Thread:LucidPigeons/@comment-2175012-20160323030814/@comment-26884760-20160405051458

personally here's how I see it, if a film has a story (however silly and/or ineffective) that is beyond just "torture and kill random people" it is not torture-porn.. even insanely gory stuff like Evil Dead (original) had characters and lore beyond just the gross stuff..

stuff like Hostel, Human Centipede and the Tortured? they are made primarily to try and get to the torture / death as soon as possible and don't care about making remotely likeable / relatable characters and their villains are always 2-dimensional CM rip-offs that are designed just to be "pure evil" but lack the CM trait of actually having *some* motive (however twisted).

signs of a torture-porn versus a "gore" movie:

1) lack of real character development, main characters are always young and stupid - always portrayed as either unrealistically "nice" or utter dickbags.. their sole role in the film is to be butchered.

2) absolute disregard for any moral message at all, will never have a remotely happy ending and be so absorbing in gore it leaves most people with a sour taste as evil is never punished and good exists just to be destroyed.. the villain ALWAYS wins

3) said villain(s) have no redeeming values whatsoever, lack any real motive and exist purely to enact the often sexualized fantasies of the film writers - they are often seen as CMs but can not really count because the writers make them so utterly vile they may as well be "made of evil" since they literally exist (as stated before) to shock the audience.

4) almost always tries to go waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too far into exploitation territory, unlike true exploitation it isn't done to challenge society or norms it is just done to seem "edgey" : expect pedophilia, necrophilia, bestiality, "would kill a child" and sadomaschoism as norm.. just to make the media complain and thus gain attention (like a shock troll online)