Thread:Balthus Dire/@comment-4708882-20140625210015/@comment-1969141-20140626194035

I am due to edit Madara's and Tobi's pages since far too much time, but I cannot for now since I have too little time with my work, and no internet at home so I cannot edit for long enough. But I will edit them and modify as you said.

I am a fan of the show, it is just that I absolutely loathe the real Madara whom I regard as a bland, spotlight stealing, overpowered Villain Sue. Say what you will about Tobi's motivations and "unreveal" but he was much smarter and had more depth. Although as much as I despite Madara and agree wholeheartledly with the fact that he is no Anti-Villain whatsoever, I cannot put him into Complete Monsters. It is true that he crossed the Moral Event Horizon far too many times, and is a deluded, petty, egomaniacal control freak throwing a temper tantrum because he was not the bes; but he gives genuine praises and cares (albeit twistedly) for his family.

I know that the Complete Monsters category contain too many entries that do not correspond, like every category in this wiki, but it is meant for the absolute WORST kind of, repulsive and devoid of ALL qualities who tapdance over the MEH and kick dogs For The Evulz. And even I cannot deny that Madara has (few) qualities. I know that the "Virtuously Vile" category mentions CM with genuine respect, akin to Villainous Valor or Villain Takes an Interest on TV Tropes, but I feel that virtue cannot apply to Complete Monsters