Thread:B1bl1kal/@comment-32544675-20181120042059

Hi, sorry to bother but theres controversy over Lise's inclusion on the villain wikia.

I made the case on why Lise Hohenstein is not a villain and that she is considered by the narrative and developers as a heroic figure of the story and that her actions in their context are not villainous and that the page on her here should be deleted or at least unlocked and put up as candidate for deletion. The page that is currently written on her on the villian wikia also has vital information cut out and certain details twisted around or blatanly false which is a biased and dishonest way to go about it, the parts of the page that are true are also just lifted redundantly from the actual fandom wikia page for Lise Hohenstein here

https://muvluv.wikia.com/wiki/Lise_Hohenstein

just with parts cut out and muddled in what appears to be an attempt to make her sound like a villain on the villain wikia page when she isn't.

To add to that, looking at the Villain Specific Rules it would appear Lise belongs under the catagory of at most flawed hero not villain. Theres also parts where she is antagonistic to other protagonists but still not a villain nor a "villain by proxy" because she functions as one of the main protagonist heroes first and foremost, and a victim. A case could be made for her being an "Antagonist Hero" or "anti-hero" but again, she's not a villain of the stories' narrative. As well as having far more heroic qualities to her character like saving and keeping alive the main hero protagonist of the story through her own self-sacrifices and aids them much more than detriment.

Any more information or passages from the material itself for reference you'd like, I can provide. In removing the inaccurate and inappropriately created page for Lise Hohenstein on Villains Wiki if theres any help you can provide it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you 