Thread:Jester of chaos/@comment-32544675-20181119234525/@comment-32544675-20181120002107

The other characters counted as heroes take part in or support sides that kill and torture too, if Lise counts they do as well as out of all the characters in the cast she had the least amount of choices in the whole matter, but the point is it would unreasonable to include them all as villain pages just as much as it is unreasonable to include Lise because they we're dealing with the threat of complete annihilation, I don't think any of the official labeled heroes of Schwarzesmarken including Lise should be on the villain wikia especially Lise because she was the one who had the least self agency. Why should a kidnapped tortured raped and enslaved teenage girl being labeled a villain when she consistenly took the most good choices she could that were available every step of the way. No one validly pointed out that "writers don't count her" is faulty reasoning either because its not the developers have a lot more authority on the matter. I think its best to just delete the page on her here and leave it to the normal fandom wikia as it is with the other characters.