since we are both Buffy fans (or at least know of the show) I thought I'd share a concern I had lately..
Richard Wilkins was added the lawful evil and while I can see why one would see that I'd argue he's Neutral Evil because while he does have a very strong code he will do absolutely anything to get power, whether it be working with law or chaos.. he is solely devoted to evil.. like many warlocks he will break or form deals as needed and is motived by a need for power.
what's your view?
I say it is especially evident as Wilkins final goal is to become a full-demon and kill everyone, that's not lawful.. most Buffy villains are very much either chaotic evil or neutral evil in my view.. the whole "forces of darkness" thing ensured that most of Buffy's big bads are worshippers of evil.. which means they value evil itself over law or chaos.. I'd say Wilkins is a devoted worshipper of evil itself.. law or chaos, doesn't matter.. he serves evil.. full-stop.
Of what I remember while he worshipped evil he apparently just wanted to eat the school to complete his ascension with the end goal of taking over the world and believing it’d be better off. I’ve read apparently the actor tried to add a line on finding the Boy Scouts annoying to which the creator stepped in and told everyone Wilkins likes the kids and believes they are indeed the future.
Most of the chaos he allowed seemed due to favors/deals he had to do per original pact. He even mentioned how he kept his promises and threatened one vampire who claimed he did a Wilkins a favor when Buffy killed he shouldn’t do any more “favors”. I do agree the vast majority fall in chaotic or neutral but Wilkins is one I lean a bit more to lawful given he’s been abusing power yet trying to keep his deals.
There's an announcement about new rules over at the Heroes Wiki, and I was wondering if I could please get permission to propose them here.
One of these problems is the antagonist fussing. I'm aware that those rules have been added already, but I now have a feeling that they need to become more extreme because of problems concerning "central antagonist" and "secondary antagonist". I've seen these problems with the Professor Zündapp article; users were edit-warring on his role in Cars 2. The term "main antagonist" is becoming a problem, too, considering that users are edit-warring on Queen Chrysalis being the "overall main antagonist", "one of the main antagonists", or a "major antagonist", of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic. In the former case, it led to Zündapp's article getting locked. There was even edit-warring on Zhan Tiri being the "overarching antagonist" or "main antagonist" of Tangled: The Series, even though that case has closed.
If I recall correctly, those rules only went as far as to terms such as "true main villain" or "hidden secondary antagonist". In other words, making it appear that a work made it look like Villain A is the villain only to hide that Villain B is the villain, or in simpler terms, a misinformation campaign, which is misinformation itself. It also went as far as to disallowing terms like "tertiary antagonist", "quaternary antagonist", "quinary antagonist", and "senary antagonist".
However, it didn't go as far as to removing antagonistic labels altogether from this wiki, which is one of the things I want to propose. If Heroes Wiki has placed this rule, I feel that this wiki may very well have to do the same. RRabbit42 made a strong argument about protagonist fussing (which is very similar to what antagonist fussing is) over at the Heroes Wiki, and you might want to talk with him about it as he is a very trustworthy user.
Thank you for telling me about this, and I sincerely hope you have a great Independence Day. Also, do you mind if I personally talk with RRabbit42 about it? If not, then that's okay. I'm glad we discussed this.
This is a list of villains who I believe should be approved and why:
1. Cyrus Kriticos from Thir13n Ghosts. Cyrus is PE because of the fact that he enslaved and tortured 12 restless spirits and attempted to murder a living human of pure heart to use their energy to obtain unlimited power and knowledge.
2. Drex from Henry Danger. He used The Time Jerker's Time Machine to go back to when Ray became indestructible, and tried to prevent Ray from getting densitized, preventing him from becoming a superhero, and putting the entire city in danger, and free for the villains to take over. He also has no redeeming qualities, has a vicious and evil personality, and is likely, the most evil and powerful villain Kid Danger and Captain Man have ever faced. With Ray even admitting that he would have been killed by him if he was not indestructible.
3. Golobulus from G. I. Joe the movie. He sent Cobra Commander (who is revealed to be a subterranean nobleman from Cobra-La), to conquering the world for Cobra-La. However, Cobra Commander's repeated failures caused Golobulus to use a Psychic Motivator on Doctor Mindbender to create Serpentor. He even plotted to use the BET to launch mutative spores into the atmosphere to mutate humanity into mindless beasts and take over the world. Not to mention, he mercilessly mutated CC and forced him to suffer as he was slowly turning into a snake in both body and mind (don't worry, he goes back to normal later in the 90's).
4. Mitch Hiller from Enough. He is the abusive husband of Slim and abusive father of Gracie. He wanted to have an open relationship with Slim whether she liked it or not, and would beat her if she tried to stand up for herself. He also sent his mercenary friends to kill Slim and bring Gracie back to him.
5. Nicol Bolas from Magic: The Gathering. He is an evil dragon god who not only wants to rule the entire multiverse, but sires whole races and populates entire planes just so he can hunt them all into extinction for his own sick amusement.
6. Tharizdun from Dungeons & Dragons. He is an all powerful god who went insane and wanted to destroy the entire multiverse and remake it in his own image. He also created the Abyss (which makes him responsible for the creation of the Demons and Demon Lords (such as Demogorgon)) and it literally took gods of both good and evil alignment to imprison him.
7. Omega from Ninjago. The Omega was the supreme ruler of the entire Oni race who sought to conquer all 16 realms by petrifying the inhabitants and destroying the everything they touched. It literally took the reforged golden weapons, and the Ninja and Garmadon to form a Tornado of Creation to vanquish the Omega and his army.
8. Dr. Robotnik from the 2020 Sonic the Hedgehog movie. Although played by Jim Carry and has some humorous moments, Robotnik hates humanity and believes no one is superior to him, and cares little about the destruction he brings or who he terrorizes. When he discovered Sonic's power via a quill, he planned to betray the military and capture Sonic for himself so he could use his power to take over the world.
9. Storm King from My Little Pony: The Movie. Although he is childish and goofy in some scenes, he is considered one of the two most evil villains in MLP: FiM (alongside King Sombra). Due to the fact that he is a tyrannical overlord who enslaved Canterlot and captured the four princesses to obtain their power and use it to rule the entire world and spread eternal suffering and missery. He also has no remorse for any of his actions and doesn't care about his servants, as he attempted to kill Tempest for outliving her usefulness.
If you don't agree with any of them, just let me know.
Of the the ones I know which isn’t a lot is no to Omega as the series doesn’t really play with a lot of it as quite serious enough, Henry Danger isn’t serious enough either. Of the ones I know Cyrus I can see counting albeit barely and Golobulus can count as well.
Robotnik and Storm asking also don’t count, played too much for comedy. Some shows will have heinous characters on paper but the story not playing it with enough gravity which was the issues with the ones before and the last two. Doesn’t help the last two are also treated and more it the standard “trying to conquer the world” and “kill the heroes” which is considered by itself standard villainy unless very graphic.
Tharizdun I’m only concerned because of the massive Heinous Standard, not familiar with Magic: The Gathering so not sure worth Bolas and Mitch not sure due to never hearing about it but lean slightly to no.
Well if you ever have the opportunity, check to see if you can watch Enough online, it's a movie that exploits the serious issue of spousal abuse to make an illogical, unintelligent thriller. And maybe check out MtG for yourself and read up on the characters and the lore. But only if you want to look into these villains, it's entirely up to you.
Thank you for your honest opinion and Happy Independence Day!
Jester, did you plagiarize your own pages? When i saw your pages being somewhat plagiarized; one from Villains Wiki and the other from Heroes Wiki, your pages weren't deleted while plagiarism is forbidden.
Yeah two of my pages were taken to the heroes wiki but given we are sister wikis I tend to lenient if simply transferred from here to there as long as the one from here was original (I know for a fact the two I had were) or vice versa. Any other page from any other site would be deleted but given I was the original with two grey zone characters and the two sites being sister sites I allowed my two pages to be essentially transferred but annoyed no one even considered just asking me to transfer it.
Hi Jester. I hope this is okay, but I have some things I feel I need to ask you about. Lately, it feels like I've been seeing more conflicts amongst the admins lately. For example, it seems like some of the others have been clashing with B1bl1kal over his methods of dealing with things. I know administrators are not always going to be on the same page, but I have yet to see it come to a head like it did quite recently on this particular thread. Is this normal, and has it happened before, or should I be worried about this?
And that's not all. If it were just that, I probably wouldn't have felt the need to bring it up, but now it appears that Queen Misery is taking an indefinite hiatus from FANDOM altogether for personal reasons. Again, is this unusual, or has this sort of thing happened before? Finally, and this is what really convinced me to say something to someone, but it appears Inferno Pendragon has suddenly decided to call it quits. As of the time of this typing, this is the last message he left, coincidentally, on Queen Misery wall, and frankly, I've been very worried since seeing it a couple days ago. The impression I get is that he feels all of his contributions have been for nothing and that no one will actually care if he leaves. In fact, it looks disturbingly like some sort of mental breakdown. He's not really quitting the wiki for good out of the blue like this, is he? He's been contributing here for over 10 years, longer than almost anyone else that's still an active contributor. So my question is, has he had moments like this before where he made it sound like he was never coming back, but simply had to take a much-needed temporary break from the stress of his position, or is this a first as far as you know? I've never seen him like this, so I'm really worried that he genuinely believes these things he wrote, and they're simply not true; I do feel like he may have been too quick to punish certain users too severely (like he recently did with NerdWithAKeyboard), but he's obviously made a big difference here, and others would miss him.
In short, I just don't know what to make of all this, and I'm sorry if you don't know much more about it all than I do. Maybe it's really nothing, but I haven't personally witnessed this much tension and conflict between administrators before, and now it looks like one or two of the ones who have been here the longest are quitting. I just have to try asking.
Actually, on the topic of Queen Misery and Inferno Pendragon, I was wondering if perhaps a couple users they gave 1 year blocks should be given some levity, namely NerdWithAKeyboard and Romeo and Robot. The former, from what I can tell, has established himself as a pretty trustworthy user here for a few years, so even though the exchange between him and Inferno was deleted, I have a really hard time believing he did something or talked back in a way that was so awful that he deserved to be punished so severely. In the case of the latter, yes, he was admittedly being disruptive, but based on his general behavior, including recently on the Heroes Wiki, I think it's safe to say that he's generally trustworthy and wasn't doing it on purpose, like Queen Misery seemed to think. In other words, maybe it would be more fair to reduce his block to just a month or two. As of now, I'm confident that that would be enough to learn his lesson. After all, other users have messed up or acted overzealously about particular subjects before, but ultimately learned from it and become pretty respectable and trustworthy without being blocked that long, so I think it would be fair to give him the same chance. After all, all he really did was get too pushy about his opinions concerning certain characters like Dr. Facilier and Indominus Rex.
Yes this kind of thing has happened a couple times which tends to calm down after a while. With Nerd I can say he didn’t really warrant that much of a block, in the thread it started to change subjects and he asked they moved it to another place, after that it seemed to be a minor breakdown on Nerd with him claiming he’s stressed and saying he’s questioning he’d want to be here (it got a little argumentative but not as bad as several users have in the past) with it ticking Inferno off. Given the years of hard work, determination and honestly it not coming across too bad in comparison I just changed it to two weeks (really hope that doesn’t blow up in my face tbh). With Romeo I can’t say I necessarily agree with length but I think I’ll see if anything happens with the last reduction I just gave, if I receive negative backlash on it then I’ll need to probably avoid it otherwise I’ll likely reduce it in a month to only a month or so.
Okay, thanks for the the quick response. That also sounds like a good way to deal with each of those situations. To be honest, I do remember Nerd mentioning he was retiring from being a content moderator, but that doesn't necessarily mean he wants to stop using this wiki altogether, especially since he's still active on other wikis right now. That just leaves one particular concern remaining; Inferno himself. After all, Queen Misery's reason for taking a hiatus is probably personal and not related to anything that's happened here, but Inferno seems to have genuinely gone through some sort of breakdown and is intent on leaving altogether. Again, has he had any outbursts like this before and is he likely to come back after clearing his head, or should we be seriously concerned about not only the possibility of him not coming back, but his mental health too, after leaving that message?
This has happened before with Queen Misery and Inferno where like a few others they feel like leaving (I am not criticizing them as I thought about it a few years back) but generally after a few months they calm down and come back. Queen Misery has made it clear they will eventually come back and I hope Inferno does as well he just likely needs to take a break given the stress we admins can go through.
Okay, so this isn't a first-time incident. Good, I really do hope he comes back when he's ready. I do understand that it can be a really stressful job, but it's not like it doesn't have its benefits, and more importantly, it's not like you're not making a difference just because you're not putting an end to trolling and malicious users altogether. There's always going to be at least some people like that.