I just watched the movie and I personally think so. Did anyone already planned on making a proposal for him?
Also, this would mark the first time that Jason Bateman played a purely evil villain, DAMN
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Yeah I think it shouldn't be treated as a "badge of honor" anyways. It doesn't matter if a villain counts as PE or not. Especially since non-PEs can be as heinous too or even more heinous. My topic here was just to ask your opinion if you think it would be possible for Homelander to shed all his redeeming qualities and become PE or not.
This complexity makes Homelander so great. He's such a great villain. It's also so amazing to me how the creators still made him somewhat likable and entertaining, even tho he's such a big asshole, being a racist, bullying, murderous, misogynistic asshole. Honestly, even tho he clearly deserves being killed off, I kinda don't want him to, because he is such a well-written amazing character.
Yeah I also see his tragedy as a "problem" for him never being able to count as Pure Evil. And like people said, he also still cares about Stormfront and it's never subverted, even tho he might lose his love and care for Ryan.
Makes me wonder, how does a villain even "overcome" his tragedy? Is that even possible when he is already established as tragic?
Btw nice profile picture lol
It's really hard to tell, in my opinion. But because he says he has to let go his "human side" and arguing with Ryan, implies it. What do you think?
I just don't get it and I think I already adressed this problem. When do sharks or any other predatory real life based animals in fiction count as villains and when do they not and are just instinct driven and not malicious?
Because we say that the dinosaurs, except the Indominus rex and Indoraptor, in the Jurassic Park franchise don't count as villains and mere instictive animals, but then we have the sharks from something like Open Water or Dark Waters on here, despite them just being instinctive predators hunting for food. Or another thing is that while we have these sharks on here, The Meg is weirdly somehow always cut from this wiki, when the Megs from the second movie or the sharks I mentioned are allowed on this wiki, despite them acting the same. Why is that???
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But do they still count as Deceased when they are killed in the living world and sent back to the place they came from?
I don't know if I already asked that question. What do you think? Is it different from story to story?
He was good just for one time?
No, that's redeemed.
No problem and you're welcome.
@Yololologuy2006 That is true, they can't be redeemed unless they stay good. It's just not possible that they count as both. Either they are On & Off or Redeemed. Former is when they stay evil in the end and the latter is when they remain and stay good without turning evil again.
And yeah, I think even one switching to the good side and back to the evil side again, already counts as On & Off, because the category doesn't say otherwise. Also the fact that we have characters like Dr. Neo Cortex, Dr. Nefarious and Mileena under it that also just switched to the good side for one time and then never again.
I just brought that up and wanted to hear your opinion because in my talks with Jester of Chaos, he said that they have to switch multiple times, otherwise they aren't On & Off. But like I said, I don't think so, because we have characters under it that did it just one time and then not a second time.
@Yololologuy2006 The category states tho that once they are Redeemed, they can't qualify as On & Off anymore. If they have both on the same page, it's category abuse. But then, this isn't what my question was about....
@Mesektet No, I meant when they turn from evil to good to evil again but just one time, but still out of genuine reasons.
And I mean not out of pragmatic reasons but genuine good reasons.
I ask because he is a demon and he got killed. Or is he just going to respawn in hell?