I'd say no. Sure all them are the worse of their respected series but I wouldn't say all are necessarily are that. That's more to my understanding those who explicitly target what people see or portrayed as innocent (often children) to break them or kill them, just attaching whoever including normal civilians isn't automatically that.
Me, a scene who genuinely shocked me is in the movie Slumdog Millionaire. Have you seen it? The scene is when Maman, a crime lord who employs child beggars blinds them to make them more sympathetic to the crowd. Oh my God, I was really frightened.
There are a few in anime, comics and video games but one that was a bit gruesome that comes to mind from movies is Christabella's death. She had it coming but surprised they would show her being killed though barbwire raping her to death and tearing her apart. Granted its extremely short and given her crimes no sympathy on my end for her (probably could of been more graphics as well) but still a little surprised they went that route.
Yeah, books and movies he controlled by his fear with the main reason he's willing to fight is he feels invincible as he knows he cannot die provided his Horcruxes aren't destroyed. Basically it's like someone who only fights with a major advantage with the odds stacked significantly in their favor, even the final battle he fights as he believes he is invincible due to believing he owns the Elder Wand.
Speaking of cowards, I ask myself when a person shows fear of death when his life is threatened, is this cowardice? Because for example, Bill Cipher panicked before his demise and he's not considered a coward. However, Gaston LeGume is considered one when he did exactly the same thing Cipher did (pleading for his life).
Not always, Bill doesn't count because he regularly fought and only showed fear when absolutely powerless and dying, Gaston however immediately panicked when in danger and pathetically begged one he realized he was inside said danger.
Well one can be wiped from existence and count provided they become a demon after being a mortal first. It doesn't help Bill is called a Demon throughout the series (though creator said it was the closest description he could think of).
The implication was pretty similar to what you see as the main pic with only behind the scene with something like removing his spine to eat or something being that bizarre, the recurring thing being a triangle with one eye in all forms.
If we can describe an entity's true form even if a reference they'd not count. A good example of one that we see the true form but still counts is Mage of the Beginning who's true form is practically impossible to accurately describe despite a visual given how buzzard and all over the place it is though the user who did try did a very good job.
An alien is basically your standard version found in various media from outer space, a Cosmic Entity is basically a godlike entity that's not really worshiped often of alien origin though some are from another dimension.
I'd say so, he's one of the most powerful entities in his existence even more than some gods before the infinity gauntlet, with said gauntlet he is more than powerful enough due to being lack of better words God.
I could see the separation given they do have some differences but it'd need blatantly clear distinctions between a psychopath and a sociopath to make it work and I disagree with nihilist being misused. True some real life nihilists value their lives albeit often cynical but the Hollywood stereotype of I (which we are using) is the way I feel it should be used given ultimately is simply cynical most villains would be on it. I mean abuse happens occasionally but that's every category, not all nihilist necessarily want simply destruction (especially in real life) but some of course will.
Ok it's because it is written in the Category:Cowards : Sometimes, people mistake a person who has recurring anxiety attacks and/or phobias for cowards, nevertheless this is very unlikely and should be counted as mental illness.
He showed fear a bit from what I recall and tried to just make others not realize it, I could see it as either way as if I remember right he immediately cowers with his fear at least once. He's a debatable case of what I can recall.
Elias Voorhees who has no legal authority but regularly beat his wife and child (implied he raped Pamela as well) until depending on version he's killed by them in self-defense or finally lashing back at him.
Some versions it's just Pamela who is pregnant, others Jason is born but regardless no legal right to pull what he does. It doesn't help in the one where it's just Pamela being pregnant he raped her after beating her causing her to kill him. A parent has the legal authority to discipline a child and responsibility to make sure they're feed/taken care of but not to beat them especially the extent he's regularly shown.
In the arc Joker basically became an all-powerful God who regularly killed Batman only to revive him, remade the world in his image while regularly killing everyone (he ate China like Chinese take out) and only was stopped when he planned to destroy reality including himself but limited due to his obsession with Batman being played against him forcing him to give up the power (yeah it's weird). Then normal comic books he regularly commits mass murder, torture and I believe at least one version raped someone... comics can be pretty jacked up to be honest.
He wasn't always as bad but he debuted in the 40s and seems to of been this bad since minimum the 90s. There's one villain from the 90s who only appeared for one small arc (which is rare as most come back he's an exception) that ill eventually propose for PE: Mr. Whisper.
He's a former monk who after a brief conservation with a heretic decided to worship sin as a way of mocking God, had a group of nuns tortured, brutally killed while subjecting the most innocent to all that, rape and being burned to the stake. Eventually he gets an illness so he immediately begs the Devil to be immortal for 300 years which is why the story picks up: he was trying to escape Hell by condemning all Gotham's souls through a ritual and a special plague he made (heavily implied all who died in the city since he made preparations were included in those souls being ransomed). Doesn't help how petty he was like blowing up an Opera house to kill one man and the fact he was a serial child murderer. To make it worse both the mob and even Lucifer hated him. For a person with only four issues with it being a stand alone story (he nor the plot are ever mentioned afterwards by anyone) I got to say it's very impressive.
Oh my god, I've just read the page of Mr. Whisper and he is worst than the Joker. Like you said, being a child murderer, his will to sacrifize hundreds for souls just to maintain his immortality, he worships sin just for mocking God and he has a group of nuns tortured. When you will propose him, I will vote yes even if I didn't read the comic and I usually don't vote for comics characters.
I agree. Protective shows us they are at least not totally selfish, even if they not redeem themselves at the end. A protective villain who comes to mind is Jabba the Hutt who cares deeply for his son Rotta. But I must admit I hate Jabba.
Yes indeed, even if I didn't watch the work where he appears, the fact that he seemingly genuinely cared for his son shows that for all his monstruous and evils acts, there is a shred of goodness in him.
Arguably Isaac Ray Peram Westcott given he's my favorite Pure Evil as when given a moment where you see him give a possible sign of humanity he subverted it or perverted it. Outside him maybe Van Kleiss or maybe V.V. Argost given they can be charming, are physical and intelligent threats who were fun to watch.
Maybe one day, I will watch the work. I noticed he is popular enough. Me, one who comes to my mind is Ego (Marvel Cinematic Universe). Because even if this guy is really a monster inside, he conceals his true nature by putting a charming, affable, and humble facade. What do you think about him?
Sure he is faux affably evil but another point that fascines me in him is the emphasis on the "affably" part. Even when his true goal and nature are revealed, he always maintains a kind of politeness instead of outright insulting or belittle others like many others kind others faux affably evil do. What do you think about that?
I like him, while he is one of the most evil people in fiction and powerful the one thing I disagree with most fans is I just never saw him as the most powerful Sith when one includes the Legend/Expanded universe (Vitiate and Darth Nihilus are far stronger).
Not really, one monk merely stated he believed that by being sinful one could become more humble in the eyes of God, after that he merely decided to embrace whatever vice he felt like and then corrupted others into embracing it. He himself just basically said "you know what I want fun and I'll use your interesting idea as an excuse". Nothing goes out of the way to imply anything corrupted him, sure he was a pious monk before but the story makes it clear he had a lot of pride hinting he did it to make others look up to him.
To be honest, not so because I am addicted but I found some admin rude with me. Sometimes, I clashed with them. But it could just be because they have no patience for troublemakers. I must admit I am hyper-sensitive.
Fictional one, while I based the main character's personality (Jester) on some of my darker traits (obviously he's by far an exaggerated version and added traits I wish I had like some of the levels of confidence) I also threw its kind of a way of venting towards religion with some good people of all kinds. One friend compared it to Black Butler and Hellsing, it has a bit like Preacher on the take of the entity I refer to as God (not the true Supreme Being). Basically it takes the approach of some good Demons and Angels but overall both sides are cruel. Jester even basically says early one "Would you prefer us who admit we are evil and own up or the delusional fanatics who want to enslave you?". My profile is basically a summary of how it will go with me finishing the Part 1 now and starting the first episode of Part 2 as we speak.
Very good and creative idea. I don't know Black Butler or Hellsing very well, but your story reminds me slighty of Constantine (2005 movie). In this movie, although God is presented as good, he is definitely not Pure Good. He send to Hell people who commits suicide out of despair. The sister of the female protagonist jumped of the hospital's roof for preventing Mammon, the son of Satan, to have access in his body to recuper the Spear of Destiny so he can unleash Hell on Earth. And Gabriel is like how you said : a delusional fanatic. Have you seen this movie?
It tends to involve something like that in media where something is tampered with to either incriminate or endanger others (be it turning off safety protocols or outright changing the purpose to suit their needs.
Me, although he's a villain, it's Ego face who touched me. He seems very very happy. Do you think Ego genuinely loved Meredith and Peter to a certain extent ow he was just manipulating them? Me, I think he first
Also, do you think he can be considered tragic in some way? Because he was alone for million of year. I think that's that element who shaped his personality. However, I think he had other choice of life rather than his Expansion. He could have give up his immortality and settled with Meredith. What's your opinion?
I do agree him being lonely did affect him but even then he seemed immediately to view other life as inferior when he meet them also not sure him settling with Meredith ever truly crossed his mind or that it would of made him mortal just force him to continually reconstruct his avatar he used to visit other worlds.
What do you think Ego treated Mantis since when we don't see that on screen? Me, I don't think he was physically abusive towards her. He was just neglectful, only calling her when he needed sleep. But what's your opinion?
What is your favorite MCU villain? Me, it's Thanos. I've liked how they make him during the course of the MCU. First, a dreaded evil warlord, after a more tragic and affably character who seemed to have good intetions after all. In Endgame, he returned evil.
I understand for Killmonger but why Kaecilius? Kaecilius has understandable grief over the death of his wike but bringing Dormammu is clearly not understandable, according to me. Sure, the time will stop but the Earth'd like a kind of Hell.
Kaecilius seemed to believe that time would be destroyed and reunite everyone with their loved ones even the dead inti some paradise/Heaven on Earth. Of course he was wrong as he didn't realize Dormammu would subject everyone to essentially Hell for all eternity as he was blinded by grief and not trusting the Ancient One because of her keeping secrets.
I haven't seen The Hunchback of Notre-Dame but I have seen some scenes of Frollo. He's pretty terrifying for a kid's movie. The first time, I have seen his final scene when he lost it, attempt to kill Quasimodo and chases both him and Esmeralda through the roof and it scared me a bit.
For Shan Yu honestly, maybe it's just me, he's a very good character, but I don't know why he's Pure Evil because we don't see him commit heinous acts on screen.
I always loved The Hunchback of Notre-Dame but it scared me a a kid, for Shan Yu I find him a bit debatable but the one thing I can see is how he slaughtered an entire village and then picks up a doll with the implication if alive he'd "return it" by killing her. I've only seen clips of Maestro Forte but he seemed fun and had a cool song.
You are right there are strong implications of Shan Yu about to commit these things. About Frollo, have you noticed his final scene when he says : "And he shall smite the wicked and plunge them into the fiery pit !", he looked like the Joker.
Yes it's has his moment of comedy and the guy in my proposal is in fact comedic. An example of Pure Evil who has a comedic side to himself (similar to Syndrome). But planning to doom humanity to extinction just for extra payment from an eldritch abomination is not very comedic according to me.
Even if you have not seen the new trilogy (but you probably know that), do you think Disney did well by bringing back Palpatine or you'd prefer him dead in the Return of the Jedi? It's because a lot of people criticize his return in the Rise of Skywalker.
While seemingly just destroyed one that is similar is Darth Vitiate who had similar powers on cheating death as well as being ageless with near godlike power. He's a decent villain obsessed with remaking the galaxy/universe and becoming basically God.
My favorite is probably between Jango Fett for the expanded personality of the video game or Darth Nihilus due to being an amoral entity akin to Galactus. My least favorite is likely Nute Gunray or maybe Jar Jar Binks if involving heroes. I don't really have a character I outright hate in Star Wars from what I can remember.
I find him enjoyable enough, sure he's greedy but he's not entirely heartless and from what I remember for a Hutt he isn't the worse. He wasn't the most unique or super great but he seems to be overall an alright crime boss.
Yeah some had no issue killing family for petty reasons and if I remember right at least one tries to take over the galaxy. Jabba is not a saint but I heard a few comics may of introduced some who were a bit more cruel with the crime lord thing seemingly being a norm for them.
I think being treated the way he was played a large part as it helped let his more malevolent side take over as he felt like they didn't value him. At least that's how I remember it feeling when I was a kid.
Jester, I have a question. I've just remember myself the Devil (theology) has been rejected and since you seem familiar with theology because of your story (who seem great by the way), do you agree with that?
Yeah, the Devil varies a lot even in the theology with some parts like the Old Testament not treating him as even the enemy of God but one of his agents sent to test faith like in Book of Job. The New Testament treats him more as the enemy of God but even then God does a lot of more that jacks up the overall Heinous Standard along with even the "heroes" commit genocide. It doesn't help the belief as if God is meant to be truly omnipotent then all of it is how he wants it as otherwise he could stop it with a mere thought.
Is Galactus in the movie of the Victor Doom's proposal is amoral? While I don't know Galactus in the comics so can't say, in the movie he seems to have a moral agency by enslaving the Silver Surfer and force him to find planets to eat.
The comics does similar with the Surfer and both are amoral. It lacks any personality and comes across as just an entity eating more out of instinct with the Surfer basically offering more worlds with little effort on its end.
Yes. Speaking of coward, even if it is played for fun sometimes, some cowards are truly heinous. One who comes in mind is Pennywise. He attacks children just because they are weaker than adults. And you, do you know someone cowardly who is heinous?
Yeah he's an example while there are more some decent examples are:
Ernst Frederik Egin a genocidal fanatic who tried to kill his own daughter when pregnant and later his own grandkids.
Michael Gedōin who man who experimented on kids, used anyone he could for test subjects while having a ball while watching them suffer while going too far even for his boss.
Nobuyuki Sugou was a man that trapped and experimented o. The minds of others to play God while also trying to rape a hero's lover in front of them.
Goblins and their king are genocidal rapists that quickly beg for their life whenever they are cornered.
Graven was a bit cowaly but strong who sacrificed his own young kids to obtain immortality with the goal of basically wiping out humanity to steal their souls to remake the world with him as God (having already absorbed the gods of the setting).
Bertron created an infant who purposely sen it to die thousands of time while constantly bringing it back with all its memories to test his research on immortality.
Very true and hard to forget Scorpio who used kids as shields, sniped randome people to make a point yet demanded his lawyer as soon as Harry started to beat him. Got to admit seeing all them get their karma was just so satisfying.
Yeah. What I found heinous in them is they find enjoyable killing and spreading misery to others but they're themselves very afraid of receiving the same thing (example : Voldemort really enjoys killing but is terrified of death himself). See the hypocrisy?
While I admit Agency is debatable I do feel he arguably has it given while the others have practically no personality and it I say said by Goblin Slayer he was told they are from another planet with them envying us as their reason for attacking. It's sort of supported by us seeing the most come through a portal seemingly from the other world.
It also shows unlike the others he's very intelligent with his own goals of world domination. I see Austin's point of view as it was a concern but ultimately I feel he has some Agency.
An extremist works generally in political movements without resorting to terrorism with a goal to help people, they much like Anti-Villains tend to realize they are doing wrong but feel it's for the greater good while delusional characters do not see what they aren't doing as truly wrong and believe they are good people.
Ok thanks you Jester. Just because I can not do the edit myself, NerdWithAKeyBoard added the category Cataclysm on Thanos (Marvel Cinematic Universe)'s page, but it is redundant because he's harbinger for rebirth instead. Can you rectify this please?
I've just saw the convo on One-Man Army and I put my opinion in the forum. I agree with Love Robin. An One-Man Army should only apply to being who is able to defeat others being of same kind. What do you think about that?
I do agree taking on people who are normal vs superhuman shouldn't count (everyone from Dragon Ball would count for example) but people like Juggernaut and Apocalypse souls count as they take on multiple fellow superhumans regularly which should count as they theoretically have a chance unlike powerless people. Not kidding when Apocalypse has basically fought armies for fun and even on one occasion fought Hulk.