Thread:Panzysoldat/@comment-31330278-20190725214555/@comment-31617896-20190807050740

"It's a universal schtick. Many of the best conflicts in fiction were between brothers/sisters/family members overall. It's always symbolic, even in the wrong hands, and the depths of the hate/rivalry are many times unrivaled."

I know. But, it shouldn't have any place in Friday the 13th.

"If you write stories, maybe your characters have these kind of conflicts too."

I actually do write. Can't say I ever did the good vs evil family thing, though.

"He just used his PTSD as an excuse to mislead Marcus. This was one of the things I didn't liked about Marcus (a great character, but not without his flaws). He believed the lies of the man who killed his brother. It's even worse than Sidney when she was sad and frighten to see Milton get killed. His remorse is nothing. It's just a Freudian excuse. I know he wasn't sadistic, but killing a child is still a qualifying reason to be pure evil. None of the other killers had done it so far. He's no worse than the other 5 devils, but he's horrible enough. I dislike him only slightly less than I dislike Beth."

I will have to rewatch the season in order to comment on this.

"Also, your idea of working alone might make sense. The question now is what's your motive."

Probably a mix between Stu and Beth. Boredom and wanting to be remembered. Makes me boring, but I don't got a lot of people in my life that I want to kill.

"Are we sure that the fact Jamal turned on Beth and wanted to be redeemed doesn't make him trustworthy?"

Yes. If I'm a psychopath, I don't want to work with someone that might try to redeem.

"Not completely the same. The positive characters survived, but were in no shape to do too much. When were unconscious, they were usually out of action for a big portion of the showdown. With Beth, however, her unexpected toughness was just like Jamal's hint. "She would never stop". Being perfectly coherent after a massive brain damage can mean only one thing. Even Marcus knew it."

I would've never thought of that. I just assumed all the Scream characters have some sort of plot armor.

"Also, here are the moments I figured out the rest of the killers:"

Me.

Billy and Stu: Scary Movie pretty much spoiled it for me. As well as reading Ghostface's article on the Scream wiki, back when I wasn't into horror movies.

Mickey: I figured it had to be Mickey or Derek, because of the killer being strong enough to stab a knife through a bathroom stall, not to mention the body size.

Debbie: Didn't see it coming.

Roman: When Sidney found out that Milton raped her mother.

Jill: Didn't see it coming.

Charlie: Figured it had to be him or Robbie due to the cameras and them being tech nerds.

Piper: I figured it out as soon as Emma and Audrey saw the ultrascans at the hospital.

Kieran: Didn't see it coming.

Jamal: Didn't see it coming. I thought they revealed him too early for it to be him.

Beth: Didn't see it coming. Thought it was Kim or Liv.

"Of course I like Liv as the final girl, but she would also be a better killer than Beth."

How so? Her motive would be that she's just mad about her parents' divorce.

"Do you think the killer of season 4 would have a thing for Liv?"

That would certainly be a different motive. Is season 4 even confirmed, yet?

"And what do you mean by "Liv's father was trying to protect people from Liv"? I might need to see the season a third time and consult with some of my "Scream" fans pen-mates, but unless Liv is secretly a psychopath/frequently involved in criminal activities, I don't think a father would protect other people from his own daughter."

Her father thought that the divorce drove her crazy.

"This Ben Whigham you're talking about is probably in jail right now, or maybe he was killed by a psychopath just like him. Which scenario do you find more likely?"

Jail.

"Like the rest of mankind. Now, when you know these two are both overrated as hell and rapists, who's your favorite ghostface?"

Roman is and probably will be my favorite, due to his effectiveness as a killer, being the one who started the franchise, and also having one of the better motives.

"Same her. It was marvelous to put it mildly. You gotta respect Jamal for killing a more evil version of Candyman."

Jamal is the first killer to show some actual skills with a knife, like combat wise. Though, Roman's knife throw was pretty impressive.

"I believe the only characters (other than Jamal) who could take down Hook Man are Cotton, Roman, Kevin Duval and maybe Kieran."

That seems accurate. Though, Mickey might also be able to.

"Do you see Sidney taking Hook Man down?"

I think she could. Not in a straight fight, but there's a lot of places to hide in that junkyard. She might be able to trick him and sneak attack him.

"And does the fact Beth killed one of the strongest and toughest killers yet means that she could kill Hook Man as well?"

Didn't Beth sneak up behind Jamal?