Board Thread:Fun and Games/@comment-2175012-20171205173216/@comment-24469175-20171206063053

Wireblade wrote: hey, at least it isn't as toxic as the "villain can always redeem" cliche that is spreading in media today, it is a toxic propaganda tool at best - which ill-equips young viewers of the reality that sometimes there are people that don't *want* to be redeemed.. there are some people who are quite content to be horrible people and the "villain just needs some friends or a second chance" idea is far, far more dangerous and poisonous to both storytelling and culture than the surprise villain trope.

surprise villains are a trend that will fade, like all trends, the "let's redeem a villain" idea however can fester much longer if allowed to set hold.. and can have real life consequences. It especially disturbs me when said villain has murdered millions, destroyed planets, kept someone hostage and tortured them for a long time or other stuff similar to that. We all know Steven Universe is gonna find some convoluted way to redeem the diamonds so we might as well expect it.

Ernesto was very predictable for me and I’m getting sick of twist villains, actually mr enter himself also said something about that, heck if they’re gonna do a twist villain do they always have to be straight up evil with a good look to them?

I mean why can’t they be well intentioned extremist or morally ambiguous villains, or a villain by circumstance? I’ve seen that done very well.

Right toriyamas dragon ball series, where they redeem countless villains whether it’s warranted or not