Thread:Jester of chaos/@comment-1672596-20161008195800

Fair enough, though viewing themselves as savior does tend to indicate they do think they are good (after all, "savior" doesn't exactly have evil connotations, and believing yourself to be that does imply the idea that you think you are a good person).

And to be fair, the Jedi didn't believe in morality either, especially not when Obi-Wan Kenobi essentially told Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader "only a Sith deals in Absolutes" when the latter said "if you are not with me, then you are my enemy" in Revenge of the Sith, which implies moral relativism (well, guess I'm a Sith Lord then, because I DO believe there are moral absolutes that are written in stone), not to mention the fact that the Jedi seemed to see absolutely nothing wrong with hiding from their "savior" the fact that the guy they want killed just so happened to be said guy's father, or the fact that they manipulated people's minds for reasons that weren't for the greater good (like when Obi-Wan casually used a Mind Trick on a deathstick dealer in Attack of the Clones, even when there was absolutely no apparent greater good to be done there.), and the fact that Yoda essentially told Anakin to "let go" of people, which essentially meant to callously have them die off even if you have the power to stop it (in other words, the exact same kind of thing Palpatine, Albert Wesker, and Barthandelus often did). Oh, and if the novelization is to be believed, the Jedi Council, or at least Mace Windu, specifically chose Anakin to spy on Palpatine specifically to ruin their friendship and thus ensure Anakin remained under the Jedi Council's control as Chosen One, meaning not only were they doing something that came closer to the lines of treason with their actions, but the underlying motives were extremely selfish in nature (the fact that Palpatine may have been destroying the Republic played very little, if any real role in the decision), and made them no different from Palpatine ultimately, not to mention it utterly violated the concept of "no attachments." If anything, the concept of the Force just goes to show that George Lucas himself has absolutely no fundamental understanding of morality at all, true morality that is. Then again, considering George Lucas explicitly based the Rebel Alliance on the Vietcong, COMMUNISTS, in other words, while the Empire was based on America, I guess that shouldn't be much of a surprise (and honestly, the fact that the Rebels were based on the same kind of people who tried to have us Christians outright murdered just for our even having a religion at all, let alone for our religion, was the primary reason why I'm an Empire supporter now. Until this year, heck, before I even saw Bill Whittle's Han Shot First video, I naively believed that the Rebel Alliance was derived from the American Minutemen or even the French Resistance during World War II. Lucas ruined that, so I'm forced to make an exception to my rule of never rooting for villains because of it.). 