Board Thread:Questions and Answers/@comment-26833018-20171213180333/@comment-15895329-20171215173340

Cenationfan1 wrote: I feel that part of the problem isn't just TVTropes  but most wiks seem to follow Disney's theory in there's no such thing as an unofficial villain. Basically if the character is bad or at least on the bad side they're a villain. I think we should have a disclaimer on the rules stating that while other wikis may follow this rule on Villains Wiki is is a such thing as an unofficial villain. And it should be in bold letters. That's just my suggestion. Personally, I don't really think that's the issue, and, honestly, there IS such a thing as an unofficial villain. Whether or not the audience is meant to perceive a character as a villain is immaterial; what matters is the actions and behaviors of the character that determines if they're a villain or not.

For example, I don't think Arrowverse Oliver Queen is meant to be seen as an official villain. However, his list of murders, tortures, plus skinning someone alive all combine to ensure that, whether the writers intend for him to be seen as such or not, he ultimately counts as an Anti-Villain vigilante in the vein of the Punisher.

To give another example, Rhett Butler from Gone with the Wind: the writers did not intend for audiences to see him as a villain. But between fighting for slavery and later seemingly raping his wife and then callously abandoning her, he counts as a villain, regardless of the author's intent.

So again, if you're arguing that there is no such thing as an unofficial villain, then I disagree wholesale. But if you agree with me that there IS such a thing, then good to know we're on the same page. But either way, I don't really think that's the issue at hand here.