The excuse wasn’t a great one (mainly teased and an abusive stepfather; bad but nothing remotely justifies how he became especially when for horror where some have far greater ones) with implications he has violent tendencies from a very young age, very heavily implied to of been a pedophile (especially in Freddy vs Jason where we see him lick a photo of a child he’s killed) and we see he takes pride in condemning his victims to eternal suffering even after death along with trying to kill his own daughter later. The other while darker is partly because of no sequels and trying to be less comedic (the original went from trying to be serious to laughably evil with one liners). Trying to compare due to sheer volume is unfair but acts the original is worse primarily due to the sequels.
The origin is heavily implied a pedophile/rapist, was a serial killer and absorbed a the souls condemning them to eternal suffering. The remake is by far darker in tone but ultimately doesn’t even have the implications the souls are trapped upon death.
While he counts I’d say Joel Miller. He’s a man that lost his daughter only hours after his birthday and went decades surviving essentially a zombie apocalypse which he basically admitted to doing evil, the main reason he’s here is how the game ends in what boils down to a major debatable choice which is why he’s a grey zone: let a group of morally ambiguous individuals harvest the brain of his adopted daughter (Ellie) for a vaccine or take the only chance for what remains to create one for humanity away.
Now the story basically uses vaccine and cure interchangeably but it’s a vaccine for a mutated fungus which the real world can’t make and technology basically stoping in 2013 for the setting. One could argue he doomed humanity while others can argue it would of been a reckless and doomed to fail. The sequel makes it clear Ellie is angry as she feels survivors guilt and mad he lied to her vs giving her a choice but at the same time the group didn’t even tell her beforehand merely put her to sleep then went straight for it. The group itself does show recklessness and borderline to outright terrorists but have some intentions to supposedly spread the vaccine and gain favor from the survivors with the government being basically a police state so said group and Joel both do things at best morally questionable beyond just survival thus belong here but some logs hint the scientist for said group aren’t that bright.
Parents or those who have ever been in a similar role can easily see the choice as understandable as most parents wouldn’t be willing to let their child die and even the scientist per sequel is stumped when questioned on if it were his daughter. Joel represents the choice of “my child first” while the leader Marlene (recently added due to questionable actions of of her group an for those unaware basically played a mother like role or at minimum aunt to Ellie) clearly is upset/conflicted but chooses to risk Ellie due to believing it “for the greater good”.
So yeah I find both a Joel and Marlene while here some of the most grey zone types. I have a few others but figured I’d stop after this long one. XD
Ellie I’m not sure but Joel is for potentially dooming humanity (although unclear if they were even competent enough to make a vaccine given logs) and a lot of at best questionable actions including a criminal record (he was a smuggler) not simply for killing in the situation. I haven’t played The Last of Us 2 but I only heard of one moment potentially pushing her and even then she wasn’t intentionally or aware of it at the time the woman was pregnant.
One book implied that the canon secret is when he said that it would indeed happen and then the incantation in the show. It’s left with some debate especially when it sends with a shot of Bill’s body and then a scavenger hunt which will not canon gives the indication he still exists.
Not necessarily as it can be just from a characters perspective or from drama can actually addressing the audience themselves
No, he’s been discussed a lot in the past with ultimately some of his extremely dark methods such as torture pushing him to counting.
Dimentio’s comment seems less directed at the actual player and more a taunt to demean the heroes, Vox and Kefka I know don’t break the 4th wall.
Yeah they weren’t willingly helping the other or under completely different conditions than the other implied.
A minion is one who willingly and knowing works for someone, a pawn is unaware and merely tricked.
That’s simply being delusional he still has the choice in what he does.
It’s a flashback and one that is debatable if real or simply a hallucination on Pamela given if she were around when it happened she would of jumped in to save him. I could honestly see him counting as mute given in the present and a villain we never hear him give anything but a growl or grunt when actually hurt. I mean we have at least one other who are given one minor quote in a flashback when someone tries to give medical treatment even if not easy to hear and yes that character does count given not only described as such in universe but that is only one scene with even then very hard to make out.
Without moral agency they are simply following their nature thus can’t be held fully responsible as its not a matter of choice, Pure Evils can choose either way and just prefer their evil deeds.
On rare occasions they seem to have some basic plans and still allow monsters especially when their goal is basically destroying reality.
No, they are evil just the category being deleted due to it being misused and it being inaccurate for this site. They still plan the plunge the universe into eternal darkness.
I don't know much on her but yeah in the film I saw she did nothing evil so I say deleting her shouldn't be an issue.
While I don't I was not offended by it only saying that you were rude in your comment to Shinobi. Different views and opinions are always welcome being rude isn't.
Shinobi wasn't being rude Malik just saying he doesn't think its necessary. He simply gave his opinion nothing more.
I lean slightly to no as the page itself can help clarify any who are related, the infobx is meant for short overviews / summaries to help those looking for the basics and can be serious spoilers for some stories,
OMA is supposed to cover "Tanks" as well. In history an army doesn't always rely on a lot of strategy but occasionally just raw power in numbers, Juggernaut is indeed an idiot overall but regularly takes down several superhuman threats by himself while using street fighting as his main way. I agree simply being superhuman against normal humans isn't enough because logically they have no shot but by no means are all OMA or even actual armies impressive with strategy even though in modern times they rely on impressive strategies more than raw power.