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Youngest of the Seed brothers and maybe the most sadistic. In charge of "recruiting" for the cult — MARKING, CLEANSING, CONFESSION, ATONEMENT... those are the four steps he puts everyone through to become a member of Eden's Gate — if they survive. John tells everyone to accept "THE POWER OF YES" as a way to get his followers to do whatever the fuck he wants. Grade A psychopath.
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~ Dutch's notes on John.
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We are all sinners. Every one of us. You. Me. Even the Father knows deeply of sin. It's a poison that clouds our minds. What if I told you, you could be free from sin? What if I told you that everything you ever dreamed could come true? What if I told you that everything could be overcome if you embraced an idea: that freedom from sin can come from the power of just one word... yes I am a sinner. Yes I wish to be unburdened. Yes... I must be redeemed. If you're watching this know that you have been selected. You will be cleansed. You will confess your sins, and you will be offered atonement. Don't worry you won't have to do anything... we'll come for you.
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~ John Seed's message to Hope County and his first words in-game.
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This is the Power of "Yes"!
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~ John's catchphrase.
John Seed is one of the three secondary antagonists (alongside Jacob and Faith Seed) of the 2018 video game Far Cry 5, and the secondary antagonist of the Far Cry 6 DLC, Joseph: Collapse.
He is the younger brother of Jacob and Joseph Seed, the ruler of Holland Valley, and one of the three Heralds for the Project at Eden's Gate. A former lawyer, John is in charge of gaining resources such as food and water for the cult needed to wait out the Collapse, as well as indoctrinating people into the cult. With sadomasochistic tendencies stemming from being abused as a child, John believes that the only way for people to join the Project and "atone" for their sins is to willingly be put through as much pain and suffering as possible, which he refers to as "the power of Yes".
He is voiced by Seamus Dever, who also played Trigon in Titans, and played by Rob Evors in Inside Eden's Gate.
John was not born a monster. He was just a child when our family was torn apart. He was loving. Kind. Full of joy... He was easily preyed upon.
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~ Joseph talks about John after the latter's death.
Born to two unnamed parents, John Seed was the younger brother of Joseph and Jacob Seed. According to Joseph, John was a very happy child before an unknown event supposedly destroyed the Seed family and his parents abused him after that. One night, they threw him onto the kitchen floor and beat him until all he could say was "yes" - affirming his lifelong motto that individuals who deserve punishment for their sins, which was everyone, should accept it without resistance. He is the most sadistic of the Seed family. After the event, John became a highly successful lawyer, though his lifelong motto and trauma led to him mutilating and torturing himself for what he himself admits were selfish pleasures. When Joseph rose to became leader of the Project at Eden's Gate, John, alike his brother Jacob, was recruited to be one of the cult's leaders, though Joseph was completely aware that John would use his position to indulge his own vices.
John had the role of forcing potential new members to repent their sins, which he did by carving the sins they are guilty of into their flesh. If they atoned for their sins, John cut the carved skin out of the person's body, which served as a sign that they successfully left their sins behind them. He was in charge of forcing members of the Project at Eden's Gate to confess and atone to their sins so they could be pure enough to join their ranks. In addition, using his skills as a lawyer, John helped to convince people to sell their land to the cult early on, back before the cult's true danger was made known to the public.
Far Cry 5[]
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Welcome to Eden's Gate.
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~ John warning the Resistance he will be coming for them.
John is present when the marshals attempt to arrest Joseph along with his siblings but the cultists intervene, save the Father and leave all but a Junior Deputy imprisoned by the cult, with John capturing Deputy Hudson. John sends a message throughout Hope County, and he explains that everyone is a sinner whose every action is almost another sin but promises salvation with just a simple idea, that say "yes" that you are a sinner, seek redemption for it then confess and atone them. In the message he reveals Deputy Hudson and that the cult will be coming for all sinners, leading to the Junior Deputy to go to war with him.
First Captured Hunt (The Cleansing)[]
With the amount of chaos and frustration the Deputy is causing John by interfering with his operations in Holland Valley, his rage reaches a breaking point as he sends a party to capture them, succeeding as they are rendered unconscious by a dose of the cult's patented Bliss formula. Upon awakening, the Deputy finds themselves among a group of soon-to-be initiates in John's baptismal rites. Pulled from the waters, they watch as several citizens are "blessed" and welcomed into the cult before the man himself looks them over and deems them "unclean." However, as he proceeds to drown the Deputy, surprisingly the Father himself intervenes and spares their common foe, though only because he believes they are still worthy of reaching the "Gates of Atonement." Joseph says to the deputy; "Despite all that you have done, you are not beyond salvation. You're not here by accident or by chance. You are here for the Grace of God. You've been given a gift. Now it remains to be seen whether you chose to embrace it, or to cast it aside." The Father then turns back to his more hot headed brother, John and says; " This one shall reach the atonement, or the Gates of Eden shall be shut to you, John." before they bless each other and Joseph leaves.
The Choice and Power of "YES" (The Confession)[]
John captures the Deputy again when his breaking point was reached again after their interferring of the cult's plans. He brings the Deputy to his bunker and puts them in a room with Deputy Hudson while both are tied to rolling chairs. There, he remarks that when he was younger, his parents taught him the power of the word "Yes," and would beat him until he learned it. He then remarks that everyone who undergoes the Cleansing has their sin tattooed on their flesh so that it can be revealed. He says that the Deputy, given that they quickly resort to violence and has no qualms with it, must surely be the sin of wrath. He then rips the Deputy's shirt open and remarks that it is time for atonement. The Deputy is asked whether they or Hudson should go first (though Hudson is gagged in this particular scene so he is only taunting the two deputies).
If the player chooses to say "Yes", then John will be overjoyed that the Deputy has begun to embrace his teachings and moves Hudson out of the room so the Deputy can have their confession in private. If the player refuses to say "Yes", an enraged John will angrily throw a table and choose to start with the Deputy but also removes Hudson from the room. Both options give the Deputy enough time to escape. Attempting to rescue Hudson, the Deputy meets with John again behind a locked blast door who reveals he has finally discovered their sin of "wrath" and indulges them by sending as many angels (Bliss-overdosed cultists who are nearly immune to pain) for them to kill whilst leaving with Hudson, promising they won't meet again until they are ready for atonement as the bunker begins to fill with poisonous gas. Killing the cultists, the Deputy escapes and plans to rescue Hudson yet again by provoking John by liberating most of Holland Valley.
Final Confrontion and Death ("The Atonement" and "Wrath")[]
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If Mohammed won't come to the mountain, then bring the mountain to Mohammed. Let's begin!
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~ John during the Atonement.
Finally, John moves against the Deputy when they cause enough damage to John's operation. He captures Falls End and tells the Deputy to come to the church if they want to rescue his/her friends. While there, the Deputy is captured. When they awaken, John has finished tattooing wrath onto the Deputy's chest. He then has the Deputy brought forward for the atonement, where Jerome Jeffries, Mary May Fairgrave and Nick Rye are present. Nick has had Greed tattooed on his chest, and John forces Nick to place his hand on The Book of Joseph and swear to atone. Jerome refuses to comply at first but is struck until he does. Nick refuses, and John remarks on the nature of greed, stating Nick is really only out for himself. He then whispers something into Nick's ear, possibly about his family, and Nick changes his tune and agrees to atone. John knocks Nick down and cuts the tattoo off of Nick's chest before stapling the skin to the wall of the church. During the chaos, Jerome manages to switch The Book of Joseph with his bible. John then tries the same ceremony with the Deputy, only for the Deputy to pull the hidden gun from Jerome's Bible (which was actually a book safe). They fire on John, and the shot grazes him on the ear. John's troops carry him out to get him to his airstrip and instruct the rest to deal with the Deputy.
John retreats to the sky in his own plane in an attempt to flee to safety but the Deputy follows in another plane and they engage in a dogfight. The Deputy gets in a plane and chases after him, supported by Nick or another Guns for Hire (see Hints) if the player chooses. After destroying John's plane, John parachutes to the ground, only to be fatally wounded by either the Deputy, Nick or the accompanying Guns for Hire. The Deputy approaches a severely injured John and grabs his key, John grabs their arm and asked what if Joseph is right and the world is on the brink. John warns the Deputy to consider that Joseph might be right about the Collapse and that they've already saved people who don't require it from them. The Deputy rips the key off John's neck as John remarks that the Deputy isn't going to save anyone, and prays for God to have mercy on the Deputy's soul. He then succumbs to his wounds.
Legacy[]
After John's death, the Deputy took his key and used it to rescue the hostages and destroy John's bunker. Joseph subsequently monologued about how John was not perfect, at some times not even good, but that he was still his brother and that those who are responsible for his death will be punished.
Far Cry 6[]
Joseph: Collapse[]
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You've hurt everyone you claimed to love!
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~ John's apparition to Joseph in the opening cinematic.
John appears in Joseph: Collapse as the secondary antagonist alongside Jacob and Faith, where he is an apparition within Joseph's mind. Alongside his siblings and the Judge, John appears as a mini-boss within missions, and acts as the main boss in his cabin hallucination. The Voice shows Joseph a vision where his siblings survived a nuclear apocalypse, and John is shown to be suffering from his lustful urges towards Faith. Joseph stops him as well as telling him that Jacob will not allow that to happen as John states that he needs to cut something (implying that he is thinking of killing Joseph), with Seed lamenting that he could always control his brother, and believes that he would have gotten John under control over time.
Personality[]
John was a kind and happy child once before his parents abused him. Despite the trauma and rage it caused him deep into his adult years, John believed that he, like all sinners, deserved his punishment and even held a degree of gratitude for them teaching him "the Power of Yes". According to him, he came to accept and enjoy the pain he received, and is implied to have self-harmed and even mutilated himself, implying he is a masochist. John says that he was taught by Joseph to give the very gift he received from his parents to others through absolution and atonement so they would be worthy to shelter from the Collapse and brought onto Eden. Thus, he teaches the idea that you must suffer great pain in order to atone for your actions to his followers.
In contrast to Jacob who genuinely intended to help humanity by "culling the herd", and Faith who merely hoped to please Joseph out of fear, John's motivation for serving the production was to satisfy his own sadistic tendencies, as he seemed to show genuine joy during the "atonement" of the sinful, shown most prominently during the cleansing, where he cruelly drowned the Deputy more than was necessary and only stopped once Joseph chastised him for it. It is revealed over time that Joseph was greatly aware of John's truly monstrous nature, which he himself claims was the result of their parent's abuse. Despite his cruelty, John believes Faith is much worse than him due to her abuse of her "angels", insinuating that John treated (or at least believed he did) those he saved very well.
Despite being the most cruel and evil of the Seed family, John ironically serves as the face of the cult, sending out televised propaganda not too dissimilar to a modern day televangelist, and showing a level of charisma not seen in his eldest brother or adopted sister, to the point where it's revealed that his oral abilities were crucial in gaining territory for the cult in it's early days, something probably only furthered by his past experience as a lawyer. Despite his cruelty, John believes Faith is much worse than him due to her abuse of her “Angels,” insinuating that John believes he treated his followers well.
Quotes[]
Far Cry 5[]
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So. You've taken my home in the name of your little "resistance". Ah, if those walls could talk... well, more accurately scream... Just know that I will get it back - sooner or later. And when I do, maybe I'll hang your skin as a trophy above the mantle.
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~ John Seed after the Deputy took over his ranch.
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Sin is pervasive. It drives us to do unspeakable acts. I know the feelings that drive you. I know them... intimately. But I can help you, Deputy. I can help wash away these sins. I can Cleanse your soul. It will be difficult, and it will be painful, but... it will be worth it. My people will come for you. They will bring you to me. Don't fight it. Because the harder you fight resist, well... the harder we'll have to scrub you soul.
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~ John when marking the Deputy for the first time.
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You will confess. Every sin you've ever committed, no matter how petty, no matter how small... I will pull them from you. Then we'll see if you're worthy of atonement.
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~ John Seed to the Deputy after being chastised by Joseph.
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Pastor Jerome is selfish. And misguided. And if he were a true man of God, his people wouldn't have left him in the first place. You, Deputy, will still Confess your sins. Because this is the will of The Father.
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~ John as he got angrier with the deputy.
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Deputy... You've had your fun. But all sinners must be Confess. This is the will of The Father. My men are coming for you. I'll see you soon.
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~ John when marking the Deputy for the second time.
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My parents were the first ones to teach me about the Power of Yes. One night, they took me into the kitchen, and they threw me on the ground, and I experienced the pain after pain after pain after... And when I didn't think I could take anymore, I did. Something broke inside. I wasn't scared, I was... clear. I looked up at them and I started to laugh. All I could say was... Yes. I spent my entire life looking for more things to say 'yes' to. I opened up every hole in my body and when those were filled, I created more. But it was Joseph who showed me just how selfish I was being. Always receiving. Always taking. The best gift isn't the one you get, it's the one you give and giving takes courage. The courage... to own your sin. To etch it on to your flesh and carry its burden and when you have endured... when you have truly begun to atone... to cut it out like a cancer and display it for all to see. My god that's courage. I'm going to teach you courage. Teach you how to say Yes, so you can confront your weaknesses. Confront your sin. You will swim across an ocean of pain and emerge... free. For only then can you truly begin to atone.
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~ John to the Junior Deputy, explaining his backstory and motives.
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I know your sin. It drives you. Every thought, every action. Your sin is Wrath. So I'll indulge you: become Wrath. Let it fill your body and consume your soul, because in the end, you'll still be empty, and I'll be waiting right here. We both will...
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~ John to Junior Deputy after the latter escapes from captivity.
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Leave this place... gorge yourself on wrath. Because if you don't, if you stay here... I will bleed your little princess like a stuck pig.
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~ John taunting the Junior Deputy as they escaped his bunker.
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I'm going to open you and put your worst fears inside and as you choke, your sins will reveal themselves. only then will you truly understand the Power of Yes. I'll be right back...
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~ John to the Junior Deputy, about to torture Deputy Hudson in other room.
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Your soul is poisoned, diseased, riddled with cancer... and it must be cut out. But you refuse my help. You refuse my help. You refuse to say Yes. So until you do... every pain you inflict on this Prophet will be visited a thousand times on your friends. And I'm not sure how much more Hudson here can endure... Choose your next actions wisely, Deputy.
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~ John after he lost most of his control over Holland Valley.
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When this little rebellion is over... You will rebuild that, you will build it piece by piece until your fingers are worked to the bone... And when you’re done... I’ll bury you underneath it.
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~ John if the Deputy destroyed the YES sign.
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Your actions have consequences, Deputy. I've gathered all your friends here in Fall's End to Atone for your sins. You're welcome to join us. After all, if it weren't for you, they wouldn't be in this predicament... This is your last chance to say Yes, Deputy. Don't be late.
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~ John deciding to finally confront the Deputy in Fall's End.
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Hold still... It's supposed to say 'Wrath'. not 'Rat'. Sin must be exposed so it may be absolved. If we hide our sin, we hide ourselves... You will not hide any longer, your true self will spill out on this floor for all to see. Ahh... Perfect.
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~ John as he is tattooing Junior Deputy.
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Get me to my ranch! Go! Go! Get me to my airstrip!
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~ John as he fled from Fall's End after the Deputy turned the tables.
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John: Nick Rye... Have you already forgotten what I told you-- Nick: F--k you! You're a goddamn demon and we're gonna send you straight back to Hell! You hear me?! You're a dead man! John: My, my, my. How contagious wrath can be. I'll just have to kill you both.
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~ John if The Deputy hires Nick Rye before confronting him in the airplane fight.
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The Father gave you a chance for salvation and you threw it away. Look at what you have done. LOOK AT THE WRATH YOU HAVE WROUGHT! You could have helped us build a paradise, a future. Instead, you choose to burn it all down.
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~ John's villainous breakdown during the dogfight.
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Arghh! No! NO! I'm losing control! I have--! down! *coughing* (Unamed Cultist: John's plane has crashed! Father protect him...) Brothers, sisters. Do not fear. We have prepared for this. The Father has shown us the way. Prepare my bunker. I am coming to join you. We will await The Collapse together...
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~ John as his plane was shot down.
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What if Joseph is right? Did you ever stop to think about that? Everyone thinks he's crazy. but he's not. Look around you, this world is on the brink. You can feel it in your bones, look at the headline, look at who is in charge! (laughs) You want this key because you think you're saving people, but they are already safe. We had a plan. You don't understand, you don't believe, YOU DON'T CARE!
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~ John to the Junior Deputy after being mortally wounded.
They are not stronger, they are not smarter, they are not IMMORTAL!
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~ John Seed if he's fighting with other cultists/enemies
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That Deputy killed your brothers and sisters!
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~ John Seed if he's fighting with other cultists/enemies
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This WRATH WILL BE STOPPED!
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~ John Seed if he's fighting with other cultists/enemies
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We have to put them down!
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~ John Seed if he's fighting with other cultists/enemies
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We will march in the light of The Father and deliever ourselves to Eden!
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~ John Seed if he's fighting with other cultists/enemies
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If we don't stop that Deputy, we are all dead!
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~ John Seed if he's fighting with other cultists/enemies
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The Father will protect us!
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~ John Seed if he's fighting with other cultists/enemies
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This is the fight you prepared for!
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~ John Seed if he's fighting with other cultists/enemies
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Got him!
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~ John Seed when he spots the player while fighting with other enemies.
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I'm going, cover me!
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~ John Seed when switching position while fighting with other enemies.
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*growls* Reloading!
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~ John Seed when reloading while fighting with other enemies.
Taunts (Both Campaign and Arcade Editor)[]
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We were living in peace until you came along!
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~ John Seed taunting The Deputy during combat.
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I will peel your flesh and hang it on my wall!
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~ John Seed taunting The Deputy during combat.
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All you know is madness and pain...you're not a HERO!
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~ John Seed taunting The Deputy during combat.
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There's Old Wrathy!
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~ John Seed if he spots the player.
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Gotcha!
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~ John Seed if he spots the player before entering combat.
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I see you!
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~ John Seed if he spots the player before entering combat.
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You will be dead soon!
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~ John Seed after doing a quick-melee on The Deputy
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It's over!
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~ John Seed after doing a quick-melee on The Deputy
Gallery[]
John with his family in the prologue, waiting for the Deputy's choice.
John upon his defeat, speaking the Deputy moments before his death.
Trivia[]
John has the word "sloth" engraved on his chest, implying this was his sin.
He was named after John the Baptist in the Bible, given his name and being known as "The Baptist".
John is seen in two versions of his outfit, one being with his trench coat, and one without, showing him in a blue shirt with dark colored vest. Joseph is the only other primary antagonist to have multiple outfits.
During the mission "Wrath," if John jumps out of his plane and survives, he will find a nearby car and drive to his bunker. He will not enter the bunker, and both he and any cultists nearby are hostile. His death scene is scripted and will still occur no matter where he dies.
John was killed at the age of 32, the same age that John the Baptist died at according to some revelations.
John is the only herald that does not kill any of The Junior Deputy's allies, Faith killed The Marshal and Virgil Minkler, Jacob killed Eli, and Joseph killed Dutch in the resist ending, though John did critically injure Nick Rye.
In a vision in Collapse DLC, had John not been killed, a conversation between Joseph and John occurred where John insists Joseph to let him have faith confess more sins, in John’s way of confessions. Joseph rejects as he clears to John that Jacob will not allow any harm on Faith, and that he knows that John fears Jacob. It’s never shown in Far Cry 5 that John fears Jacob, but it is implied that John isn’t quite keen on Faith, even criticising her on her treatments on “The Angels”.
In The Book of Joseph, a pre-order item that came with the first 2000 units of the x Mondo edition of the game, John Seed is described as a person who has little trouble getting people to confess their dirty secrets to him. Joseph Seed, the author of the book even claims that "The President himself would have handed John the nuclear codes without hesitation. Maybe that was how humanity would end." Blackmailing, including coercing confessions from people, is a well-known control tactic of many real-life cults.
The Book of Joseph also details John's past, including that his adoptive name was John Duncan and that prior to reuniting with his brothers, John was working as a lawyer specializing in real estate in Atlanta, Georgia. John had used his influence to actually have their childhood neighborhood torn down. It is implied that John committed tax fraud. His work with real estate also matches with the descriptions given by Virgil and other characters in game of how the cult started buying up property all across the county.
In "The Confession," John starts off whistling the song "We'll Meet Again" by Vera Lynn. This song could possibly reference the fact that he "met" the Deputy again, as planned, or it could even have deeper foreshadowing, as the song also played in the ending of the 1964 movie "Dr. Strangelove," as nukes destroyed the world. In that way, the song very likely references the nuclear ending to the game, where the song even plays in the credits given that path was taken.
John and Faith appear to be slightly fearful of Joseph. This was shown where in "The Confession" where John was drowing the Deputy until Joseph arrived and told him to stop before lecturing hm about his sadistic treatment of non-believers.
Among his brothers and adoptive sister, John is the most outright sadistic.
John is the only one of Seed family that once he is killed you may pick up and carry his body around (not counting the Arcade mode), plus, he is the only of the heralds who can be looted after his death cutscene.
Technically, he is not the only one who can be pilled. Jacob Seed can be looted as well. After killing him, the player has few seconds to loot him immediately before the death cutscene.
Furthermore, he's the only Sub-Boss The Junior Deputy doesn't have to fight on their own since they can recruit their Guns For Hire, including Nick Rye whereas the other bosses the menu is unavailable.
Although difficult, John's capture party is the only one that can be avoided, whereas Jacob's hunters and Faith's 'invitations' to the Bliss are forced. But after avoiding it for some while while doing some stuff to gain resistance points and reaching a point in the resistance bar, you will automatically be drugged even if you weren't damaged or hit by a bliss bullet.
However, Faith's invitations cannot consume you when you're in a vehicle, meaning that Faith's 'invintations' can be avoided as well as long as you remain in a vehicle while doing side or story missions while Jacob's hunters will always capture you no matter where you are in his region.
Joseph tells John during the Cleansing, that if John doesn't start showing a bit of mercy to the non-believers, "This one shall reach the atonement... or the Gates of Eden shall be shut to you, John." This indicates that Joseph is not quite impressed by the methods that John is using. During his eulogy for John, he also states that "John was not perfect, and sometimes he was not even good".
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