo Ren... honestly? That's bar none the most subjective part of his character. His past isn't sympathetic, it's arguably what he's feeling now. Rey realizes that Kylo Ren is conflicted and afraid. Most will probably say Ren loses his tragedy when he murders Han. But it's his dialogue before that scene that seems open to interpretation; is he honestly begging for Han to free him before the dark side takes over for good, or is he just goading Han into a vulnerable position so he can strike him down? Even before that, why were his thoughts conflicted? Kylo Ren was apparently worried that Han was the one moral factor that was preventing him from becoming more like his grandfather (and thus, redeeming himself) so he resolved to kill him. But when you take the subjective nature of his speech to Han...

Honestly, I can see him being listed as both. I don't lean to a side determining whether or not Kylo Ren is tragic or not.