Hi El-Ocsed, how's it goin'? Sorry to disturb you, but I need your help. Could you please help me remove 2 redundant useless categories, both the copycats "Sadist" and "Evil Prince" from all other pages while I go help rewrite a few other pages in need of fixin'? Thanks in advance.
You're done it. Awesome job, man. Thank you for your help. Really. I wish that user Kyurem147 could be more like you, ya know, helpin' out his fellow users instead of just busy upoadin' photos all the time & "callin' dips on who gets to create next page first". Anyway, Thank you, El-Ocsed.
Well, thanks, I'm grateful that you put so much effort in this, however I think you're mistaken. While I indeed did edit the Electro page a few times, it wasn't me who asked that, but B1bl1kal. I was the one who added the category Scapegoat and removed the category Complete Monster.
Do you think Emmy Altava can be an example of From Nobody to Nightmare?. It is said that Emmy's parents are died until Leon taught her fighting and spying skill, which then become a deadly spy in Azran Legacy and threaten to slash his friend's neck. For me, as betrayer, she is completely eviler than Descole, albeit for a while.
Yes, I think she can be considered that. While she did redeem very quickly and may not be considered a "nightmare" for that reason, she definately did start as nobody to become a dangerous fighter in the end. I think that actegory can stay.
I recently see that you remove Emmy Altava from MEH because she redeem herself. Anyway, you better check or fix her page in case the last time i edit it i feel that i made her looks crueler than Descole.
Honestly, i was though that she crosses meh due to shocked with the fact that she threatened to kill Luke, someone whom she befriend with.
Okay, I will check her page. About the MEH, you are basically right, in any other case that would truly be shocking enough to count as a MEH crossing, but as soon as a character redeems themselves, even the horrible acts do not count anymore, as someone who crosses the MEH cannot be redeemed.
Yes, as that is the point of crossing the MEH. Crossing the MEH usually means commiting an act so horrible that audience and heroes know that this person is beyond redemtion and probably will not be trusted anymore, even if they tried to redeem themselves. However, the Professor still trusted Emmy, since Luke told him she released him, so she quickly redeemed herself.
El-Ocsed wrote: Yes, as that is the point of crossing the MEH. Crossing the MEH usually means commiting an act so horrible that audience and heroes know that this person is beyond redemtion and probably will not be trusted anymore, even if they tried to redeem themselves. However, the Professor still trusted Emmy, since Luke told him she released him, so she quickly redeemed herself.
Also I need help could one of you include links to the people I added to the moral event horizon
He has at least some good qualities, like the already mentioned care for Micheals family. You see, he is for example in some categories that contradict CMs, for example Protective Villains, Evil VS Evil, Comedic Villains, etc. If one is in these categories, they can NEVER be a Complete Monster, no matter what they do.
I'm not so sure if Evil vs. Evil is the case...I recall a villain by the name of MaloMyotismon who brutally murdered and tortured his loyal minion for the Evulz, then incinerated his other minion for trying to avenge her.
Evil vs Evil is not a redeeming quality, it just means they go against other villains, it doesn't mean they have good in them. Also Trevor even if he does care for micheal and his family, but that does not excuse his messed up behavior. And comedic villains is the same thing, even if they are funny they can still be downright horrible.
Plus Trevor showed no remorse or care for anyone(except micheals family), he killed johny because he was pissed at him for having sex with his girlfriend. And maybe he isn't a complete monster, but his actions are too horrible to ignore. And I compared him to Patrick star and people are saying that Patrick is almost as horrible as Trevor, but hes just an idiot, I don't care about that statement in the card, it was an ambigious statement.
Even if Evil VS Evil and Comedic Villains are not necessarily redeeming qualities on their own, if someone is in MANY of these categories, in combination they can for sure mean they are not a CM. I agree that Trevors actions are definitely absolutely horrible, but as you said, he still doesn't necessarily have to be a CM. Either way, Patrick Star is in no way a Complete Monster, so if Trevor is considered as horrible as Patrick, neither of them is.
And one more thing where I find Trevor's antics horrifying, I find Patrick's antics hilarious, but there were the few times where I outright hated him( more specifically pet sitter pat and yours mine and mine). But personally I feel like it's no different from what he usually does its just worse, I'm not excusing it. I know he can be dark, but he's never made the episode that serious.
The Duke did almost nothing evil in the movie. Hans however, flirted with Anna just to become king, without any interest in her. He pretended to be good, to turn out as a power hungry liar and attempted murderer in the end, he is the last one the protagonists have to fight, he has more screentime than the Duke, so he is CLEARLY the main villain.