Thread:Magma Dragoon/@comment-4627070-20140710222405/@comment-358781-20140711122341

Showbiz3271200 wrote: I never intended this discussion to turn into a political debate, but it has.

Only because you made it political.

Showbiz3271200 wrote: On the Communist category. Another user is continuingly adding the category of fascists to the communist category. I have studied political science in college, and I repeatedily told him that they aren't the same. Fasicists embrace far-right policies, and communists embrace far-left. To say they are the same is flat out false.

Let's get this straight. Fascism/Nazism and Communism have more in common than they do differences (per the Communist Manifesto and the Nazi Party platform).


 * Both are offshoots of socialism (the term Nazi is, in fact, the shortened German form of the party's official name, the National Socialist German Workers' Party).
 * Both advocate stripping of land from private owners.
 * Both support increases in taxes on citizens.
 * Both support abolition of rights of inheritance.
 * Both support confiscation of private property.
 * Both support central control of economies.
 * Both demand control of communication and the press to suppress opposing viewpoints.
 * Both demand state control of education to impose their point of view on students.
 * Both support big government with concentration of power in the hands of a few (or one).
 * Both regard adherents of one ideology as easily convertible to the other due to their similarities (as stated by Hitler and Stalin themselves).
 * Both support policies of racism and anti-Semitism.
 * Both have either supported or persecuted homosexuals, depending on who was in power and their personal beliefs.
 * Both are anti-religion (Communism embraces atheism as a philosophy; Hitler hated Christianity as much as he did Judaism and wanted to destroy both, but he deceitfully used religion as a means to mislead the German people and the world, with the intent of replacing Christianity and Judaism with a cult of personality centered on himself).
 * Both have led to the deaths of millions of people simply for opposing them and their ideologies (Nazism - 11 million dead; Communism - 100+ million dead and counting).
 * Neither allow democracy or dissent.

Showbiz3271200 wrote: He then countered that liberals don't like to admit that Hitler was left-wing and essentially said that it's embaressing to liberals that their values lead to Nazism, which lead me to believe he is simply trying to enfuse his own fringe political opinions into the category.

It happens to be the truth, and there's nothing "fringe" about it. Liberalism as practiced today embraces much of the same practices that Fascism/Nazism and Communism do (big government, control of economy, the press and education by a central government, anti-Semitism and racism, suppression of religion, free speech (when it disagrees with their held opinions), democracy and dissent, among others).

Showbiz3271200 wrote: I'd really think this wiki should be based on facts, and not opinions.

In which case, the same should apply to you.