Thread:AustinDR/@comment-1396848-20170314165133

Hopper being a CM like DocColress sttes above me is totally up for debate. However by the films standards he fits the heinous standard fairly well,  here are a few of his actions

1. Enslaving Ants against their will to produce mass food quantities not even caring whether the colony starves to death as a result.

2. Trying to feed a young princess (Dot) alive to his vicious lieutenant Thumper simply out of sadistic pleasure

3. Murdering 3 members of his own Grasshopper Gang after they point out they do not need the food, and Hopper is doing this simply to keep the ants in line.

4. Despite promising to not hurt the Ants after his demands have been met, he walks back on his bargain and plans to kill her, in order to take over the ant colony by force.

5. After Flik tries to reason with him, he has Thumper violently beat him to a pulp, and later tries to crush the hero to death with his foot.

6. Finally this is the most controversial moment and the main argument against Hopper being a CM, He has kept a promise to his mother while she was on her deathbed not to kill his brother Molt, however although it might seem redeeming at first, I personally feel and totally agree that it is just a slight honerable trait for a certain time, like previous Admins have said before it does not really to mitagate Hopper's other actions, at the end of the film shortly before his demise he appears to get ready to break that promise and Kill Molt in a rage, having lost all sanity.

Above all Hopper is a very tough choice but if you would ask me I would say he just barely makes it. Complete Monsters can have a very slight sense of pragmatism or honor, even while being throughly vile or irredemible. I am not doing this to argue with anyone, I am just doing this to get it off my chest, as well as listen to other people an admins opinions thanks.Xmike920 (talk) 00:41, March 9, 2017 (UTC)Xmike920Xmike920 (talk) 00:41, March 9, 2017 (UTC)  