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  • Happy New Year, Mesektet!

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  • I'm starting to think he's trolling, not entirely sure

    but he isn't listening very well

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  • Thank you so much for restoring the articles. The guy who was causing all the trouble was a cruel troll. Thanks! :)

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    • Sure, I do what I can, not an admin but best to pay care to the wiki as aa whole, I ma just glad one of the admins blocked him while I was undoing the vandalism so it wasn't a futile effort. I can only do so much so hopefully the further back ones will be attended to by the admins as well.

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  • Please ban that guy messing up the Villains Wiki.

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  • Please do not add your personal opinons onto pages. The Ulfric Stormcloak page had a lot of biased and/or inaccurate information on it, which I removed. I'm going to explain in detail how the information you have re-added is incorrect. 

    The Stormcloak motto isn't "Skyrim Belongs to the Nords" there is no proof of this what so ever, and is opinion based, you cannot add speculation of what there "motto" is, since there is nothing saying that they have this as a motto, it's speculation, therefor has no place on the page. 

    The second thing I removed is simply opinon based, as there's no way to tell that's why people join the Stormcloaks, so that's why I removed it. 

    Ulfric has never shown a sign of disliking "all non-Nords" only Dunmer and Argonians, races such as Altmer and Imperials live in his city with no signs of harassment from his soldiers or people living in the town, meaning this is incorrect, and (or) speculation!

    The Kahjiit Caravans are not allowed in any cities, saying that it's just the Stormcloaks is downright dishonest, again is false and needed to be removed from the page, which I did...

    Ulfric never admitted he was wrong in Sovngarde, if you see his dialogue he never mentions the Thalmor, he only mentions how it strengthened Alduin, it is false and needed to be removed. 

    I will re-remove the information, please do not add it back. It is false or speculation for the reasons I explained. 

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    • I agree with you, I am in Support of the Stormcloaks, but the Villain pages on here need to kind of delve into what makes them seem like bad guys. Hence, the Wiki's very name and foundation! 

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    • True on most counts, except Tulius, and nearly all the Imperials, realize they are pawns. No one like that treaty. Ulfric was conned by Elenwen into believing the empire was victimizing him and the Thalmor were just the hands on the whips. As for the racist thing, no that is pretty clear through-out the game. See while Ulfric himself isn't exactly KKK material he stops caring about any countrymen who are not Nords, he is very protective of any and all Nords abused but can not be bothered to put forth any effort to stop abuse towards non-Nords, Whether they are elves, beastfolk Imperials or Bretons. That is racism in essence, soft-core-racism to be sure, but racism none the less, Consider the Stormcloaks are ONLY Nords, with the possible exception of the Dragonborn. The Imperials, while mostly Imperial have Redgards, Orcs, Altmer and Dunmur spread through-out their troops. As the article says Ulfric himself is not hard core racist but he intentionally ignores or enables acts of prejudice to occur while getting extremely protective of his, and only his race's right.

      As for the empire, it really can't be justified either, not as a whole, that is for a player by player call. If you participate in the civil war arc you will have to justiy something. Either you will need to justify loss of stability/safety, with a side of racial supremacy for the basic concept of cultural/religious freedom, or you will have to justify oppression and subjugation for safety and stability. But I know how you feel, the dilemma the game creates for players is really well done since different players can get passionate about a made up game like it is actual politics, it's a mark of good writing.

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  • Hey mesektet, you remember me right? well, I gotta ask your opinion about patrick and spongebob, people have been calling them outright monsters. But do you think that's true or do you think that their exaggerating.

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    • And I noticed one more thing the heroes wiki has more standards of what qualifys as a hero, but villains wiki just puts anyone in there.

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    • To be fair villains wiki has more structure there are less spelling errors, more complete pages and all categories based on appearance and race have long since gone, I and the other admins there are trying to get Heroes wiki up to those standards. But as of the past year or so more and more articles are added based almost entirely on fan hatred to the point where it is starting to become less of a wiki and more of a fan website. I hope Magma Dragoon and the other admins here can keep it from getting to that point, things like that are the reason I personally eliminate any similar additions to heroes wiki when I see them.

      As for my opinion on the Patrick and Spongebob pages, no I don't think they come close to outright villains, Doctor Doom is an outright villain, Cobra Commander is an outright villain, Chucky Ray is an outright villain!; Spongebob and Patrick Star are not, heck I don't even think they qualify as villains in the first place, for those all of 3 episodes when they did "bad, naughty, meany-face things", or whatever is being used to validate their presence here. It's fan hate plain and simple, good luck trying to fight that.

      But if you want something to hang your hat on consider this, there is a category called Villains by Proxy, contributors love to add to that one since it applies to villains who are antagonists of a story without being evil, I know because I made it. It was deleted at first due to being uneeded and I helped get rid of it to make up for adding it, but then later an admin brought back as essential since more and more pages were appearing that it seemed to apply to. See if that category has been added to either page, if it has then the characters can not be Outright Villains since Villains by Proxy is the precises opposite of that. To have Outright Villains and Villains by Proxy on the same page is contradictory so if Villains by Proxy is already on there you have a good shot at gettiing the admins to put their feet down.

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  • You guys do have plenty of flaws on heroes wiki, but at least you guys have standards of what qualifys as a hero. Villains wiki just let's any character that's hated by fans be put on this wiki. A perfect example would be Patrick star since he is a jerk but people have been calling him a complete monster, heck even spongebob is being called a complete monster. This is really an exaggeration, the same goes for mr krabs who despite being mean, he isn't downright evil. Many fans have been calling squidward, Patrick, mr krabs and spongebob complete monsters.

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    • Oh, THAT GUY. Yeah, he's made over 5 accounts and has constantly vandalized this wiki. You know that guy who kept calling Freddy a remorseful villain, and later a redeemed one? THAT was Horrornut, just with a sock. He's also known as Gojirules, the guy who got the Godzilla page locked and tried to justify rape. He's really infamous at Wikizilla as well. He's been globally banned countless times.

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    • All too well...

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  • You know I understand that you guys allow anyone if they're a protagonist, but what about those protagonist that are complete monsters in their media how are they going to qualify for heroes wiki or technically protagonist wiki. And villains wiki pretty much allows anyone if they are hated by fans. I understand that people are pissed off at them, but that doesn't mean they qualify for villains. They only qualify if they have done something that qualifys them to be a villain, but if was only a one time thing or they weren't even that bad then theres no point in adding them. An example would be Richard watterson and woody woodpecker, sure what they did was wrong but hey there actions weren't that bad. Now for heroes wiki, or technically protagonist wiki, there are many heroes that are unredeemed and they kill, torture, mutilate, destroy property, continuously abuse others without having any remorse or care, but I guess since they're a protagonist then they qualify for heroes wiki, you guys need to think do they really have good intentions, or do they just want to kill others for no reason. An example would be Trevor he has killed numerous people for no reason, in fact the reason he killed johny was because he scolded at him for having sex with his girlfriend, and then after that he killed his entire gang without any reason except that he was pissed off. Now people like magneto, the punisher, kratos, they all qualify because they all had some redeeming qualities, maybe not much but still, they fought for the side of good on some occasions. But Trevor he had no remorse, nor did he ever fight for good.

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    • Well, and this is the standard I use not the one Villain wiki does mind you, I think a villain needs at-least two of three things to be a villain, 1 Genuine malicious intent, 2 is a serous threat to the world at large and 3 is an antagonist in the narrative.

      In a hero's case I would use similar though inverted principles 1 Are they good hearted, 2 have they actually done good deeds and 3 are they protagonists in the narrative. In say Richard Watterson's case the big ninny is good hearted, if prone to selfishness from time to time, and is the protagonist of the narrative. On the Villain side he is a serious threat to the world at large and in a few episodes has functioned as an antagonist (as parents are bound to do from time to time in shows centered around children.) Can't begin to justify the likes of Woody Woodpicker though since it varies from writter to writter, same as Bugs Bunny.

      As for Trevor there is no need to convince me, I have voted "nay" for keeping him but one of the other admins says "ye" and we are still waiting on the third, who I assume by now has not checked in for a while, he is usually very active but real life issues happen. I have not played the game myself so I felt it responsible to check in with other admins before I just deleted the page and again sorry it is taking so long, I have been waiting on that final vote same as you. Either way from what I have read on other wiki's he is a protagonist villain but one with no redeeming qualities, the standard psycho team-mate who just happens to be on your side leaving him with only 1/3 of the standard I use. I should wait for the final vote to come in but I must admit this is getting a bit ridiculous. The article is mostly plagiarized so I may have the leeway to delete it, understand this though, since the third admin may yet vote in the page may be restored, But if it does it will need to be from scratch since the information is plagiarized, so if deleted it will only be restored if another contributor puts in fresh effort to writing the page.

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    • What happened to Garfield?

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    • That is actually who we were waiting on, and as of yet I don't know, I assume some real life issues have come up.

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  • Do you know about the heroes by proxy category I added, it's similar to the category you made.

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    • What? Are you serious, Robinson? New categories aren't prohibited. What ever made you think that? I've made several accepted categories in the past few months.

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    • Actually they are, at least doing so without checking in with the admin, it is on the rules page. You may want to clear it with an admin from now on otherwise they may be deleted without warning to enforce the policy, it has happened before.

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  • Hey long time no see. I have watched Angel, and it turns out Darla redeemed herself before she died so she therefore is not a CM. Angelus on the other hand, OHHHHHHH that's a different story. 

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    • Ah ok. I kinda thought that, just still wondering to make sure. 

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    • Yeah he was definitely not a nice guy, that's for sure. 

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