Board Thread:Clean up Concerns/@comment-24859393-20160701035959

Alright. Me and AustinDR have been discussing putting the Devil SPECIFICALLY from Modern Christianity on CM (only on here, not TV Tropes). And we can keep him under Type Dependent on Version rather than make a second page. I hope I can discuss this without sounding preachy. I am trying to be as objective as possible. Personally I was fine with him being removed until Austin starting discussing him with me. Anyways, we personally don't think he really has a "made of evil" schtick given the demons were once angels who willfully turned against God (in Satan's case, envy was his reason) and he has moral agency with rebelling against God, tempting Adam and Eve as the Serpent, and putting Job's life in turmoil just to prove to God he could break him. And I don't see how "offscreen Villainy" is an issue given the Bible clearly states all of his actions.

Now i shall address the counter arguments I have read and debunk them with as much evidence as I've had:

1. Satan is not the Serpent: As I said before, this is for the modern chsristianity version, and in such version, he is.

2. There's nothing to indicate he is a fallen angel: Satan was mentioned in a conjunction with angels (Matthew 25:41: "Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels", Revelation 12:9 "And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him", Job 1:6 "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them" and Job 2:1: "Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them to present himself before the LORD"). Now if that isn't enough for you guys, Satan is referred to as a cherub in Ezekiel 28:16. The definiton of cherub, from what I looked up is: '''a winged angelic being described in biblical tradition as attending on God. It is represented in ancient Middle Eastern art as a lion or bull with eagles' wings and a human face, and regarded in traditional Christian angelology as an angel of the second highest order of the ninefold celestial hierarchy'''. And let's not forget Isaiah 14:12: "How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, you who weakened the nations!"

3. Everything he did was under God's permission. And we all know where this is going back to, Job. It is made clear that the Devil made the deal himself to spite Job. He was the one who made the bet. And unfortunately, testing one's faith doesn't require stubbing their toe and see if they still have that faith. They need serious shit to happen to them to see if they're worthy. Anyways, here's my proof: "But now suppose you take away everything he has—he will curse you to your face!" In other words, he was making a bet with him that he would fall. 