It's preferred that infoboxes have just 3-4 categories in the Type of Villains section, because if there's too many, it can get cluttered
Now, the reason why I'm removing Magnificent Bastard in particular is because Ohad7672 spams infoboxes with categories like Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard regardless of whether the villain in question fits the category.
how exactly is he not a Complete Monster? he is a serial-killer who lobotomized his own wife and had sexual feelings for his daughter : he tortured and killed MANY teen boys and had no redeeming qualities whatsoever.. do you even know what "The Loved Ones" is? if not, how can you be so quick to dismiss an obvious CM?
it is a twisted "love" however, no better than Joker and Harley - "love" is NOT a disqualifier if it is perverted beyond reason.. he and Lola may of loved each other but they were CMs because NOTHING justified what either did.. Lola loved her father too but she's also a CM.. because it does NOT justify anything.
other CMS "love" btw - Alan Yates had a girlfriend, Freddy had family and many other CMs also had "loved ones" but guess what? it don't mean crap when they do such horrific things.
The criteria specifically states that Complete Monsters cannot feel empathy. Lola and Mr. Stone clearly care for each other.
And no, none of those examples you listed are loved ones. Joker doesn't love Harley, he's using her. Freddy Krueger didn't love his family, he murdered his wife and tried to kill his daughter. That is not empathy.
It doesn't matter how horrific Mr. Stone and Lola's deeds are. The fact is they care for one another, therefore they do not qualify.
that's fine then but remove CM from Lola as well, since if her father doesn't count neither should she (considering she went and had a full mental breakdown upon losing him : to the point of seeking revenge).
on the note of CMs - would James Harrison from The Victim count then, as he literally had NO loved ones and was proud of being a sociopath?
well, he enjoyed raping women and also had an extremely evil outlook on life - the protagonist had to torture him just to get the "truth" and even then he swore to kill the protagonist "slowly" for daring to harm him.
He also seemed to really enjoy abusing his position, knowing that few would challenge him as an "officer of the law".
I think the worst part of him is he has NO love for anyone, he even mocks the deputy helping him because he's afraid of committing double homicide (the partner agreed to cover up the rape but found his "Even Evil Has Standards" moment when told to kill the two witnesses).
I suppose he is worse than Mr. Stone after you mention the Evil Has Love Ones playing into it.. Mr. Stone at least kind of protected Lola.. Harrison spent the entire portion of his part in The Victim mocking everyone around him, attempting to bribe and lie to save himself and ultimately attempting to brutally murder people that could potentially get in his way.
I guess groups don't count? even if they have no redeeming qualities whatsoever (I didn't add it though, they were a bit standard "hack and slash" horror types) - I can see why people would class them as CM though : they had no reason for anything they did and just killed people in horrible ways because they felt like it.
Hey I'm doing this fun little face off on Jenner (Secret of Nimh) with Professor Ratigan (The Great Mouse Detective). And I'm gonna be asking users which one they think should win. Now this is NOT on who would win in a fight, but which one you think is the better villain. This isn't too much on which one is more evil, because we all know which one is. Jenner is a Complete Monster while Ratigan is a more standard villain, but which one you think is more effective, or which one you personally like more, who's the beter voice actor, etc. And if you like Jenner better because he's a CM, then that's fine too. For me, while Jenner is more evil and probably more menacing, I just love Ratigan more. He's more enjoyable, he had more to do, and he's voiced by Vincent Price. Need I say more? But I want opinions from those on this wiki as well, so what do you all think?
Could you check the page Lew Moxon to make sure it's up to standard. I'm sick of Tearface being on my back for plagiarism even when I try to improve it however I can. You may want to check Feena Sik, Malia, Reflector, Simon Stagg, and Java as well.
Not to sound like a complete sloth but I just can't find the time to rewrite these articles by myself as I'm training my army of Skylanders to the highest. Point is, I have things to do both inside AND outside this wiki. I'd appreciate it if you ask someone to rewrite them so we wouldn't keep arguing about this. I mean you and I got better things to do than antagonizing each other am I right? This is why I was asking others like Bentonfill to help me. Someone other than me has got to care about keeping these articles. If they don't help, who will?
Well guess what, I looked on Planet of the Apes wiki, and it turns out that in the novel prequel Firestorm, I have it but I haven't really read it yet, Koba actually had a mother whome he loved when he was in a facility with her as a child, and he lost her when she was beaten to death by one of the workers. It's also revealed that he did care for his human caretaker, Mary. Part of this to me means he is not a Complete Monster (seriously why is a backstory always making villains out to be innocent victims, JUST MAKE THEM BAD!) however, based on his willingness to kill Ash, his own kind, is it possible that the love for his mother was conditional love and not true love? And I doubt that after his experience with other humans, that he even cares for Mary any more. But if he is not a CM, I guess that means one of us should contact TV Tropes.
It's proably a fine book, but the whole "reason for being evil because they're an innocent victim of circumstance" thing is getting a bit old. You can give them a backstory, just make it slightly more interesting. I guess I like that Koba is a CM because I initially thought he was one of those characters I just mentioned, but he took me by surprise with his evil actions. It was unexpected and introduced me to a whole new side of him, that kind of thing. And I'm sure there's a Trope for what I put in quotes but I'm not sure what it is. lol.
Yeah, it's kind of like how several books were produced after the initial release of The Lion King in order to explain Scar's descent into villainy, or how a graphic novel was made after the release of Who Framed Roger Rabbit as a means of trying to explain that Judge Doom became evil due to him being involved in an accident on stage.
Yep. It was fine with the Killing Joke with how we got to see him commit these horrible God awful acts and then seeing the flash backs of his supposed backstory were we symphasize with him. It was very unique, but since then everyone's been using that as an excuse for their evil villains and it's just gotten old.
I don't think it was written by the original creators or anything. Hopefully, if the rumors reign true and Koba will return for the sequel, they won't pull that stuff on us. If I'm over reacting, I apologize.