Thread:LostGod2000/@comment-27586321-20141023194406/@comment-1762629-20141024030354

I'm opposed to all of them except Mal. Mal I don't know anything about, but he seems pretty generic from the little I've seen of him. As for the others, I'll thoroughly dissect them as I have with several others.

For Smaug, the murder of children would be an vague assumption, just how Tirek leaving the pony world in an apocalyptic wasteland after taking over is never stated or made explicit by the show itself (as far as I know, I don't watch MLP) and is also by nature speculation. Smaug destroys two cities, but that's literally all he does. Otherwise, Smaug is a neutral character, not giving a damn about anyone as long as he's left alone, and because of this is content to leave Middle-Earth alone. Compare him to figures like Sauron and Morgoth, or even Saruman. Smaug doesn't really stand out; he crossed the MEH and is by nature beyond redemption, but as I've said several times in a past, that doesn't guarantee a Monster. That's what Overseer never understood. You can also argue Smaug's greed is naturally part of a dragon's behavior. That's speculation and I don't know if that's actually canon, but refer to my earlier reason. I say we remove Smaug and tell anyone who argues otherwise (in other words, StarWizardWars) why he doesn't count.

As for Tirek, from what I've understood, he doesn't count either. Tirek engages in generic villainy, is only is heinous as the show allows (in other words, nothing more major than incapacitating ponies, not even to the point of attempted murder) and as said before, taking over the pony world doesn't mean everything's going to die. He may be the most evil villain in MLP, but I don't really think he's evil to the point of a CM. That counts for Sombra and whoever this is (I've seen her tagged with the Complete Monster category a few times) as well.

Ghetsis, hoo boy, this will take a while. I'm not really against offscreen villainy as long as the implications and direct results are there (as why Eddy's Brother kinda sticks out to me) but even with all of his on and offscreen crimes, Ghetsis still doesn't fit the bill. His psychological abuse of N was relatively mild (Darkrai did it much better) and aside from using Kyurem for attempted domination, Ghetsis doesn't stand out in any other way. Keep in mind this is a series where, surprisingly, abuse both to humans and Pokemon and genocide of billions is the norm. The worst crime that Ghetsis commits is, again, trying to freeze over Unova, which doesn't carry the mass-murdering implications Cyrus, Purple and Lysandre made explicit. Killing the player character, a teenager? (not a child by nature, as it has been officially stated the Unova characters are older than the previous player characters) A few points. It was never clear whether or not Ghetsis was actually aiming to kill the player character (where as Darkrai tried to drive the players to suicide and Lysandre tried a suicide attack in Y to kill both the Five Man Band and Team Flare) as he could've been simply trying to incapacitate him/her. And that whole "slowly freezing to death" thing is as said, speculation. Pokemon follows Harmless Freezing and that would probably apply to the character as well. Now, the heinous standard. If everything I've said convinced you he fails the standard compared to the other characters, I don't know what else to say. DocColress tried to justify this by saying Ghetsis lacked enough resources, which is complete bullcrap seeing as he was directly on par with the other villains in the first game and only had a slightly lower amount of resources in the second, having access to a super-powered legendary. Then he said that this wiki shouldn't follow the rule of the heinous standard, and I'm sorry to break it, but Ghetsis is in the same race as Darkrai, Purple Eyes, Cyrus, and Lysandre. If he fails to outshine his competitors, that means he simply fails the evil required to be a Complete Monster. He's the most wholly evil of the mainstream Pokemon villains, but he lacks the sufficient crimes and even then for genuinely unsympathetic villains (aka the two Complete Monsters recognized by TV Tropes in the games) still compete against him, and beat him. Notice how I'm not going to the anime/manga for comparisons because the anime/manga have their own versions of Ghetsis and don't share the same standards the games have. Bringing up J, Charon, or Kodai means nothing.

There.