Thread:LostGod2000/@comment-27586321-20140911212526/@comment-1762629-20140911215522

Everyone goes to the Joker for comparison, and I say everyone misses the big point. The Joker's humor is part of his charcter. He's supposed to be funny; he's an evil clown. But like any good supervillain, it's how he uses his humor. It goes hand-in-hand with his evil. He can crack a joke while brutally murdering someone, or use a cartoony nuke to kill half of Gotham City. Joker's style of humor only serves to punctuate his evil; while we still laugh, it's black comedy at best and it's sickening when you look at it. It arguably serves to make him even more evil. What person in the right mind jokes while beating someone with a crowbar? So that Joker argument/comparison will not work.

As for Percival, as far as I know, it's the same thing (I haven't seen the movie) He sings this cheerful little ditty while trying to feed a kid to crocodiles. And again, as far as I know, he wasn't that hilarious, namely when he's trying to do similar things to said kid.

As for that murder of a child, no, it doesn't usually make them Monsters, and think about it. I can name a couple-dozen villains who aren't Monsters who tried to murder or got away with murdering children, or even genocide. From Disney movies, children's cartoons, to E-Rated games, especially media with a Kid Hero, the attempted murder of a child, I hate to say this, but it's commonplace in a lot of things now. And just because Rasputin got away with the murder of one, isn't that what they were all trying to accomplish? Just because he succeeded in what all those villains were trying to do doesn't really make him any more evil. Attempted murder is just as bad as the result.

Rasputin's kinda like Maleficent; both tried to kill people because of a petty reason (Maleficent's was arguably even more petty than Rasputin's, as the latter at least felt he had been betrayed to an extent) and trying to kill Aurora was Maleficent's entire shtick. However, was she a Monster? No. Both Rasputin and Maleficent I feel did not breach the heinous standard needed to really shine past generic villainy. They're both despicable, despicable cads, to be sure, but when you think of the difference of just a MEH and a full blown Complete Monster, I feel Rasputin falls short. He doesn't really do anything else of note aside from kill a few people (aside from resurrecting himself as a lich to fulfill his curse on the now grown-up Anastasia, which I feel only makes him a Determinator) so I'm going to continue defending that category. If I remove it again, you can use this argument as reference because I feel Rasputin just falls flat of being a Complete Monster for a few reasons.

Thank you.