Jerome Valeska

Mastermind:

The Joker(Comics, except those one where he is not)

The Joker (DCAU)

The Joker (Arkhamverse)

Jeremiah Valeska

Nolanverse Joker

Anarchist:

The Joker(Dark Knight Returns)

The Joker(Comics, sometimes, can be both or rather one, depend on his humor state)

The Joker(Nolanverse; mostly mastermind, but in general anarchistic)

The Joker(Batman 89; in general genius, but surprisely even more random than Ledger's Joker)

Jerome Valeska

Since when was it decided that the villains of Gotham would be changed, I.E. Oswald being labeled as one of the deuteragonists of the show instead of the main antagonist, or that Jerome and Jeremiah Valeska are the main villains now? Does that not count as antagonist fussing?

Well, I have seen that these are the most common, so I will destroy them one by one, if there are more, please let me know.

.HE TRIED TO PREVENT JEROME FROM KILLING PEOPLE.

1. He never tried to prevent Jerome from killing anyone, in fact his first instinct was to leave all those people to their fate, it wasn't until Bruce told him that maybe with his help they could kill his brother, that he decided to leave his bunker. (And yes, Jeremiah if he wanted to kill Jerome, but starve him, and how it didn't work..)

.REFUSED TO MATR A JEROME.

2. He never refused to kill Jerome, he even tried to, to distract him so he wouldn't see the police attack coming, who clearly wanted to kill him.

.HE TRIED TO FIGHT AGAINST THE RELEASE GAS.

3. He tried to fight it, because it is a natural reaction of our body to fight anything unknown that enters our system, none of it was conscious. (There's also a photo that shows Jeremiah smirking after the laughing gas, not to mention that even if the gas changed him, it's irrelevant, since in 5x12, his eyes are completely normal, his white skin almost obliterated, so much so. that I need to apply makeup to achieve a white face and painted lips, he himself decides on his own to continue with his atrocities, so that we would find ourselves with a situation similar to Batman Who Laughs.You cannot redeem someone who does not want to be redeemed .

HE APPRECIATED ECCO AND CARED ABOUT HER.

4. With the case of Ecco... How would you feel if one of the best toys you ever had, is lost (Like when Ecco was hypnotized in 4x17) or stops working? (Ace in 5x12).

Jeremiah calls her MY sweet Ecco, also MY ECO. As if she was a reflection of his will from him, or at least she was.

FOR BRUCE, HE IS SIMPLY A VICTIM OF JEROME.

5. In Bruce's case, he will always see Jerome as the victimizer, or at least to a certain extent, and that will make The Joker always win, unless Bruce realizes that he doesn't need to heal or recover his friend, but to convince him that he is wrong, that he needs to change, that he knows what is best. When Bruce is in the same boat of thought as The Joker, he can then properly confront him.

1. Ra's Al Ghul (140 IQ) Due to his centuries of experience, and his ability to see the future.

2. The Riddler: (190 IQ) Because of his intelligence, combined with his experience and outstanding knowledge of him in various fields. As well as the high level strategic mind of him.

3. The Joker: (240 IQ) Due to: His intelligence, having graduated from 2 fields of engineering at the age of 11 minimum, and 13 as a maximum, 10 years of experience in the 2 mentioned fields, high competence in chemistry, knowledge of weaponry, natural acting talent, top level tactician, edetic memory, mind games. Long term game. Learning

4. The Prophet: (200 IQ) By: his intelligence, strategic mind, knowledge of weapons, experience as a criminal, quick learner, proficiency in chemistry. Long term game, depending on the interpretation of the timeline.

5. Mr Freeze: (180 IQ) For: his intelligence, advanced knowledge in the field, experience of several years.

6. Hugo Strange: (160 IQ) By: his intelligence, his experience, knowledge in psychology, strategic mind, deception and manipulation, knowledge in surgery and bio technology.

6 Scarecrow: (180 IQ) By: his intelligence, chemistry knowledge, and his psychological knowledge at least level

medium.

8. Penguin: (150 IQ) Talent for crime, strategic mind, experience, influence, long-term game.

9. Sofia Falcone: (155 IQ) Talent for crime, social and political knowledge, manipulation, influence, and culture.

10. Theo Galavan: (130 IQ) Experience, culture, social skills, strategic mind, manipulation, long-term game.

Jerome does it in 4x18, when he does the 60's Batman beat. Or it could be unintentional.

However Jeremiah is much more subtle, although he does it several times.

In 4x20:

.Trust me, you'll want to pay attention, or the twist at the end isn't going to make sense. (Or something like that)

.Jerome, beat me? Now will be the day.

.Jerome is dead, long live me.

(In these scenes, he looks directly at the camera, and it could be said that he is addressing the viewer when saying them)

In 4x21:

That and be... (he looks at the camera) Bastly more intelligent.

In 4x22:

. When he says: I know you can be so strong. I see it. He sees it, too.

In the final scene, the camera zooms in as Jeremiah smiles, his eyes fixed on the viewer.

PROMO TRAILER:

Wishing happy Halloween.

Or when he laughed madly in a dark room.

In 5x7:

. When he says: I want to be the star of the show! LOOKING AT THE CAMERA AGAIN, WITH A DIALOGUE THAT COULD WELL BE BEING DIRECTED AT US.

. When he says: No, not Bruce. Now begins.

In 5x12:

.When he says: I feel something new, something .. beautiful.

Now, in the comics, The Joker does this too, and it's not fully explained, but I think there might be a reason behind it here:

Jerome and Jeremiah, they were close to death at one point, well, Jerome died, and Jeremiah was sprayed with the gas.

And as Ledger Joker said: In their final moments, they show who they really are: And since both Jerome and Jeremiah are halves of the Joker, or in essence, the same divided in 2, they are also super sane, and therefore capable of recognize his status as a fictional character, or rather perhaps, that the world is false.

Or, it could be a natural ability, as others have been resurrected and have not made this case.

Anyway, what do you think?

I'm an artist. I just wanna paint the town crazy

Jerome Valeska