For the sake of not changing the articles of Oswald and Nygma back and forth, let us discuss this here. The hallucination is nothing more than that. It is created by Nygma with drugs, as he is not yet ready to lose his friend entirely. However, over the course of the episode his actions and comments by Lucius Fox make him realize that he is his own man. He then drops the pills he uses for to get the hallucination in the same spot he dumped Penguin, which symbolizes that he is leaving Oswald and Oswald's memory behind. The hallucination vanishes, further proving this.
Meanwhile, Oswald is still recovering and seems to wake up for the first time in weeks. He then realizes what happened and decides to get revenge on Nygma. He did not have this planned before, he really loved Nygma. How should he even have created the hallucination? He was recovering from his serious wound all the time.
This is where I think you are wrong, and many others seem to agree with me, neverless of this conflict. Nygma's pills revealed Nygma a hallucination of Oswald, which acts as Oswald's ghost kinda thing. Oswald said right near the end that 'he remembers' he has to kill somebody, and laughed due to his sucess about turning Nygma into his enemy. Next, Penguin will probalby overthrow him. That is Penguin's plot, behind love; to turn him into a criminal, and use him, or otherwise, kill him. Oswald's hallucination even gave Nygma a few hints about that, such as the song which said 'I wake up alone', or the fact the hillucination said that 'there is no Nygma without Penguin'.
I doubt it. Oswald laughs at the and because he remembers that Nygma betrayed and shot him. There is no mention of success in any case, he merely sees the chance to get revenge. I agree that Penguin will try to kill Nygma and vice versa, but the hallucination had nothing to do with it. The hallucination is only part of Nygma's psyche. It only happens when he throws in drugs and vanishes after Nygma symbolically ends the 'relationship' ( both with Penguin and the drugs)'. Oswald is no magician, he cannot simply produce thoughs in Nygma's head, especially not when he is noted to not having been conscious for weeks and having to recover from his severe wounds. That is Nygma's mind only, similar to the "Evil Version" of him that appeared in the first two seasons as a kind of mentor.
And I'm reminding you that Nygma's hallucinations are real characters of their own. Once Nygma summons Penguin's hallucination, he is guided by Penguin himself, as both characters are connected. It's enough that Nygma does that 'magic', and Oswald is truely part of Nygma. The reason he laughed is success, because they are the same character, but only different versions of it.
And another fact is that The Penguin talked to Nygma as if he was a ghost. He tried to convince Nygma, against his will, into being a new Penguin like criminal. Because Nygma chose to go the other way, the living Penguin decided to kill him earlier, and felt his own sucess on brainwashing Nygma, one way or another.
They are NOT characters of their own. No matter how detailed their personality is displayed, they are not individuals. The Evil Nygma was only able to take over Nygma's body (stealing Kringle's corpse, etc.) because the Good Nygma and the Bad Nygma represented that Nygma was torn between the good and the bad side, with the evil side eventually taking over.
This is partially the same with the Oswald hallucination. It represents the feelings Nygma still has for Oswald and the guilt he feels for the murder. However, he leaves that behind as well, he even states that he will become his own man without the memory of Oswald hanging over him. Dropping the pills (and the hallucination vanishing) symbolizes exactly that.
Oswald, however, is not controling anything, he is not even cunning enough for that. He was even tricked by a hallucination of his own (Clayface acting as Elijah's ghost). As Ivy remarks, he has just woken up from his comatose state and he then immediately remembers what has happened and, being the character he is, intends to get revenge. I'm afraid I cannot see anything more to the situation, especially not Oswald using psychic powers to turn Nygma into... into what exactly?
A criminal, which can either be The Riddler or a new version of The Penguin. Oswald wanted to turn Nygma either into a foe or friend, and then kill him after he served his sentince. That is why he was clever enough to say 'you need me Edward Nygma, just as I need you. you cannot have one without the other'. Oswald didn't really care about Nygma, as he only treated him like a toy.
No! He definitely loved Nygma, that is exactly why he now hates him so. Oswald is a deeply egoistical and spiteful man and had Nygma's girlfriend killed out of jealousy, hoping to win Nygma for himself. Now that Nygma found out and tried to kill Oswald for it, Oswald wants revenge again because Nygma "murdered" him.
Maybe other users who have watched the show can give their take on this problem, it is clear that neither of us is able to change the others' mind.
Here is my opinion, and I don't know if this may solve it, but I am trying to help.
In my opinion, Oswald who appeared in Nygma's hallucination is indeed merely a hallucination of Nygma himself who took pills. I think Nygma was losing himself after killing Oswald, and thus he took pills to calm himself which was the main cause for him being hallucinated by an illusion of Oswald. It was not the first time we see Nygma haunted by a hallucination, first time a evil counterpart of himself and then Oswald, proving that Nygma went insane once again after knowing Penguin had Isabella killed.
What is more, if Oswald created the hallucination to haunt Nygma, why did he not reveal to Nygma that he was saved by Ivy in order to break Nygma even more? Instead, the hallucination Oswald said that Nygma killed him, which is in fact due to Nygma's own belief that Oswald was killed by him, whereas the real Oswald was rested inside Ivy's house. According to Ivy herself, Oswald was in comatose for days before he awakened, and I see no connections between this and the vanishing of the hallucination. The vanishing of the hallucination was a clear sign that Nygma overcame the pain caused by his crime of successfully murdering Penguin (or so he thought), dropping the pills and went on his own remorseless path as a criminal, thus finally becoming the Riddler.
I have to echo what both Officer and Grizzhly have said it seems far more likely to simply be hallucinations than any real form of haunting. Penguin has shown in the past a genuine bond with Nygma and jealousy over the fact he would of dated Isabella over him to the point he set her up to die and purposely tried to avoid letting Nygma get killed when he was under the impression Barbara, Butch and Tabitha would kill him to prove he cared for Nygma. The whole "you need me" to me came off as both an attempt to say that they complete one another and blong together along with Penguin's desire to also live not to mold Nygma into a enemy but the exact opposite.
From what I've seen I doubt Penguin is intelligent enough to create pills to give any specific hallucinations or in any form "haunt" him other than the fact Nygma was already upset over the events leading to Penguin's supposed death.
Well, first of all, technically, Dr. Zander Rice is the leader of The Reavers, as he formed them with money, and they have all plenged their loyalty to him. Donald Pierce is just their field commander and operative, but Dr. Zander Rice was their leader, despite being Donald's boss and employer. Second, X-24 has no free will, and in one scene, it is shown that Zander had control over his mind, much like Caliban did for a moment (therefor, X-24 killed a few Reavers, with no control). That is why Zander had to get X-24 recovered (despite X-24's slight injuries). Third, Donald Pierce and X-24 werent conspirators, as the one was only a mindless slave for their boss, and the other was a mercenary on duty. Fourth; Zander said a few more things than "simple control over mutants, for the good of his father". He said that he wants to exploit their powers for business. Fifth; these pages were correct before hand, and your mistake was to ruin the storyline. I still hope you've learnt from it, and honestly, I'm too kind to tell you all this. Further contributions of yours can cause quite a large edit conflict, and furthermore I do kindly suggest that instead of ruining these articles, you might as well add your own reliable information. I know you might disagree, but the reliable information will expand in better ways if you stop ruining the article and removing info. Thankyou.
Dr. Rice is the leader and employer of the Reavers. As you stated "he formed them with money" and all of them were only working for him because he was paying them. The Reavers are even stated in oen of the scenes at the farm to be ex-military mercenaries. Both leader and employer are correct, but employer is more specific.
I'm not sure if X-24 counts as brainwashed, because he never had free will at all and was specifically created to be loyal to Dr. Zander, but X-24's main defining traits are that he is a laboratory-grown clone of Wolverine.
My edits to Dr. Zander's infobox and opening paragraph were to clean it up. If you need a case-by-case justification, here you go:
Dr. Zander is not really the "supreme" leader of the Reavers. "Supreme" isn't a fitting adjective to describe the leader/employer of a group of mercenaries.
You put Project Transigen in italics. Italics only apply to ship names and names of media. They do not apply to projects or studies.
There is only one movie titled "Logan" so you don't need to put "2017" next to it. You also don't need to bolden it.
Essex Corp isn't tyrannical as they are a Non-Governmental Organization and aren't shown to hold any authority over anyone aside from their employees and creations.
Zander Rice and Dale Rice have different names, so you don't need to add "Sr" and "Jr" next to them.
The rest of my edits were to neaten out each summary. You sat that I ruined the story, but I only combined sentences to make it more smooth. I was not removing info, only shortening it to make it easier to read.
The rest of the things you mentioned weren't even edits I made. I also noticed that below my message on your message wall is another message complaining about your editing skills and how you apparently don't have a full understanding of the specific events in stories. While I don't know if these claims are substantiated, if they are, then you're really one to talk for "ruining" pages.
Alright, I agreed to some points of yours, however, The Villains Wiki does have it's own rules for editing pages, as many pages here do have more content and addons thn needed. I suggest we leave the page now as it is, and I will check your edits within time. And about X-24, there was a scene when Zander Rice did control him and command him through a computer. I will fix mistakes, but I ask you to not cause a mess on the page, by changing it's content and decreasing it. Thankyou.
And also, claiming that youv'e cleaned up these pages, I have seen no spelling mistakes here, as I have made an effort and sat on it for hours with my team. I ask you one more time, please do not vandalize. And honestly, I'm loosing my patience here.
Your team? You have a team to look over pages with you?
Also, I committed no vandalism. I simply reworded the history section to be more smooth. That's not vandalism. Also, cleanup doesn't just apply to correcting spelling mistakes. It also can apply to neatening out pages and formatting them.
I'm losing my patience too. You hover around these pages like a hawk and accuse me of vandalism and "ruining info" whenever I try to improve them.
I'm not trying to troll you or harrass you or anything, but we need to talk about your choice of grammar. I appreciate that you want to contribute in wikia pages as much as the next guy but in my opinion there have been a few mistakes in your work. First, when you're talking about a character, don't use their gender pronoun, even if it is on the character's page because it's going to be confusing about who yo're talking about,. Second and I don't think you have a full understanding of the events, I think you have the general idea of what's going on, but when it comes to specifics you seem to be mixed up. I'm not trying to bully you and you have everyright to tell me off about the errors I make on my edits and even the fact that I'm not an administrator, but I hope you try to understand what I'm trying to say to you, Have a nice day.