Hi there, it's been a while! I hope you've been well. There was just something I had been starting to wonder lately, and I figured if anything might know this, you would. A while ago, I noticed that one of the characters you intended to possibly do an effort-post on in the future was this guy named Kharlan from The Heroic Legend of Arslan. I haven't watched it myself, but I've looked up some information about it due to it being somewhat similar to other shows I have seen, and there's this other character from it named Bodin who seems pretty awful. If you've seen it at all yet, do you think he could potentially qualify for the CM/PE trope/category, or does he either have some sort of positive quality or is insufficiently heinous? Plus, despite sounding pretty ruthless, isn't Kharlan also supposed to be unfailingly loyal to Silver Mask, which would be a disqualifier? If it's one of those shows you mean to watch, but haven't yet, nevermind, but even if you haven't, I'd still like to know why Kharlan seems like the most likely candidate. I'm just curious, that's all.
Alright then. Part of what made me curious in the first place is that I noticed Kharlan was already listed as Pure Evil here, but if you haven't seen it yet, is it safe to assume you didn't propose or put him up? Even though I haven't seen it either, I've been thinking of trying to do a Removal Proposal for him since I'm not sure he was even properly proposed to begin with. Would you have any issues with that?
Sure. Be my guest... I'll admit the reason why I haven't watch Arslan Senki yet because of laziness on my part (Sorry about it... This is the disease that I want to fight but can't). However, I'm currently working and trying at my best at cleaning my bloated to-do list on tv tropes and hopefully I can get into Arslan Senki soon enough if laziness won't come in the way
It's fine that you haven't seen it yet. Besides, you have a pretty big list of works you intend to see, which can be difficult to get around to, especially if you're busy otherwise. I just wanted to make sure I'd inquired with you about Kharlan before suggesting a removal since you seemed to at least be considering proposing him in the future, which made me uncertain if you actually knew if he qualified or not. Plus, I was just curious about Bodin, since based on what I read, he seemed even worse, and therefore, an even more likely candidate. I guess this all means that as of now, you were simply speculating that Kharlan might qualify?
Yep. Hmmm...Bodin, might gonna change my to-do list and thanks for a reminder.
Have to admit that another reason why I want to EP someone from Arslan Senki is because I wouldn't mind having a Hiromu Arakawa keeper and I know this series thanks to the guy who told me that Susumu Hirasawa's music would fit nicely with the anime when I was a Google+ user
Well that's an interesting reason. I actually didn't know who that was until you mentioned her, but apparently, she also did Fullmetal Alchemist, so I feel a little ashamed about that. Obviously, I myself can only speculate myself on the probability of there being any keepers from it since I've only read about it, but it definitely seems like it could have a keeper or two. Bodin just seems like one of the most likely characters to qualify, but I could be wrong. Other than him, I'd also suggest keeping an eye on Gadevi, one of the dueling princes/brothers of the Kingdom of Shindra, when you get around to watching it, since he's the other one who seems like he might qualify. But again, that's just speculation on my part.
I must comment though, I'm surprised you heard about it through someone commenting that Susumu Hirasawa's music would go well with it; for obvious reasons, whenever I think of his Electronica style, I think of psychological thrillers and the like. It's harder to imagine it being paired up with a historical action/adventure series like Arslan, but then again, he apparently did also do the soundtrack for Berserk, which Arslan is supposed to be a lot like, except definitely less dark and bloody, so maybe it would be well-suited. It's just hard to imagine when my own exposure to his music comes solely from works like Millenium Actress, Paranoia Agent and Paprika.
I have read the book Tess of the D'Urbervilles, and I have something to add about its Complete Monster, Alec D'Urberville. In Chapter 10, Tess, the main heroine, gets into a scuffle with some women before Alec "rescues" her so he can take her into a forest and violate her. The thing I would like to add is how one of the women says "Out of the frying pan and into the fire!" after Alec "saves" Tess. This implies that Alec has sexually assaulted more than a few women, further cementing himself as a Complete Monster. I thought it would be nice to add to his writeup.
Robett: The evil is in his blood. He is a bastard born of rape. A Snow, no matter what the boy king says.
Wyman: Was snow ever so black? Ramsay took Lord Hornwood's lands by forcibly wedding his widow, then locked her in a tower and forgot her. It is said she ate her own fingers in her extremity ... and the Lannister notion of king's justice is to reward her killer with Ned Stark'slittle girl.
Robett: The Boltons have always been as cruel as they are cunning, but this one seems a beast in human skin.
You cannot survive. To create my paradise, all you humans and Digimon must be exterminated. But don't fret, I will give you eternal happiness. Since you won't accept me as your master, I have no choice to wipe the slate clean.
~ Lucemon Chaos Mode to the Digidestined and their Digimon friends.
Do you mind suggesting these potential CMs from An American Tail: The Treasure of Manhattan Island considering they were approved as Pure Evil on this wiki? I was banned for poor reasons, so if you could suggest these, it would mean a lot to me. Don't worry, I'll send you links to their effort posts.
First it's the main villain trio of Mr. Grasping, Mr. Toplofty (Tony Jay), and Mr. O'Bloat:
There is a german version of the full film on Youtube for free (albeit low-quality). If that doesn't work for you, it costs $3.99 on Youtube, Amazon Prime, Vudu, and Google Play, or it can be found on Netflix.
An American Tail: The Treasure of Manhattan Island is the third movie released in the American Tail franchise. It apparently takes place after film 1 and retcons film 2 by saying it was just a dream. The film begins with main character, mouse Fievel Mousekewitz and his cat friend Tiger exploring an underground train tunnel found by their mouse friend Tony. After this, Tony tries sneaking back to his job at a cheese production factory since he is late. There, he encounters the trio of CMs I will discuss.
Who are they?
Mr. Grasping (rat voiced by Ron Perlman), Mr. O'Bloat (rat), and Mr. Toplofty (mouse voiced by Tony Jay) are the three despicable owners of the factory that Tony works at.
What do they do?
Their first appearance shows them on a couch carried by servants (more like slaves) and looks like what the Celestial Dragons do in One Piece. They almost fire Tony, but Mr. Mousekewitz, Fievel's dad, convinces them not to only by appealing to their egos via saying fear will produce better workers.
In their next appearance, they are laughing with Dirty Cop Police Chief McBrusque over how they pay him to violently beat immigrants. Mr. Scuttlebutt, an assistant to archeologist Dr. Dithering, is revealed to be on the trio's payroll and tells the trio of a treasure map because he overheard Fievel and Tony discussing the train tunnel.
Later, we see a riot going on because of how Grasping, Toplofty, and O'Bloat force the mouse workers in the cheese factory work 3x harder for the same pay. To stop this, they have McBrusque violently beat a worker. It is dark; the beating is played dead seriously and the worker is left barely alive.
Eventually, Fievel and his friends discover a tribe of Lenape Indians living in the train tunnel beneath NYC. The chief sends his daughter Cholena to explore the outside world with Fievel & co. The trio get wind of this and are immediately panicked. However, they come up with an idea: portray the Lenape Indians as enemies of both the workers and themselves to trick the workers into forgetting about work issues. Their song "Friends of the Working Mouse" has them sing about making the workers their slaves so they can rule like tyrants.
Mr. Grasping, Mr. Toplofty, and Mr. O'Bloat stir up fear in the workers about the Native Americans, leading to a massive mob. Dr. Dithering is almost executed, but Fievel's father talks sense into the crowd, convincing them that the business owners are the enemies. The workers attempt to go after the trio, but the trio order McBrusque to turn the Lenape camp sight into a burial ground.
McBrusque, his officers, and Scuttlebutt are defeated while trying to invade the Lenape campsite. The Lenape chief wants Fievel & co. to detonate a small gasoline bomb near the entrance to the train tunnel. McBrusque and Scuttlebutt try to attack them, but the bomb detonates, causing the two to die via falling into a chasm that is quickly overrun with water.
The end shows that Fievel's father formed a worker's union and forced Mr. Grasping, Mr. Toplofty, and Mr. O'Bloat to agree or otherwise face a strike and possible bankruptcy. While they do get off easy in this film, it is implied in the next film An American Tail: Mystery of the Night Monster, they put workers in a clothing factory in conditions that had no air or water, but they were taken down by investigative journalist Nellie Brie.
None. They mention making a large donation to Dr. Dithering's museum only to get Scuttlebutt on their payroll so he can find valuable objects for them. They show no care for one another and are disgusting, smug, and greedy. Mr. O'Bloat is more humorous than the other two, but he still happily goes along with the horrible crimes committed.
I believe they count. They put workers in horrible conditions, have policemen beat protestors to near-death, attempt to start a race war against innocent Native Americans, and try to have an entire Lenape tribe murdered out of spite for having their plan fail. The fact they are mice and not cats like Warren T. Cat from film 1 makes them more heinous to me. Plus, it's implied they have been ordering assaults on immigrants for years in their dialogue with McBrusque.
I think they count, but please put it on the subpages for people to decide. Thank you.