Talk:Yevgeny Borisovitch Volgin

Complete Monster
Look, I personally want him to stay in the Complete Monster category, considering the depraved actions he did and the evil nature he has. But the problem is, he really can't stay, no matter what you, I or even TVTropes thinks. He already has a redeemable aspect by actually caring for Raikov's well being (do you really think he would get enraged at Snake for "hurting Ivan" if he didn't care for him at all? He wouldn't. Think how Albert Wesker treated Excella Gionne, where he clearly backstabbed her), and besides which, a lot of the things The Boss did in the story, despite how the story painted it, are the exact same things Volgin did, and she's barely an anti-villain (and yes, that includes nuking Graniny Gorki and Groznyj Grad, not to mention backstabbing her own allies, actually trying to kill her own protégé quite a few times, and overall being a huge nihilist). And just because the story doesn't paint them as evil doesn't mean they aren't. Don't forget that Peace Walker painted Che Guevara in a positive manner, and he's actually about as bad as if not even worse than Volgin if you read up his history, and thus more than qualifies as a Complete Monster.

Believe me, I don't like having to remove Volgin from CM any more than you do (and personally, I'm a bit irritated with The Boss being painted as a good guy and sympathetic despite doing the same things Volgin did), but there no other option. And saying "how the story treats it" doesn't cut it. Suppose the story treats an actual saint like a complete monster and pure evil even when he never does anything actually bad (a designated villain, in other words) and the hero is treated in a positive light even when he does a lot of horrific actions and clearly has no remorse and his/her motives are not even close to being sympathetic, are you honestly going to label the villain as a complete monster just because the villain was treated as such without actually demonstrating it?

Besides, even the game makes a huge emphasis about how there's no such thing as good and evil, and that enemies are always relative, which really ruins the whole Complete Monster idea since that implies that there actually IS a standard of good and evil, which Snake Eater constantly tries to deny (The Boss's statements about how there's no such thing as an absolute enemy and everything's relative, and how right and wrong don't matter, are painted as virtues in the story), meaning including the CM category is pointless (and quite frankly, I hated that message of relativity. Were it up to me, I'd list both The Boss and Volgin as Complete Monsters precisely because their actions were no different, and Volgin's actually was treated as evil.). Weedle McHairybug (talk) 14:55, May 9, 2015 (UTC)