Thread:Jester of chaos/@comment-31330278-20180211164358/@comment-31330278-20181121230112

1. With Parker there's a wide consensus that the right thing is killing him, with tortures being legit in his case. But with other cases, it depends both on the specific person and situation and the characters around the catched killer. A prime example is Kieran Wilcox. This wiki consider him as pure evil (i can accept it only if i assume his love toward Piper was more like Bellatrix's worshiping toward Voldemort), but i personally consider him as less evil than Parker. I know it might be self-righteous to say it, but when Emma sent him to be murdered in jail vs shooting him in the head, i felt she did the wrong thing. Even her friend Audrey, a girl who suffered much more than her and was meant to be a killer before the retcon, prefered shooting Kirean on the spot. Unlike Emma, she didnt cared too much about making Kieran suffer. Just kill him. If Sidney was there instead, she would choose shooting over tormenting. And it's Sidney we're talking about. She suffered more, yet she stayed merciful consider the horrible things she went through. When she could survive and take her revenge without becoming a vicious killer herself (TV Tropes can say she became corrupted until the rapture. anyone who knows anything about Scream knows the truth. They totally misinterpetated the phrase "i guess we think alike". What she meant was "i guess now i understand how psychopaths thinking"). Emma was cruel despite not being have too. That was one of my reasons to deconstruct her in Scream Noir 2. Being more cruel than she had to is the first step toward corruption. If her opressor was Parker/Roman/Jill, i could understand her, even though Sidney would deal with it better. IMO Kieran deserved to be killed, but not in jail. On the other hand, Emma felt nothing about killing her own sister, so i was probably naive to expect her for more. Sidney had an expression of "why, you idiot? I could've loved you!" when she stabbed Roman with an icepick. Emma looked upon her dead sister's corpse and had the same expression Charlize Bridger had when i called her out. Unlike us, not to mention unlike Sidney, Emma was such a hypocrite. She shot Piper as quickly as she could, but torured Kieran. With her saidsm and being a lousy hero, i can totally see her as Parker's minion.

2. I just happen to stumble upon a villain i would be curious to see Brock (and maybe Peter) facing against. As you liked "Batman Beyond", you remember Derek Powers. The good people did the right thing with giving him an aura of a lich when he becomes Blight. In a way, he reminds me the lovechild of Riot and Hexxus. As interesting as he might've been, it's weird to think about a Batman villain who predate Joker and Ras. Where would you rank Blight in your favorite Batman villains list? And does he reminds you of Toxo, or does he reminds you more of one of Dark Seraph's villains?

3. When you say it like that, Lust does make some sense. Lust is only part of love and i always pictured the sin of lust as a man, but you actually made the good people's decision sound reasonable. I do like the sound of 2003 version better. A ruthless dictator make more sense as Pride and a neglected Child make more sense as Wrath vs the other way around. Why did the older version did the opposite of what the 2003 knew how to do? A neglected child is usually furious, not narcisistic. Unless the older version wanted to write Pride as Masterface, in a sense that while both are leaning more to other sins, they can be argued by some as pride. Unlike the older Selim Bradley, his 2003 incarnation freaked me out with how he died. I mean, being devored by a giant creepy mouth. Now that's stuff for nightmares. If Dante wasn't as well-written as Father, then we have 2 things i aint gonna like in the 2003 version. The other one is Sloth as a girl. That was another sin i see as a male. Maybe it's just me, but the only sin beside envy i can picture to myself as a woman is wrath. Pride is either way, but except for Babyface, most incarnations of pride are males for good reasons. Where's Gluttony's 2003 version? All i found in this wiki is his original semi-silly version. if i got your straight, you said the plot-wise reasons Father saw the sins as no more than Homunculi was to cement him as hate sink. Scary, but make sense, even though i wish the sins would have names. From your description of Eduard and Alphonse, i have another reason to watch FMA 2003 after my watchlist. If there was a cross-over between Inuyasha" and FMA 2003, how much would you like it from 1 to 11?

4. He used to be a villain, but later redeemed himself largely thanks to Ellie. Just for that, he earned my respect and IMO a good character to be inspired from. Of course he would refuse to leave Ellie at the hands of people who want to kill her for vaccine. No normal father figure would willingly let his child get killed for the sake of strangers. Marlene claim she want to save the world on Ellie's expense, but her case isn't remotely legit. People like doesnt rebuild the world. People like her are the reason for apocalypse. She's a true villain, unlike Joel, so it's kinda weird she doesnt appeares in this wiki. I guess Marlene is one of those people who say "we're dealing with the future of mankind and you talk about love?!" without understand that the future of mankind is love.

5. A fun trivia fact: Keith David, who played Facilier, also played Tublat. His portrayal in "Legend of Tarzan" was the exact opposite of his "Tarzan of the Apes" version. Tublat and the cinematic Kerchak replaced personalities completely. In the original novel, Kerchak was the violent one. His novel version even killed Tarzan's parents and constantly made attempts on Tarzan's life. Despite being very different from the movie, i think you'll like "Tarzan of the Apes". The gorillas in the cinematic versions were meant to symbolize slaves who got captured by Clayton and his mooks. As Kerchak was the tribe commander, maybe his novel version symbolize Shaka Zulu. Both were cruel people who provoked too many people to kill them.If Facilier would've been caught by this guy, he should be so lucky if the novel Kerchak would just chew his face off before dragging him to hell. He could do well in Xylus' story, whether as one of Toxo's soldiers or as one of Richard's rogue soldiers.