Thread:B1bl1kal/@comment-4010415-20171127072754

Since my recent edit is all about cleaning up a large edit from August, I figured I owe a more in-depth explanation of my reasons for removing what that user had added, rather than just leaving it at saying I removed "biased fanon-ish" content "with no solid basis" in the show's canon. I realize this is a long message, and I deeply apologize for that. I just want to ensure there won't be any confusion as to why I did such a large edit that removed and changed so much information, especially since it is in response to an edit that was done months ago.

So, here's my explanation:

The user had added "Overthrow Ozpin's secret order which rules Remnant" as one of Cinder's goals and said things like "Ozpin's cabal, which secretly rules Remnant" in the article. The information presented in the show makes no implication that Ozpin's group "rules Remnant", secretly or otherwise. The leaders of the four Huntsman Academies work together and wage a secret war against Salem, yes, but there is no implication that they are able to rule the entire world together. Honestly, the closest any of them come is General Ironwood who heads Atlas Academy, leads Atlas' military, and holds two seats on the governing council of the Kingdom of Atlas, but his reach only covers the Kingdom of Atlas. He had no power in Vale until both Vale's and Atlas' councils came to a mutual agreement to put him in charge of Vale's security until the end of the Vytal Festival. It should be noted that this went against what Ozpin wanted, though he made no visible effort to put a stop to it.

The user changed the descriptor for the quote about wanting power and to be feared, having it say that she was talking about how she desires to achieve victory. Considering that the quote "I want to be strong. I want to be feared. I want to be powerful." is isolated in the episode, there is nothing to imply that she is talking about wanting victory.

They also changed the descriptor for the quote containing Cinder's speech from the Volume 3 episode "PvP" to say that it is a speech against "Ozpin's cabal". While it does make reference to Ozpin's secret group and is spoken in opposition to them, the speech itself is more so intended to increase the citizens' already high tensions, which made the Grimm invasion even worse. Grimm are attracted to negative emotions. Cinder's plot in the tournament arc of Volume 3 revolved around getting people to feel negative emotions as strongly as possible, hence framing Yang for "breaking" her defeated opponent's leg after the match and setting Pyrrha up to accidentally tear Penny apart. Changing the descriptor to say that she is making a speech against "Ozpin's cabal" sheds a biased, fanon-ish light on it in line with the user's edit calling her a "revolutionary".

In the Volume 3 section of the history, the article previously said "As the two of them prepare for battle, Cinder muses that "she" (Salem) was right about Ozpin's arrogance.", and the user added "and cruelty" to the end of that. She has never made any mention of Ozpin being cruel in the show, especially not in that episode. The line is "She was right about you. Such arrogance." And then the episode ends.

The following piece of the user's edit remained in the Personality section: "Cinder has a jaded and cynical outlook on the harsh nature of Remnant and is knowledgeable on its current state. While Cinder considers Ozpin to be arrogant and corrupt, she believes that her ends always justify the means she uses allowing her to commit seemingly any act without any form of remorse." There hasn't exactly been anything in the show that really says that Cinder has a "jaded and cynical outlook on the harsh nature of Remnant", and she has never referred to Ozpin as "corrupt". The show hasn't addressed any belief that "her ends always justify the means she uses", considering that all we know is that she is doing what Salem wants, and she has never said anything to the nature of "the ends justify the means". And honestly, that last part appears to have been added as part of an effort to paint Cinder in a less evil light as some sort of "revolutionary", as the user referred to her as in the edit.

I made an adjustment to the first paragraph of the "Fighting" section of "Powers and Abilities" to note her use of Dust in Volumes 1 and 2. She had been noted to have Dust sewn into her clothing at the time, hence the bright orange glow on both her red dress and her stealth suit. (Side note: Red Dust is fire Dust. Orange Dust's effect hasn't been clarified or confirmed, but it appears to be capable of creating lava.) The series' creator, Monty Oum, had not come up with the idea for the Maidens until after production of Volume 2 was finished, so the things she did in Volumes 1 and 2 were definitely intended to be Dust, and there's no reason to believe that changed, as her clothes glowed with Dust and it was addressed as Dust use in the Volume 2 episode "Field Trip". Honestly, it can be written off as her trying not to tip off Ozpin's group that she's the one who attacked Amber, but that's speculative.

Removed the implication that Amber performing the same blocking technique as Cinder and Ren is a result of Maiden powers, considering that... well... Ren did it, and he's obviously not a Maiden, as men cannot be Maidens. Not only that, Ren did it during exposition about Huntsmen using their Aura to protect themselves in battle.

Changed "high-pitched screaming sound" back to "high-pitched whistling sound" because, really, it's more of a whistling.

It seems that, after the user re-added it, someone forgot to re-remove the edit that listed When It Falls as one of her theme songs, when that is highly unconfirmed and it's more of a general theme about the plan that the villains executed in Volume 3. The tune for "When It Falls" even played while the episode "Battle of Beacon" showed the chaos wrought by the Grimm invasion, as well as when Ruby talks about Penny and Pyrrha's deaths in the Volume 5 episode "Necessary Sacrifice".

Changed the reason for her being considered one of the most divisive villains from "for killing the fan favorite character of Pyrrha, similar to Adam Taurus for his mutilation of Yang." back to "for her horrific actions against Beacon, alongside Adam Taurus." Once again, the user's edit appeared to have the intention of painting Cinder in a less evil light with the excuse of "Fans just hate her because she killed their favorite character." 