Thread:Jayden Jean-Baptiste/@comment-1969141-20160206162532

Hello there.

It appears that we have a disagreement about the "Complete Monster" category on Queen Bavmorda's page. Which by the way, led the page to be locked, and not by me. Please allow me to explain why she is not.

I do agree that she is repulsive, vile, and irredeemable. However, as I did explain, this is not enough. For, yes she did want to kill Sorsha after her betrayal, thus somehow negating her affections, but 1) she wants to erase the one who betrayed her, meaning that she feels sore about it 2) The mere fact that she did care for her, however slightly proves that she is able of affection. Hence not a Complete Monster.

Read the thread on LucidPigeons ' admin page, the "complete" stands for something after all. Think of it as a matter of scale. The Complete Monster are LOWER than irredimable, there is crossing the Moral Event Horizon, and there is being so far beyond that even the other crossers are disturbed. Even the other villains are disturbed by yhe Complete Monsters. Even the heroes being able to see the best in the worst scum feel nothing but scorn towards them.

Allow me to provide some examples:

In Dragon Ball, Zarbon and Dodoria are irredimable scum, who gleefully kill and torture, even children or their minions, but even they are visibly disturbed by the destruction of planet Vegeta, while Frieza is cackling maniacally.

In Black Cat, there are the villains, casual murderers, there is Creed, egomaniacal psycho, and there is Doctor, the only one that the heroes, fully willing to sympathise with the other villains, absolutely loathe.

In Dragon Quest: Dai no Daiboken, even Vearn, who plans to obliterate the overworld, is disturbed by Kill Vearn's sadism.

In Fullmetal Alchemist, the first anime, even Envy and Pride, horrible as they are, are disturbed when Dante turns Gluttony into a mindless beast. And in the manga, Edward pities Pride, who is arguably the worst among the Homunculi, and ends up sparing him. But Father is the ONLY one whom Edward is willing to kill. Not only does he destroys him but he spends the villain's final moment telling him basically "serves you right, now your victims are at peace". One can argue that Father cares for Hohenheim, the Elrics and his "children", but this is absolutely self-serving. He values them as long as they are useful and destroys them without second thought when they are not. He did not care for Pride, who was dying for enabling his goal. And yes, he did grant power and immortality to Hohenheim, but he could not do otherwise for to be in the center of the circiel Hohenheim who was carrying his flask had to be as well.

Hope you see my point. 