<p>You may find this to be an odd discussion but this isn't exactly a removal proposal of the Pure Evil category. Rather, this is more so what your thoughts on Black Manta being pure evil.</p><p>
</p><p>The reason I bring up Black Manta here is because of how his story's been rewritten so many times that it's hard to exactly determine if he's pure evil or not. Before the New 52 reboot, he was given a story where he was an autistic boy that loved the sea. He was then kidnapped and tortured on a ship where he was doing forced labour. Aquaman never saved him, even though he saw him so he decided to fight for himself and ever since then, he's grown a hatred for the seas. In the New 52 reboot, he and his father were treasure hunters that explored an Atlantean kingdom in search of a pearl. His father was later killed by Aquaman because he thought Black Manta killed his father and ever since then, Black Manta has grown a strong hatred for the king of Atlantis. On the one hand, you can look at this and probably say he's a bit of a tragic character.</p><p>
</p><p>On the other hand, Black Manta has done some pretty heinous and psychopathic stuff that makes look pretty damn cruel and sadistic. He's gone out of his way to put Aquaman's life in despair. He killed his son at one point, which resulted in the separation between him and his wife then later on. He then retired and worked in a fish market at some point because he thought Aquaman died, but when he found out he was alive, he immediately murdered everyone in the market and went back on his hunt for him.</p><p>
</p><p>Overall, I'm not sure. What your thoughts? You think he's fine where he's at or he should be removed from the category?</p>
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<p>He already is, but I feel that having him under pure evil and tragic at the same time kinda contradicts things and makes the category section seem random.</p>
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<p>I don't see the problem with removing both. </p>
<p>So then you think he’s neither tragic nor pure evil? </p>
<p>Which version of him came first? The Pure Evil or the Tragic one?</p><p>If the Pure Evil came first than I would leave it like now.</p>
<p>The original version came first but he didn’t have a clear backstory until later on.</p>
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<p>I mean, in some stories, he is PE, in others, he is a tragic villain. It depends on the writers.</p>
<p>That’s true, but the article we have for him seems to focus on his New Earth (Pre-52 aka the previous mainstream storyline) and his Prime Earth (New-52 aka the reboot) storylines only.</p><p>
</p><p>In the New Earth, he didn’t have a clear origin that explained why he hated Aquaman so much until later on where they gave him the story about him being some autistic boy that Aquaman didn’t notice and all that. In Prime Earth, he was given a better story where Aquaman killed his dad because he thought Manta killed his dad. </p><p>
</p><p>But I believe both versions have done some heinous stuff that quite pushes them over the edge, especially the New Earth Black Manta.</p>
</p><p>In the New Earth, he didn’t have a clear origin that explained why he hated Aquaman so much until later on where they gave him the story about him being some autistic boy that Aquaman didn’t notice and all that. In Prime Earth, he was given a better story where Aquaman killed his dad because he thought Manta killed his dad. </p><p>
</p><p>But I believe both versions have done some heinous stuff that quite pushes them over the edge, especially the New Earth Black Manta.</p>
<p>I would say "keep" him under that category.</p>
<p>Alright so </p><p>Keep - 1</p><p>Cut - 1</p>
<p>cut</p>