Thread:BeholderofStuff/@comment-7455247-20151017113647/@comment-7455247-20151018150854

The Vastatosaurus were only an example, but there are countless real life animals who are portrayed as villainous killing machines in films (or other medias). I know a lot of B-movies where some real life animals (snakes, crocodiles, sharks...) constantly kill plenty of people, even when they have already eaten and should not be still hungry, or when there are other food source available, or even without eating them (in other words, they kill them just because they are evil). Clearly, that's not how hungry predators behave in real life.

Moreover, the films (and other medias) are centered around the main characters' point of view (obviously). Therefore, if someone (human or animal) want to kill them (even if it's for food), he is a villain. You can considered him/it as not evil, but it doesn't change the fact that he is still treated as a villain in the story. That's the trope "Designated Villain", and that's a subjective trope, even if you don't consider him/it as a villain, the story and the characters still consider him/it as one, and their point a view is unquestionably dominant.

By the way, most of the time in fictions the villains' henchmen (especially the mooks) are not really evil, they do what they do because they are paid and (probably) have a family to feed, but they are still considered as villains because they are enemies with the heroes. And in many fictions where the heroes are wild animals, the hunters are treated as villains, even though they also only want to kill them for food. They are "Designated Villains", but are still clearly in their place in this wiki.

If you are still not convinced, here are some excerpts of the categories who include non-sentient predators, even if they are not really evil :

- Animal Villains : Animal villains (excluding humans) are common in many settings, whether they be true animals - such as Cujo [...] : a true animal villain is not really evil, but rather guided by instinct or hunger (such as Jaws) [...] Animal villains are also predators such as foxes, bears, and snakes.

- Predator : Predators are carnivorus animals who hunt and kill prey for food. Examples of predators are bears, foxes, hyenas, lions, sharks, snakes, tigers, and even dinosaurs.

Typically, predators in real life and fiction alike act out of instinct and a need to eat rather than genuine maliciousness and thus they are almost always considered amoral.

- Amoral : These characters are amoral. That is to say they are unable to be truly judged by our concepts of right and wrong. [...] an example of an amoral villain would be [...] a predatory animal (which is guided by instinct).

- Villains by Proxy : Villains by Proxy are villains who have absolutely no wish to be and know that they are not evil but are pushed into it either by circumstance or as a result of the story's unique angle.

There are a few different forms of this that can be done.

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 * The Hungry Predator: Carnivorious animals or monsters that are only hostile out of hunger or survival instinct. They often have no true hatred or dislike for the protagonists, they simply want to eat them, like any real life wild animal views its prey. See Sabor, Sharptooth, Carnotaurus, and Barracuda.

- True Neutral : Villains whose approximate Character Alignment is "True Neutral", known as the "Undecided" or "Nature's" alignment. [...] Lastly, any character that is guided by instinct rather than deliberate wrong-doing belongs here: such as man-eaters or vicious animals / non-sentient aliens etc.

Clearly, this proves that the hungry predators have their place in this wiki (furthermore, there are thousands of pages about them).

One last thing. I understand that there are too many pages in this wiki and that some of them should be deleted, but the predators are not those that should be because they are villains and have their place here. There are plenty other pages such as the Villainous Tools, the innumerable One-Line Articles, or the (way too many) simple jerks, that should really be deleted instead.