FANDOM

A FANDOM user
  Loading editor
  • What's the difference between the central antagonist and the main antagonist?

      Loading editor
    • A FANDOM user
        Loading editor
  • Hi. My name is BrittalCroftFan. Do you like Casper?

      Loading editor
  • For the sake of not changing the articles of Oswald and Nygma back and forth, let us discuss this here. The hallucination is nothing more than that. It is created by Nygma with drugs, as he is not yet ready to lose his friend entirely. However, over the course of the episode his actions and comments by Lucius Fox make him realize that he is his own man. He then drops the pills he uses for to get the hallucination in the same spot he dumped Penguin, which symbolizes that he is leaving Oswald and Oswald's memory behind. The hallucination vanishes, further proving this.

    Meanwhile, Oswald is still recovering and seems to wake up for the first time in weeks. He then realizes what happened and decides to get revenge on Nygma. He did not have this planned before, he really loved Nygma. How should he even have created the hallucination? He was recovering from his serious wound all the time.

      Loading editor
    • View all 10 replies
    • Here is my opinion, and I don't know if this may solve it, but I am trying to help.

      In my opinion, Oswald who appeared in Nygma's hallucination is indeed merely a hallucination of Nygma himself who took pills. I think Nygma was losing himself after killing Oswald, and thus he took pills to calm himself which was the main cause for him being hallucinated by an illusion of Oswald. It was not the first time we see Nygma haunted by a hallucination, first time a evil counterpart of himself and then Oswald, proving that Nygma went insane once again after knowing Penguin had Isabella killed.

      What is more, if Oswald created the hallucination to haunt Nygma, why did he not reveal to Nygma that he was saved by Ivy in order to break Nygma even more? Instead, the hallucination Oswald said that Nygma killed him, which is in fact due to Nygma's own belief that Oswald was killed by him, whereas the real Oswald was rested inside Ivy's house. According to Ivy herself, Oswald was in comatose for days before he awakened, and I see no connections between this and the vanishing of the hallucination. The vanishing of the hallucination was a clear sign that Nygma overcame the pain caused by his crime of successfully murdering Penguin (or so he thought), dropping the pills and went on his own remorseless path as a criminal, thus finally becoming the Riddler.

        Loading editor
    • I have to echo what both Officer and Grizzhly have said it seems far more likely to simply be hallucinations than any real form of haunting. Penguin has shown in the past a genuine bond with Nygma and jealousy over the fact he would of dated Isabella over him to the point he set her up to die and purposely tried to avoid letting Nygma get killed when he was under the impression Barbara, Butch and Tabitha would kill him to prove he cared for Nygma. The whole "you need me" to me came off as both an attempt to say that they complete one another and blong together along with Penguin's desire to also live not to mold Nygma into a enemy but the exact opposite.

      From what I've seen I doubt Penguin is intelligent enough to create pills to give any specific hallucinations or in any form "haunt" him other than the fact Nygma was already upset over the events leading to Penguin's supposed death.

        Loading editor
    • A FANDOM user
        Loading editor
  • Could you please point out the "mistakes" I made on the Dr. Zander Rice (X-Men Movies) page because I fail see any.

      Loading editor
    • View all 6 replies
    • And also, claiming that youv'e cleaned up these pages, I have seen no spelling mistakes here, as I have made an effort and sat on it for hours with my team. I ask you one more time, please do not vandalize. And honestly, I'm loosing my patience here.

        Loading editor
    • Your team? You have a team to look over pages with you?

      Also, I committed no vandalism. I simply reworded the history section to be more smooth. That's not vandalism. Also, cleanup doesn't just apply to correcting spelling mistakes. It also can apply to neatening out pages and formatting them.

      I'm losing my patience too. You hover around these pages like a hawk and accuse me of vandalism and "ruining info" whenever I try to improve them.

        Loading editor
    • A FANDOM user
        Loading editor
  • HuxRen123,

     I'm not trying to troll you or harrass you or anything, but we need to talk about your choice of grammar. I appreciate that you want to contribute in wikia pages as much as the next guy but in my opinion there have been a few mistakes in your work. First, when you're talking about a character, don't use their gender pronoun, even if it is on the character's page because it's going to be confusing about who yo're talking about,. Second and I don't think you have a full understanding of the events, I think you have the general idea of what's going on, but when it comes to specifics you seem to be mixed up. I'm not trying to bully you and you have everyright to tell me off about the errors I make on my edits and even the fact that I'm not an administrator, but I hope you try to understand what I'm trying to say to you, Have a nice day.

    IblisTheEternalSunGod

      Loading editor
    • A FANDOM user
        Loading editor
  • Hi, welcome to Villains Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the Clouse (Ninjago) page.

    Please leave me a message if I can help with anything!

      Loading editor
    • A FANDOM user
        Loading editor
Give Kudos to this message
You've given this message Kudos!
See who gave Kudos to this message
Community content is available under CC-BY-SA unless otherwise noted.