Thread:LucidPigeons/@comment-27729149-20151204153148/@comment-27729149-20151216233853

The reason I don't see Joffrey as a complete monster is because from what i saw he does have some genuine love for his father and there was even a girl in the books whom he also appeared to care about, the reason I don't see Ramsay as such also is similar to Joffrey there is a woman whom he truly cares about in the books, he also appeared to be very polite to one of his family members.