Thread:LostGod2000/@comment-27818776-20140901142846/@comment-25030828-20140902122248

Weedle McHairybug wrote: First of all, I never said the German version redeemed him (actually, his fate was slightly closer to the original book in that version as Quasimodo played a huge role in his death). I only said the English version redeemed him.

And second of all, most CMs don't even fear punishment at all, much less divine punishment from a God who most certainly will enjoy and relish in punishing people just as much as he loves his creation. Joker most certainly didn't, neither did Kefka Palazzo (heck, when he was imprisoned by Emperor Gestahl, he just ended up bored out of his gourd of being placed in a cell), nor did Dr. Weil, or Palpatine, or Voldemort, or any of those guys. Heck, Eric Cartman didn't even consider the possibility of going to hell, so naturally he didn't fear divine punishment. 1. Like what LostGod2000 and many others have said, Frollo from the English musical version and Frollo from the Disney film are two separate entities – they are not the same character – even if the English musical was based on the Disney film. An example: Thanos from the Marvel comic books and Thanos from the Marvel movies based on the comic books are two different characters. Whatever Frollo does in the English musical is completely irrelevant to Disney Frollo.

2. Remorse is the deep 'sorrow, regret and concern expressed for the people' that you have wronged through your actions'', not the selfish fear of divine punishment. Any or all remorse he had for murdering Quasimodo's mother is negated by the fact that he was an Abusive Parent to Quasimodo – that's not genuine remorse. Then we have Hellfire, which would have counted as remorse, but he, once again, negates all remorse by blaming Esmeralda for everything, then attempting to burn her at the stake without batting an eyelid.

Frollo being labelled a Complete Monster does not mean that he's a two-dimensional villain, nor does it mean that you have to stop feeling sorry for him. Ultimately, the CM trope is a matter of mass opinion – that's the reason why there's an entire debate thread dedicated to it on TVTropes.