Thread:Jester of chaos/@comment-29414935-20190923113331/@comment-4708882-20191102142342

The suicide not so much as it's only encouraging it vs doing anything to make them. The ordering is indirect but arguably still count just debatable.

For the gangster boss unless it's a direct order would go under indirect. One can likely be listed unde both as it's ordering it thus not physically involved while the other they personally do it themselves.