You don’t have to be Pure evil to be a great villain

As much as I love him as a villain, I feel like Chameleon from KFP4 gets a lot of hate because he raised the bar for expectations. While I don't think Chameleon is as good as Jack Horner, I feel like she is great and underrated and I dislike how she gets dismissed just because she isn't as evil as Jack Horner or doesn't kill many characters. Even Jack's backstory is not fleshed out and he has a cliched goal of having all the magic in the world. So if people are fine with Jack's motivation and goal, I don't see why they shouldn't be with Chameleon's. Please don't say "Jack's feats make up for his motivation and goal". Feats and motivations are different aspects.

Chameleon is pretty generic

@Duckw545 No, she isn't. Here are my counter-arguments: -

• Her backstory makes her a dark foil to Po. Mantis, Shifu, and Viper were accepted.

• She uses external transformations for power and authority while Po embraces internal change to inspire hope and wisdom.

• Both are polar opposites as mentors and spiritual leaders.

• She makes a lot of strategic decisions.

• She challenges Po's adaptability so it makes the common criticism that Chameleon doesn't challenge Po in any way pointless.

So I don't see why she is generic but I respect your opinion.

Chameleon is pretty underrated. I also think she is better written than Kai. Yeah, I said it.

I can see where you are coming from but I prefer Kai due to his theme not his writing that tries to make him threatening but also tries to be funny at the same time.

Fair enough.

I love irredeemable fantasy villains!

Funny

Big jack Horner making his villainous entrance eating a Horner pie!

Between him and Jack & Jill from the first film, I say he's worse, mostly because he threatened the Three Bears. That alone doesn't score him very many points with me in my book.