I've been thinking about this category lately and honestly is it really necessary? We already have a category for Family Guy villains and not only is Cleveland in the same universe as the latter half of the characters in Cleveland's category overlap, so again why is this necessary? Considering we have shows like Riverdale and CAOS merged into one category when their connection is in name only pretty much, why does Cleveland get special treatment? I just feel like this is a redundant category.
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I'm in the same boat as Nate honestly, I feel like it could go either way but I'm leaning towards a no for the moment, just feel like there's already enough information in them as it is.
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He's a protagonist villain. He's done more than just steal and do heroin, he shoots dogs for laughs just to see them attacking their owners, he led his friend Tommy onto heroin addiction and HIV infection for money something that led to his death (Which to be fair he did feel bad for but that doesn't excuse it). Lastly he robbed his "friends" of £12,000 regardless of how morally inept Sick Boy and Begbie are that is MASSIVE amount of theft and betrayal, that alone is enough for him to qualify.
In a similar area to what we have done with the pages for the character of The Master from the Doctor Who series I believe that we should give Beavis and Butt-Head their own separate pages to include biography and personality sections and such while keeping their current PIC page for their "list of antagonistic moments" section.
I know this might come off as a strange idea but I think we honestly should do this because of how different the two characters actually are. I've found issues with certain categories being added onto the current page which contradict one another for example (say "affably evil" for instance which fits Beavis but not Butt-Head or "Psychopath" which fits Butt-Head kind of but doesn't really fit Beavis).
Essentially I think that it would be of great benefit if we were to give them separate pages while still keeping the main one like we've done for The Master for each run in the Doctor Who franchise he's appeared in,
That's all I've got to say about it, feel free to discuss below what you guys think.
The amount of proposals being done is currently so big that the tab to select between them is clogging up a good portion of the right hand side of my screen and I'm unable to close it. This is making trying to do several tasks on the wiki downright infuriating and I was wondering if anyone else was having this issue.
If so then I'd say we really need to limit the amount of proposals done at a time.
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<p>@Ordeaux26, considering some of the users on this wiki including myself and if I'm not mistaken some admins actually live in the EU. By blocking fandom in the EU many users won't be able to use the sites, that idea helps nobody. It means we can't access any wiki including this one and a big number of users will be gone.</p>
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<p>All of the people I've mentioned bar Looper have been around for over two years and then again Looper is close to being on here for two, plus he's got a good clean track record</p>
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<p>Grizzly, MenInBlak, LooperReallyReallySucks. </p>
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<p>Ever since I saw season two I've been saying this. I see removal proposals as unnecessary as well especially in this case</p>
<p>Okay so I've already tried speaking about this on the Yon-Rogg talk page, but nobody bothered looking at it other than one user who actually agreed with me.</p><p>
</p><p>Essentially I am baffled as to why we are considering The Supreme Intelligence a character of whom had little to no screentime in the entire feature and was unimportant to the story is considered the main antagonist simply because she was in charge of the Kree. I'm making the arguement that Yon-Rogg is the actual main antagonist of this feature since he is the one who had a much more personal connection with the protagonist, he's the one who chose to bring her to Kree in the first place (this had nothing to do with the SI might I add) and he's the one who got her onto his squad, on top of this HE'S the reason for the SI even being introduced to us. Yon-Rogg is clearly the more important of the two characters and at the very least I think we should at least do what we did with Bane and Talia in the Dark Knight Rises and say they share the role of main antagonist.</p><p>
</p><p>This will likely cease all of the edit warring going on between both pages as well.</p>
</p><p>Essentially I am baffled as to why we are considering The Supreme Intelligence a character of whom had little to no screentime in the entire feature and was unimportant to the story is considered the main antagonist simply because she was in charge of the Kree. I'm making the arguement that Yon-Rogg is the actual main antagonist of this feature since he is the one who had a much more personal connection with the protagonist, he's the one who chose to bring her to Kree in the first place (this had nothing to do with the SI might I add) and he's the one who got her onto his squad, on top of this HE'S the reason for the SI even being introduced to us. Yon-Rogg is clearly the more important of the two characters and at the very least I think we should at least do what we did with Bane and Talia in the Dark Knight Rises and say they share the role of main antagonist.</p><p>
</p><p>This will likely cease all of the edit warring going on between both pages as well.</p>
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<p>I'd say one page for the Beast and maybe merge Dennis and Patricia so say "The Beast is the main antagonist of Split and the secondary antagonist of Glass" then "Dennis and Patricia are the central antagonists of Split. Patricia also acts as a supporting antagonist in Glass while Dennis appears as an anti-villain.</p>
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<p>That works maybe for Dennis and the rest of the horde but the beast is completely separate. The fact that he alters Kevin's body proves that and putting him on the same level as the other identities is ridiculous since he clearly has power over them. Plus the name of the page at least should be changed. Kevin himself isn't villainous, The Horde is a more acceptable name</p>
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<p>The personalities ACT independently and are all unique and different from one another so that excuse doesn't fly.</p>
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<p>Update: At the very least TWO pages should be made. I propose that we rename Kevin's page to The Horde and focus on the more prominent personalities in The Horde while making a seperate page for the Beast.</p><p>
</p><p>Point is Kevin himself IS NOT a villain. The Beast and a handful of his personas are so we must make that distinction.</p>
</p><p>Point is Kevin himself IS NOT a villain. The Beast and a handful of his personas are so we must make that distinction.</p>
<p>I'd like to propose that we make separate pages for Kevin's four main personalities: The Beast, Dennis, Patricia and Hedwig while keeping Kevin's own page but renaming it the horde.</p><p>
</p><p>My reasoning for this is because Kevin himself isn't a villainous man and is mortified about what his own personalities have done and wishes to bring about the end of them. Also grouping them all in as the collective main antagonist in split and secondary antagonist in glass is honestly completely ridiculous to me.</p><p>
</p><p>Split's main antagonist is clearly The Beast, Dennis acts as the central antagonist and Patricia the secondary, Hedwig also qualifies as a supporting antagonist because he has prominence over the majority of the other personas and takes part in despicable behaviours due to the manipulations of Dennis and Patricia. The rest would fall under the Horde area, some of them are villainous like the previously mentioned four while some like Barry are not. </p><p>
</p><p>What do you all think?</p><p>
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</p><p>My reasoning for this is because Kevin himself isn't a villainous man and is mortified about what his own personalities have done and wishes to bring about the end of them. Also grouping them all in as the collective main antagonist in split and secondary antagonist in glass is honestly completely ridiculous to me.</p><p>
</p><p>Split's main antagonist is clearly The Beast, Dennis acts as the central antagonist and Patricia the secondary, Hedwig also qualifies as a supporting antagonist because he has prominence over the majority of the other personas and takes part in despicable behaviours due to the manipulations of Dennis and Patricia. The rest would fall under the Horde area, some of them are villainous like the previously mentioned four while some like Barry are not. </p><p>
</p><p>What do you all think?</p><p>
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Kevin Personality Pages
Keep all the personalities in one page
4 pages for the most prominent ones & rename Kevin's page to The Horde
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<p>Leaning towards a yes</p>
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<p>Wow horror films really have sunken this low 😂😂. Well Jordan Peele to the rescue again i suppose</p>
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<p>Proxima Midnight and Evelyn Deavor are the only terrible characters here hmmm.</p>
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<p>With the way we've laid out ghirahim's infobox that's not an option. We can't have two of his original humanoid form but only one of his other three forms.</p>
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<p>1. Templates as far as I'm aware have no such rule.</p><p>2. I've already got more than twenty.</p><p>3. Do you know of any more touchstone villains?</p>