Thread:BeholderofStuff/@comment-25305244-20180301195303/@comment-25305244-20180313035334

Hey, it's been a few days but I just have a few more things to say.

I reconsidered my opinion on the dark forms and demon similarities. I looked at the dark forms category page and demon category page and realize that while they are very similar, the big difference is that the dark form is a villain that is a manifestation of darkness and evil while the demon is a malevolent spirit often from supernatural origins.

While they do have plenty similarities, I think dark forms should have its own explanation as that is for villains that are an incarnation of darkness itself. And usually a villain that is a form of darkness would not qualify as PE because of moral agency issues. I created an explanation here, if you want to add to the page:


 * Dark Forms: Normally, villains that are manifestations of darkness and evil itself cannot qualify for Pure Evil because their moral agency where the villain only know how to be evil without knowing what is right and wrong. However exceptions aside, a Dark Form could count if their moral agency is made clear, have distinct actions, motives, personality, and characteristics that makes them stand out, and meets all the criteria. For example, Yami Bakura from Yu-Gi-Oh! was a dark form but he was shown to know what was morality, was highly intelligent and perceptive of the people and world around him, had distinct motives, and was a clever master manipulator.

Also, someone on the talk page ask whether we should include the predator category as a special case. I think, it could be added to the page since the villain has to eat their prey to survive but the example the user gave on the page like Dag looks like an exception since he tortures his prey and meets all the criteria.