Board Thread:Fun and Games/@comment-2175012-20171205173216/@comment-3581997-20171205185702

That is true but it is the percentage of time one is shown over the other I have been concerned with. You can have a fully fleshed out villain without trying to make them misunderstood, or decoy villains, or extremists or any of that tripe. I will agree Frollo is a very well done version there of. He has realistic motivations but the film (I am assuming the Disney one and not the older Hunchback) never tries to make the audience feel bad or conflicted. He is the bad-guy through and through. Phantom Limb is another one, he helps the heroes rescue his girl-friend and a hero trapped with her, during the team up he conducts himself affably and is the sophisticated type, an then as soon as they are done recusing them, he shocks the hero unconscious, then simply proclaims "What? I'm a super-villain!" Fully formed, multi-dimensional, but we still have someone who is not going to make excuses or who the story is going to try to get you to feel sorry for.

It's just very patronizing when the author tries to employ the Root for the Empire trope, that has to happen naturally. "Cry audience, you cry for the sad person who is misunderstood by society and taking their justified revenge on the world.

Which is not to say Coco is bad film far from it, or Cruz doesn't work in his story. Just that we need a few more Disney Classics villains and James Bond villains and a few less manipulative pieces of garbage like Death Note or Suicide Squads.