Where do i even begin first of all Francis's crimes he kidnaps a entire species subjects theme to brutal tortures machines to harvest there ink not caring if they all die while it happens all to fulfil his own selfish desires. he also has no redeeming qualities whatsoever and anyone he may have had in the beginning are lost by the second half he only cares about himself and as i mentioned at some point his "love" for is anime wafius is nothing more than a perverted obsession. but most importantly he is the only villain in the franchise to be taken completely seriously while he is comedic his actions have real visible consequences and are never played for laughs and the everyone else are horrified by his actions
There is a problem for Villains Wiki, I try to save a detail on a page of Wikia, but the problem, it shows that it is abandoned is he has a big mistake, it's done on Villains Fanon and not on Villains Wiki, to fix this, please... :'-(
Continuing out discussion from Vandal Savage's PE removal proposal:
I have a theory that 13RW's rushed and uncalled for redeeming retcon for Bryce and Monty is because the new leading lady (the actress. Not the character) have a relationship with one of the writers, and that a nighttime conversation made her personal writers do the horrible things he did. That's also why the good people of "Scream" season 2 messed up so badly. Would you say that "13 Reasons Why"'s reasons for the retcon also applies for "Arrow-Verse"?
You feel like Disney is regressing to its early 1st wave (from "Snow White" to anything before "Jungle Book")? It must be a terrible feeling, given the early 1st wave was a sketchy period and wasted potential at best. I'm so sorry you have to go through this :-(.
Your friends will have to respect your taste eventually. Disney have many great movies, but many lame ones too. If someone will ever mock you for watching "Bambi", direct them to "Grave Of The Fireflies". That will earn their respect.
Maybe you're familiar with "Scream" TV series. Piper was great. I wish she was the protagonist instead of Emma. Jamal is a better character and so far the second sane and sympathetic (only he and Debbie can claim that). If you know Jamal, you also know that he's the only killer who did more good than harm overall. Debbie had the most sensible motive, but she never upped to anything good. Jamal killed 3 shitheads for good reasons. I met people who think he's a bad man (bad people for example: Hoskins from "Jurassic World", Alpha from "Men In Black", Koba, Frank Tenpenny and such), and others who see him as a good man who got caught doing bad things for understandable reasons (I call it missing in goodness, or MIG as a wordplay on MIA. Example to missing in goodness characters would be Nick Van Owen, Daenerys Targaryen, Clyde Shelton, Magneto and such). Do you see him as a bad man, or as an MIG? I personally lean toward him being a villainous MIG rather than a shithead like the other killers.
Im aware of that series actually, and most of these characters are sympathetic but i have no opinion on them since i dont watch that show. I'm more into villain who are Pure Evil though but characters like Loki, Killmonger, and Thanos im okay with.
Because PE are more definite, and the audience isn't likely to root for the wrong side. For me, it mostly depends on the quality of the villain, the heroes he/she is antagonize and the quality of the setting (plot, theme and such) overall. From your answer, I see you consider Jamal as missing in goodness, right?
he is based on the Chronos from mythologoy but moree evil and ison this wiki. The only problem of this Kronos is that he may or may not qualify since despite being irredeemable, he did two nice things like doing what his mother (Gaia) wanted him to do by freeing the Cyclopses and the Hekatonkheire (Though only briefly) and fairly rewarded his brothers with rulership over the four corners of the Earth which make him honorable. He even fall in love with Rhea and had kids. But then again, he is a dirty fighter and became more powr hungry and cruel over the years. He even ate his children so he could maintain his power and his love for Rhea didn't stop his evilness. and his two so called Pet the Dog moments might be for Pragmatic villainy sake. So it might be difficutl for him to qualfy as the series is part of a shared universe that has a high heinous standard. One villain tried to commit a catacalysm for example.
I have my own theory on why they keep giving these irredeemable villains some migitating factors. It's becase they trying to cash in the "sympathy villains are better than Pure Evil" crap. Because now a days most people think that a good villains has to be sympathetic and have redeemable factors while ones who are simply monsters are nland, boring, and bad writing which is never the case since they are villains who are Iconic for being Pure Evil. Example; Palpatine, Frieza, Carnage, Joker, and Lord Voldemort. I hate when people think that way, so I geuss is because they also think this way too.
1. Pending. I'll think about the best reply possible and get back to you on Chronos topic.
2. Agree. Redeemable villains and PEs should be set apart, not being mixed up just for a twisted vision. The way I see it, it's not only because of the conception that sympathy is always better. It's also because of the postmodernism illness of sympathizing people who doesn't deserve it just for being a pretty boy about things. I mean, even many tragic villains are hate sinks, so the good people should really stop with their postmodernism and treat villains right.
You know what actually makes me feel betteer whenever a PE character gets some unnecessary redemption or added migitating factors? I make a Fanfic on the villains fanon wiki to make them stay the way they are. For examplw, I've made a fanfic of Vandal Savag based on his original inarnation and the Arrowverse's. Heck I even do ones with villain who weren't actually PE in canon, like I did with Doctor Doom whom I've made from a guy with well intentions and redeeming factors to an irredeemable monster.
1. Chronos sounds like a horrible piece of work, but sadly, i'll vote "no", because he's honorable (rewarding his soldiers and brothers with benefits and power) and maybe in love. I guess the heinous standard of "Percy Jackson" is jacked-up. If you offered the original Chronos, then I would vote "yes", because the original ate his own children and was worse than Zeus. But "Percy Jackson"'s version is more like Hopper than like Mister Sinister.
2. Yeah. Fanfics are a good solution for this kind of error. In my own original stories, however, I keep PE as what they are so no one will have to fix anything. I want people to feel better already. Tell me more about the fanfic you have in mind.
PS: Portraying Shaggy as a clueless reality wrapper is already worn out. Ed from "Ed, Edd n' Eddy" did it before and better.
I'll start with my most iconic villain in the Villains Fanon Wiki. Nekrozoth is the overall main villain of my series I called Multiversal Legends. He was once a mortal named Zoth Nekronan until his lust for power and control gave him the desire to become a god. So he started the Ascension Program which soon turned him into the God of Evil he is today. He is a nihilist who knows he is a fictional character and seek to destroy everything in the omniverse to become a real being so that he could rule our reality. He He leads an empire of darkness and chaos and seeks to obtain the ultimate chaos stones to be all powerful as a way to achieve his goals. is supposed to be the definition of a Complete Monster/Pure Evil, but he is merely a pawn to another villain greater than him named Xorin, and is only rivaled by another villain named Daemos. He won't suffer the poor writing other PE villains suffer which is forced redemption because Nekrozoth hates redemption as he sees it as a mockery to the forces of evil. He once attempted one before he eventually decided that it is weak and for cowards. Nekrozoth sorta like the Thanos/Darkseid of my share universe because he is supposed to be responsible for creating most of the villains in the franchise as well as the baddest of them all. He is also leader of a race of destructive entities known as Prime Omegas who are the evil counterparts to the Prime Alpha who are beings who favored order anc creation. Being and a card-carrying villain, and a genius manipulator, Nekrozoth serves as the archenemy to the Champions (a group of heroes chosen by the Prime Alphas) who ironically is the reason they exist. He is ruthless and incredibly sadistic tyrant who rules over the most despicable, vile, villains across the infinite multiverse on a mission to bring apocalyptic destruction across several universes. Nekrozoth rules his destructive empire under a fascist iron-fist, Nekrozoth controlled the villains as he made (or in this case he merely manipulated) them into committing various atrocities across history. Nekrozoth enslaves races while forcing them to worship him or kill them off if he does find any use for them. Nekrozoth adopted the concepts of social darwinism and supremacy as motivations for his army, as he sees the most disputable and powerful would rise to become supreme while preaching the life of the current infinite multiverse is meaningless as a means to have his loyal minions allow him to destroy the Multiverse and make it in his image without resistance. Nekrozoth himself is motivated by darwinism, power, but most importantly revenge for he wants to eradicate every single alpha and hero to the last before he makes a multiverse where he constantly tortures every single life form until they go extinct so he could make room for his own race that would worship him as a single god.
Xorin is the Greater-Scope Villain of the entire Multiversal Legends franchise, The Man behind the Man to Nekrozoth. Being a evil homage to Satan and Nyarlathotep, Xorin is the leader of the lovecraftian Leviathans who seeks to devour the entire omniverse to become stronger. He was once being a creation of the creator god named B-Sparx/Hollister until his ego and pride was shatter by knowing the existence of a being more powerful than him. So he and the Leviathans seek to eat the omniverse and life in it so they could get stronger and dethrone the Hollister. However he was soon banished from creation due to his acts of defiance and heinous crimes against creation. But he still have influence over the creatures both inside and outside of creation itself. He is a being that might be more evil than Nekrozoth, but yet to be proven. He was also responsible for creating the Chaos Stones which grant the user of these said stones the power of Zentipotence. was scattered across the omniverse which is the mystic ability to embody and do all and more, an ability not even achievable by powerful eldritch beings such as Nekrozoth, He is also nihilistic like Nekrozoth, believing that life is nothing but slaves to the Hollister and saying he is doing life a favor by ending it. He basically embodies both ego, pride, and chaos with a hint of nihilism and serves as a perfect Satanic Archetype for my series.
Barry had far less resources than Dante, Bradley Pride and Envy, but he did the worst he could. And somehow, Dante is still more unlikable than this guy. Delatombe is the kind of villain that look like Father Cornelius on first glance, but his comedic side is played for crawling under people's skins. He's still a scapegoat though, because he was a standard villain who got an agonizing death. I'm the guy who listed him under "Scapegoat", so I would be a hypocrite to vote yes on that one.
Thats true, hell Ireally want to make a proposal but I figured that it woud take A LOT of my tme to do it. Hell even the Legends of the Multi-Universe has it's own CM proposals but they include them in each character's pages at least.
I was thinking of making another fan universe like the one that Im doing with my friend on MArvel. Basically have my own version of the DC universe with Vandal Savage and Darkseid as the main villains.
Yep, Darkseid would be the ultiamate leader of the Legions of Doom while Vandal is the acting leader.. LEx Luthor hould also be a Complete Monster as well (I don't know if I should use CM here since they wanted to be as seperate from TV Tope as possible which I also thin the Villains Fanon Wiki should too).
I was thinking that Nox should make the Wiki seperate from both TV Trope and Villains WIki, yeah TV Trope is reliable but I find his rules that villains in TV Trope has to labled CMs their and not in Villains Fanon which I find kinda dumb (in my opinion at least).
Now back to the topic at hand, I was thinking Savage should be either Heinrich Himmler or the one person Hitler depsise on his ranks named Reinhard Heydrich who is considered the Darkest nazi in the regime that even Hitler himself was disgusted by his actions.
Please vote for both or one of the 2 transparent png pictures of the infobox of Mortal Kombat 11's Kronika the Keeper of Time (including the Lady Kronika-removebg.png picture under the infobox's secondary line named "Crowned" as I personally & honestly recommend).
i've got a question, So when the Josef Heiter PE propusal was out and most of the vote was a yes, yet it became a rejected PE page after it was done, Why is that? is it becuase nobody came up with an explaination of why he should be accepted as P.E. because the proposal was out before the rule of providing explantion when voting became a thing from what i've recall.
It was a approved test to see who's just spam yes and weed out trolls/sockpuppets. A goodnight user or two did it burn agreed it'd not ven offical with regular users and most admins told not to vote, apparently approved on Discord from my understanding.
Wait is there a way to lose the remorse redeeming quality? Or is it permanent? Like if a villain showed remorse for his/her?it's actions but then stops showing it later in the story and became more evil.
I thik I've came across a sockpuppet. His/her name is Newguys145236, He/she recently message me about his/her problem on Idea Wiki and been recently pisturing others through different accounts all begining with Newguys.
luckily the show is on Youtbe, and might use some other Wiki sits (Not gonna use TV Trope though) to help me with the proposal. Right now I'm currently working on it and hopefully no one does it before I do.
Also I like to report on WTCF, he keeps spamming random categories on both Alastor and Sir Pentious's page. THe categories he/she puts has nothing to do with the characters, for example he put brainwashed/possesed on Alastor's page even though in the pilot it was never stated he was brainwashed or possesed. I've told AustinDr, but just in case he doesn't respond or too bussy I might tll you this just in case.
Hey Jester, I'm gonna do another PE proposal on a villain from a book I'm currently reading. His name is Ergent Seth, a alien who wants to eradicate the human race to make room for his own species (Which violates every moral and ethical code extant according to the book, making him not so well intentioned). But firsst he kidnaps children and sells them to slavery Why? Profit anfd misanthropy of course! Also he destroyed the main protagoist's home world, though it was off-screen we get to see the planet badly damaged.
wel I'm still reading the book, The book described the destuction of the Protagonist's home-world that it looks like a waste land. Seth explains that he destroye the planets by using machines too. The book also does not acknolege why he wanted to have his species to dominate the planet Earth other than being a misanthrope, even so, he even commited other crimes that doesn't even come close to being well-intention as in the book listed what he has done like for example he is a drug-dealer that uses children to help him sell them. Heck I don't see the point of selling children to slavery either, hows that going to help his species other than being rich.
I'm almost done woth the book, but Iread somewher all the villains in the Daniel X series (the series Seth came from) are card-carrying villains. Though I mainly got this from TV-Trope so I'm still not suree if it's true, and they DID listed him as such but they did't explain his motive of doing it for his people or being not-so-well intentioned as they just merely explained that he just wanted to "Eradicate humanity". I gonna have to re-read a few chapters in the books to find out, or search up a synopsis. But in the series the main character hates Seth more than his archenemy (which is saying something because Daniel X (the main character) hates this guy named The Prayer/Zeboul who is the main antagonist because he killed his parents and sister).
Also there is another villain I'm thinking of doing wh is named The One Who Is The One, yeah that's his name but he is considered one of the most evil characters in young adult novels. Basically the Adolf Hitler of the US, he is a dictator of the New Order who banned the pratice of any magic and art (Though he himself is a wizard and owns a few works of art himself), he would execute anyone who does so and is a psychpath who would end the world if he can't control it.
Also he vivesects women and children for experiments anf for fun and is a cruel father as he wouldn't care if his son is caught in the cross fire in his plans, he even used his son as a vessel for his soul.
Also naother villain I gonna propose is named El Balde from Seis Manos, he is a power hungry drug lord who in the past cut the tongue of one of the protagonist when he was a child making him a mute. He also imprisoned his dying mother so he could use her tears and flesh to make him stronger. ANd was indirectly responsible for the mass murder in a mexican village through one of his mutated henchmen.
Hey I've been invited to join the other admins in the Villains' Fanon Wiki Admin Wiki where only Admins who are from the Villains Fan Wiki go. Since I'm a admin, I've been allowed to do what I want I going to make a Complete Monster Proposal on my character Nekrozoth.
Hey something strange just happened in FANDOM. I went to this wiki called Fictional Character Fanon Wiki and was randomly elected as bureaucrat by a guy named Nemesislivezx (Who is blocked globally across the wiki). The reason why I have no idea other than saying "I would like you to cooperate with Wiki's Edit. However, I will not say that you will cooperate forcibly".
How do you qualify or be identify a villain as Lawful Evil? Because I've made a villain on the villains fanon wiki who acts chaotic but I put him on the lawful evil category due to his goals and his hatred towards freedom.
I'm not great with alignments but to my understanding Lawful Evil is fotbtjose count who seek to create and enforce a strong/oppressive government that they will use said oppressive laws to enforce their goals. Could be wrong but that's my understanding.
Jester, just gonna let you know that I might take a break from Villains Wiki for a while. This wiki so far hasn't brought me satisfaction today recently, and when the new PE rule came out it gave me more reasons to leave for a while. I'm glad I'm in the list but the new rule kinda bothers me a bit. So I decided to take a break to clear my mind.
Actually I've changed my mind. Knowing myself I don't always stay true to my words, plus I'm just to addicted to this wiki because there is at least this wiki is more entertaining than the other wikis. Besides it gets boring when I get to the other wikis because there is bearly anyone on those wiki.