Board Thread:Clean up Concerns/@comment-2175012-20171129183922/@comment-1705775-20171130171532

Koovy wrote: For me, Vukmir remains a complete monster. He literally crosses the Moral Event Horizon every times he appears on screen, he is fully aware of his monstruosity and, worst, gladly enjoys it. The fact that he came from a "torture porn" doesn't make him "less" evil to the point of not being a Pure Evil anymore. ALL villains coming from all kind of works are susceptible to fall under Pure Evil if they are nothing less than complete monsters.


 * if* they have a personality and reason beyond "I do bad stuff" - a mindless idiot who just makes you hate them because they are a sadistic twit is not a CM.. they will be to you because hate-sink characters always seem like CMs to those that hate them.. that's the purpose of a hate-sink character.. the fact is they have no motive or purpose other than to make you hate them..

CMs like Darkseid are also hated but they have *reasons* for what they do beyond just "I do bad stuff" - they may even have social / moral lessons for the audience.. a hate-sink character just exists to be a piece of filth and that's why they don't often count.

CM is a YMMV trope for a reason, one man's idea of a CM is another man's idea of a baneful cliche.. thus why the trope is fought over so much.