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I'll try to mention 10 heroes who could be wonderful villains, one from each universe to be fair. Some of you may disagree, but the next entries make sense to me:

*Gandalf was confirmed that Tolkien himself to have the potential to corrupt the ring rather than the other way around, and would've been worse than Sauron had he chose corruption over correction. I think Tolkien meant that Gandalf as a tyrant could inspire both fear and respect rather than just fear, and also being a delusional hypocrite rather than a straightforward dictator.

*Albus Dumbledore was a cunning man who made hard decisions for what he perceived as the greater good and sometimes talked in riddles and put Harry at risk. At some point, he felt more like J.K. Rowling's enforcer than like a mentor. Thus, he could be even worse than Voldemort from similar reasons to Gandalf having the potential to be worse than Sauron.

*Billy Brennan was presented as a man with good intentions and bad decisions, but his decision to steal the raptor eggs can make sense only if he was the bad guy this whole time. Now, imagine a version of JP3 where Brennan was a violent criminal who wanted to sell the eggs to the black market, or alternatively an industrial spy who plans to get even with the people who threw him under the buss. As Alan Grant's former assistant, him and Grant could have an intense and deep rivalry. Perhaps he could even mitigate Amanda's screaming and stupidity.

*Samantha Carpenter was a heroic brute in the canon. The daughter of Billy Loomis who chose to be a good person for the sake of her sister Tara. Now imagine her as a Ghostface who gave up to her trauma. A broken woman who hates Sidney more than anything in the world and loves Tara more than anything in the world. The tragic part is that she wants her sister to prosper, and the villain part is because she wants Sidney to suffer. Her motive? Losing both of her fathers and having a drunk mother and blaming it on Sidney.

*Jon Snow was a professional dragon slayer in the canon. A man who took part at killing three villains and was meant to be heroic and complicated at the same time, but loses points for killing his own aunt while kissing her and being framed as more heroic than he was. Now, imagine Jon losing parts of his personality after Melisandre revived him and becoming a less evil version of Karl Tanner. A man who thinks he makes the world a better place, but actually manipulates Daenerys into becoming a monster, and gets framed accordingly.

*Shrek used to be a grumpy ogre until his character development. He owes a lot of it to Donkey and Fiona. Now, imagine him without Donkey and Fiona. He could've become worse than Farquaad. An ogre who lives the stereotype to the fullest and kills whole villages before they could kill him.

*Clementine was a sweet girl who grew up into a world-weary but ultimately good woman. She has Alvin Junior (AJ) to take care of and wants him to grow and prosper. Now, imagine her being found as a child by someone like William Carver. She could've become a selfish and murderous social Darwinist, with AJ being the only exception to her cruelty.

*Son Goku used to be a violent kid, but got nicer after forgetting himself due to a head injury. Now, imagine him not sustaining a head injury and not going through a redemption arc as a child. He could've grown up and become a warlord on earth. Perhaps even worse than Vegeta at his worst.

*Hakoda was Sokka and Katara's father in the canon, and a wise leader to the Southern water tribe. Now, imagine him as a water Ozai. A man who believes the water nation should rule the world and inflicts unspeakable cruelty upon his enemies and family alike. Under this AU Hakoda, the water nation would be a nation of pirates, and Sokka and Katara would grow up and be villains as well. "Avatar: Distorted Reality" were sure on to something.

*Merida had her issues, but she meant well, and ultimately came to realise her error and got her head out of her posterior. Now, imagine her not getting her head out of the posterior. Imagine her becoming a tyrant queen such as Boudicca. She could be worse than Mordu.

Just out of curiousity, which 10 heroes would you list here? It's an interesting topic and i have opinions, but i want to hear your thoughts too.

I think they wanted Jumba to be a composite character of the OG Jumba and Gantu for the sake of a more simple story. Not justifying the result. Just saying why i think they did it.

Magneto is a holocaust survivor. Nuff said. Doofenshmirtz is miserable, but his misery are cartoonish. The others, especially Magneto, have genuine and serious problems.

For reasons that should be obvious, most villains who abuse children are hate sinks by default. Villains who abuse children can be iconic (like Frollo) or fall under love to hate, but they are very rarely (if ever) likable.

Peter Ludlow ("The Lost World") too. He's a wimp, but he's far from harmless. He still threw his own uncle under the buss and dehumanized Malcolm, and his IDW version is a good indication that he would've become worse over time if his plan would've succeeded. People who behave like him in real-life are often far worse than presented in the movie. Because he was written as not evil enough to be recognized and not sympathetic enough to be liked, many people think he's a joke, and some even think he's not evil at all. They are wrong. Technically evil is still evil.

I didn't watch "Gladiator 2" yet, but from what i've heard, Macrinus is less of a villain and more of an anti-Woke statement. Don't get me wrong. Blacks can be evil too. Gays can be misogynistic too. But the specific source i've read said that Macrinus is more of a statement than a villain, partly due to being black and gay. The specific source had some interesting arguments in general. For now, i'll just vote for Commodus. It feels like he's a more definite villain.

Like Demntio said, it depends on how well they are written. Not all great villains are sympathetic (some villains can be tragic and still unsympathetic, whether or not it's on purpose), and not all sympathetic villains are great. Specifically for the villains whom pictures were used for this poll, i think Shen is my favorite one on this list, so i'm going to vote for him.

I know Jeremy Irons probably doesn't see it, but happy birthday to him anyway. I hope he's doing well.

It depends on the particular villain, story, setting and message. If a villain is going to be redeemed, they should want it and deserve it. If they neither want it nor deserve it, they should probably get defeated in a logical way. If a villain win, it should be only as a last resort on the good people's side, when they want to show that sometimes we can't always get what we want or something.

That's an interesting question. Who on this list reminds me of Ozai the most? Well, Lord Darker and Salem don't remind me of Ozai, so they are off the table. Lord Shen is more similar to Azula than to Ozai (i have my reasons), so he works better as a shadow archetype than as a foil.

Aku has a fanatic follower who's pretty much a female Ozai, and sounding like Iroh makes Aku more similar to an adaptational villainy version of Azulon in that regard.

Palpatine has the personality, and currently to Rey's trilogy, he was also violent to his own family, even if not to the extent of Ozai. He's also an alien Hitler, and Ozai is very similar to Hitler in his own way. With that said, Palpatine also has some Sozin in him, with his Order 66 and all.

Belos murdered his own brother and wanted to kill the whole witchkind for living up his childhood fantasy. It's similar to Ozai, who murdered his father because the father loved his brother better, and his decision to burn the Earth Kingdom was basically punishing the world because his father loved someone else better.

With all considered, i would say Belos and Palpatine are the most similar to Ozai on this list, each in his own way. Belos is more similar to Ozai, but Palpatine is a better foil.

A brief summary: He's the main antagonist of "Scream" franchise. He was born after John Milton (Scream) led a gang rape on Maureen Prescott, and Maureen couldn't bare to see Roman's face, because his very existence reminds her of the worst day of her life. A normal person would be a bit upset, but respect her wish. Roman is a psychopath, and his reaction was manipulating Billy Loomis and Stu Macher into murdering Maureen in revenge for not loving him. The thing is that Roman doesn't love anyone, but he wants others to love him. Even if somehow we justify the part where he executed his own mother because she didn't love him, there's no way to justify a killing spree where he killed 9 people (only one of those people had it coming) and tried to frame Sidney (again, his own half-sister) in his killing spree.

No biggie :-). It's a hard game. Now, the villain i was thinking about was Roman Bridger. He's not listed as a sadist because of the controversy, not because he was indifferent. He literally smiled when he strangled Sidney (his own half-sister).

Not Mr. Freeze. As far as i remember, Mr. Freeze is geniunely tragic. Want another hint, or do you want me to say who it is?

Maybe lol. Seriously though, this is a game where both sides wins. Now, i'll give you a major hint. Hope it would help: He's fake tragic. His tragedy used to be real until he decided that cruelty makes better sense than compassion, and as the protagonist wisely pointed out, he should've taken some freaking responsibility instead of taking people's lives. Also, he ain't fooling anybody. He enjoys killing people.

A. The sympathetic solution: Dawn was the literal black sheep of her family, and her racist family hated her because she reminds them of a black panther, so they threw her out of the house. She let the insults of how she reminds a black panther to get into her head, and decided to blame the carnivores as a whole in her situation, because she couldn't bring herself to blame her parents. Thus, she came up with the canon scheme and revealed herself as the villain at the end of the second arc when she tried to convince Judy to join her ("when you're accused at looking like a black panther, eventually you start to act like one. Stick with me and no one will mock you ever again").

B. The hate sink solution: Dawn is an obvious villain to the audience (it fixes the twist decay of a twist villain whose twist was poorly-handled), and Judy suspects her too, but she suffocates her suspecions with a pillow because she really needs to trust someone. Also, she's not a sheep in this solution. She's a pig who encourages Mayor Lionheart to become more and more corrupted.

No. I'll give you a hint: He appears in a movie somewhere between 1994-2001.

Before i share my ideas, you want a solution that makes Dawn more sympathetic, or something that makes her a more definite villain?

If you feel like it, i have another villain in mind for the next round. The first hints are:

*He killed/executed his own mother because she didn't love him as much as he wanted.

*His father was a terrible person, and he himself became just as bad, if not worse.

*It takes more than a stab in the heart to kill him.

*He's not a "Dragon Ball" character.

He's similar to Palpatine, but he's not a "Star Wars" character. The villain i was thinking about was Napoleon. The first hint (He sounds like Charles Xavier and behaves like Sebastian Shaw) a reference to the fact that Napoleon's live-action version was voiced by Patrick Stewart, who also portrayed Charles Xavier (Professor X from "X-Men"). The real-life dictator he's based on is Stalin. The part with not wanting to be out at night when his dogs are on the loose was about his guard dogs. The part with the original oppressor was about Mr. Jones. The final hint was about Napoleon's final commandment after rewriting the animalism commandments ("All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others"). Do you want to play another round, this time you think about a villain?