1. ScaryMovie53 told me you need help with Slasher. What is it exactly?
2. How would you rank the killers from Scream? All 11 of them? WORST TO BEST: Here is my list. I based this off of kill count, intelligence, treachary, motive, and planning/execution.
10. Charlie Walker (Scream 4; 21st Century Woodsboro Murderer) Charlie Walker is one of the movie buffs from Scream 4. He is also the president of the cinema club. The reason he ranks this low was because he was whipped, big time. He trusted Jill and she killed him so she could be the star of the show and frame him as the killer. Also, he is unoriginal. We had the movie buffs being the killers for so long. It’s kinda cliche. His plan was, well he didn’t have one. He was just gonna be betrayed anyway. Also, we don’t know his motive. It is hinted however that it is sexual frustration, and that’s just a bad motive. Just because Kirby didn’t see him for 4 years? I mean I would be offended haha, but not killing people. Some good things I can say about Charlie are his calls. Pretty good calls, and Olivia’s death is brutal. Probably the 2nd most brutal killer in the franchise. But it’s just that his motive is bad, he isn’t treacherous at all, and he is dumb, and easily betrayed by his secret girlfriend. Come on, Charlie, that easily seduced?
This is where it gets controversial. These next two are gonna trigger some people.
9. Stu Macher. (Scream; Woodsboro Murderer) Now, in 1996, people were hyped that there were two killers, cause we haven’t seen that shit in a long time. But I know people are gonna rank Stu and Billy up high just because “they’re the original” or “they changed horror movies” or “they’re the best because they are.” Stu ranks low on this list because he had no motive. In fact it’s hinted he just was there because he went along with Billy. He isn’t intelligent, and purely used by Billy for proof he wasn’t the killer. He also let Sidney and Neil go when he had the chance to kill them. He was a lackey, a second fiddle, and was just the muscle, and that’s it. Some good things I can say about him are that he has one of the best kills in the franchise, which was gutting Drew Barrymore’s character Casey. Other than that, the only treacherous thing he did was just being content with his girlfriend’s death. He had one of the worst motives and tried to get Sidney to kill his frenemy Randy. Also he didn’t have a plan. What, was it just hanging out with Billy? Also stabbing each other before killing Sidney and Neil? Come on now.
8. Billy Loomis (Scream; Woodsboro Murderer) I told you this list would be controversial. Billy is one of the well rounded by the book type killers. Angry, vengeful and like a volcano, ready to explode. However, he has the lowest kill count of 3 people, and one of them was offscreen. Also, let me say that my shoes are smarter than Billy and Stu’s brains combined. Stabbing each other before they killed Neil and Sidney? That was dumb. Billy wasn’t really smart. The only smart thing he did was to get suspicion off of him. He betrayed his girlfriend, his friend and maybe even wanted to betray Stu with the stabbing. I don’t call mutual stabbing being nice. Billy is like on the low end of the spectrum simply because of his kills and his intelligence. However, I do have to applaud Billy for having the best killer reveal in the whole franchise and he changed how people look at horror movies.
I had a hard time debating these next two killers.
7. Beth (Scream Season 3; Weaver High Murderer) Beth is the goth girl killer, something we have never seen in a scream film. We have seen vengeful mothers, boyfriends, sibilngs, movie buffs, and now we have the Goth Girl. Let me say this, killers with motives like Beth, which being it’s scarier when there is no motive, it is scarier. However for this list type of thing, with no motive, it is weird to go on a killing spree. In fact she had a stupid motive. She wants to be a better Killer than Jason, Michael Myers, basically any type of killer out there. And plus she was born bad? That ain’t a motive. Worst motive in Scream history. Her kills are good, killing Shane with his own medicine, and she has the best kill of the season by killing Amir. She ranks above Billy purely for her intellect, kills, and treachery. Her treachery is in the top 5, cause she killed her own accomplice, a police officer and 3 people who cared about her, especially Amir, who loved her deeply. She is one of the most evil Scream killers of all time, but that don’t mean pure evil gets you very far. Also what was her plan? To kill every one and that’s it? That’s a stupid plan. In fact just to say “I’ll kill everyone and stop.” Like not really a plan if I say so myself.
6. Debbie Salt (Scream 2; Windsor College Murderer) I had a hard time wether or not Debbie should be ahead of Beth or not. I mean, it can be either or. But I think she slightly edges her out with her motive. I mean, tbh, I hate Debbie’s motive. She had to kill Phil and Cici and start a killing spree just to kill Sidney? Who knows, maybe it was a good thing she got Mickey to help. She has one of the best plans. All she needed to do was kill Gale and Sidney for killing Billy and then that’s it. To be honest though, she could have just hired a Hitman or something (insert Timothy Olphant reference) or just killed them and no one would ever know who she was. She has the lowest kill count though, tied with Billy. And she has a decent amount of intelligence which is why she ranks above Beth. I like Laurie’s acting in this movie too, how she would transfer from a obnoxious reporter to a creepy eyed killer. She managed to go around campus unsuspected and in her treacherous regards, managed to betray her accomplice and kill 3 people who never cared about her.
5. Mickey Altieri (Scream 2; Windsor College Murderer) Mickey is an insane serial killer. He is a movie buff and was even a killer before he arrived to college! I love Timothy Olphant’s performence in this, and he has one of the best reveals in the entire series. Also he is the first mask reveal in the series. He also has some of the best kills in the franchise, most noticeable for killing Jada Pinkett Smith in the movie theater and killing Officer Richards with the car crash. However, his motive falls a bit flat. He killed people just to blame the movies. Yeah I get he wants to be famous and all, and he likes killing people and that’s okay? But the motive doesn’t even make sense. Sadly he was shot by his partner and betrayed, and he really didn’t have a plan at all. He is above all the rest cause he has killed before, is smarter than the rest, and has the third highest kill count of 8 people. He is in the middle, and is a well rounded by the book killer. He is just a soldier though.
4. Jamal Elliot (Scream: Ressurection; Weaver High Murderer) Who said killers can’t be black? Well no one did. Originally, in Scream 2, Hallie was meant to be the killer, but changed to Mickey. Now in Scream Ressurection, we have Tyga, the Ice Cream Man, as the killer. You maybe thinking why he is so high up on this list? Let me tell you in 3 words. BEST. FUCKING. MOTIVE. Yeah, above Piper, above Kieran, above Roman. Jamal has the best motive in the end tire franchise and it is so reasonable. When Marcus stole Deion’s life and fame, Jamal saw it as retribution and wanted to get back at him. Not kill him but torture him and his career. Jamal is one of the strongest killers in the franchise. Threw a jock far off a balcony, killed a 6’4” Tony Todd, stabbed a trained cop so easily, and was able to knock out his brother jock. Yeah, he got killed by his accomplice, but being killed by his accomplice, but took her down with him by ratting her out to his brother. Doing illegal things, but being a human being at the end of the day. He killed 4 people, and it was so reasonable. It was a little blackmail spree. “Confess and it will go away. If you don’t, your friends or you will die.” That’s the burden Marcus had to live with. Also, not to mention, he has some of the best kills in the franchise. He’s brutal, yet realistic. Also, he almost got away with it, cause he almost got Deion to confess to who he really was.
3. Piper Shaw (Scream S1; Lakewood Slasher) Piper Shaw is the half sister of Emma Duvall. Yeah he seems more of a Roman ripoff, but let me tell you why she ranks 3rd. She betrayed Will, Noah, Audrey, Emma, and her mother Maggie. Also, she has a pretty decent kill count of 6, even most noticeable for Lilian Will Belmont. She clearly has intelligence, wanting to destroy Emma, and has one of the best motives in the entire franchise. To make Emma suffer by killing her friends, and the other two kills (Greyson and Deputy Roberts) are so reasonable too. Also, not to mention not only did Piper make Emma sufffer but she made her have PTSD and go into a mental facility, even after her death. Also, she uploaded her sex tape to the world for Emma to get made fun I’ve along with her boyfriend. She also almost got away with the murders too. She just framed the wrong person because there wouldn’t be a match on the DNA when Seth was tested. Either way, she is a good killer.
2. Roman Bridger (Scream 3; Stab Studios Murderer) and Jill Roberts (Scream 4; 21st Century Murderer) You guys may be wondering, why are these two tied? Or, can we have two ties? The truth is, I have debated of which one is better, and through my ranking, I think they both should get a tie. Let me explain why they are in this position less than our last killer (whom you all know) and tell you first with Roman.
Roman is #2 on my list. Let me say, Scream 3 is my least favorite film in the entire franchise. Also, Roman is the most unrealistic killer in the entire franchise. However, there is no denying his high skill level. He has the 2nd highest kill count in the franchise with a total of 9 for one killing spree. He is also the most intelligent killer in the Scream franchise. He had a bulletproof vest and a voice changer to sound like almost everybody. He killed his 9 employees without even a concern and they respected him. His plan was tbh, okay. Like Debbie and Jill had better plans than him. Also his motive is okay. Like why would he kill the 9 employees he had? Makes no sense. The reason why he is high up is due to his treachary, intelligence, and high kill count. Now onto Jill.
Jill Roberts is #2 on my list also. She is the most treacherous killer in the entire franchise. She betrayed her mom, her best friends, and her 2 boyfriends, Trevor and Charlie. She also betrayed Sidney, Gale, and Dewey. She has a decent count of 6 kills, and she is one of the most smartest killers in the franchise. To be honest, she has a more viable reason for killing her 6 victims. She didn’t like her mother and thought she loved Sidney more. She also killed the cops to get to her mom, and killed her two boyfriends to frame them, not to mention kill Trevor and Jenny for having an affair. She almost it away with the murders and her little planning scene is one of the best scenes in the movie. Her making herself look like the victim. It was a verbal slip up with the matching wounds and she almost would have gotten away with it. She just needed to kill Sidney and that’s it.
1. Kieran Wilcox (Scream Season 2; Lakewood Slasher 2.0) And... Kieran is #1 on my list. Let me say first that he gets a lot of hate for being a Billy ripoff or just being bland. However, there is no denying his skill performance in the season. I love the lead up Piper has in S1 and this introduces a new killer in the second season. Kieran has the highest kill count of 11 people. He is the most brutal killer in the entire franchise. Not to mention he has a big rap sheet for killing an animal and burning down a house. It is also hinted he set up the accident for his mom and step dad to die, bringing his kill count to 13 people, which the judge during his sentencing that he killed over a dozen people. That’s crazy! Also he is one of the most treacherous killers in the entire franchise. Kieran was practically God-tier. Yeah, a lot is unrealistic but again, no denying his skills. He was a master lock picker, hacker, crime scene fixer/cleaner, sneaker, even standing on Audrey's bed to finger paint in blood while she slept in it. He could also be in two places at once. Yeah people did suspect him in S1 but I’d say once Piper died, the suspicion was thrown off of him. He is extremely elaborate, as seen by how he hung Haley like a doll, and somehow got Jake up on the catwalk for his body to fall from the banners on Brooke. He fooled a lot of people. Emma, the FBI (from SEASON 1), the entire police department, Maggie, and even the horror fanatic Noah who never once suspected Kieran. He also has one of the best motives in the entire franchise. He didn’t kill just for fun, but he wanted revenge for his dad leaving him out of the family, implied he killed his mom and stepdad to get to Lakewood or even cause he resented them. Also killing was better than theray, and also known confimed reasons. He killed Rachel to protect his girlfriend and his ass, Will was personal, Clark too, and with every victim close to Emma and Audrey, killed to frame them.
Here is all my factors placement. Tell me what you feel. :)
3. PLAN AND EXECUTION: Jill, Kieran, (Jill and Kieran were so close to getting away with it, but it was a verbal slipup) Debbie, Roman, Piper, Jamal (Jay ranks in middle cause he did get Marcus to confess but he didn't live to see or hear the tale and died), Billy, Beth (she just wanted to kill everyone? What plan is that. She is worse than I remember haha), Mickey, Stu, Charlie (Tell me what you think about that and what your order would be.)
4. MOTIVE: (This involves sole motivation but also why they did what they did and why they killed who they killed. 'What would your list be?)
a. Jamal Elliot (revenge for Marcus taking Deion's name, and revenge on Deion for making his mom commit suicide, and killed Tommy/Hookman for revenge, and Avery for wanting to start the game seriously. Unsure why he would kill LT. Maybe a deal gone bad?)
b. Kieran Wilcox (wanted revenge for his dad leaving him out of the family, implied he killed his mom and stepdad to get to Lakewood or even cause he resented them. Also killing was better than theray, and also known confimed reasons. He killed Rachel to protect his girlfriend, Will was personal, Clark too, and with every victim close to Emma and Audrey, killed to frame them)
c. Piper Shaw (killing Maggie and Emma for the life Emma had and Maggie giving her up, killed cop to frame Seth for the killings, killed Nina, Riley and Will because he wanted to torture Emma, and Greyson to make sure everyone was gone. Maybe attacking Audrey cause of the fight)
d. Jill Roberts (she wanted to gain fame by killling Sidney, she wanted to kill Trevor and Jenny for cheating on Jill, killed 2 armed officers cause they got in the way, killed her mom cause she loved Sidney more, and killing Charlie to frame as the killer)
e. Roman Bridger (wanted to kill Maureen Prescott for abandoning him, and kill Sidney for stealing the life she had. Unknown why kill 9 people. It would have been so much better to say "he killed these 9 people to create the romantic drama he always wanted.")
f. Billy Loomis (wanted to kill Sidney, possibly because he saw her as an extension of her mom, or maybe Roman convinced her. Probably because he thought she was a slut and didn't want that happening to anyone else. Unknown why he would kill Tatum or Himbry though)
g. Mickey Altieri (after watching a video of Mickey, blaming the motives isn't a dumb motive. Farfetched, but it is unsure why he would kill 5 people, presumebly 2 cops to get to Sidney and do Debbie's bidding)
h. Charlie Walker (Charlie had no motive, and we didn't know his motive revealed. He just was seduced or convinced by Jill, but at least he killed some girls because he couldn't have them and because he's whiny, and Kirby finally noticed him, and Jill probably told him what to do, like a fucking dog.)
i. Debbie Salt (To be honest, if she just wanted to kill Sidney and Gale, she should have, or at least that was the attempted kills, but no reason to kill CiCi or Phil. Also her motive is kind of convoluted, like Randy was just there, she kiled him because he badmouthed Billy, but beforehand, what was she doing? It made no sense. I guess having a killing spree would work with Mickey, so whatever.)
j. Stu Macher (Sorry man, peer pressure ain't a motive, but at least its "reasonable"? I mean, it's implied he just went along with Billy. However, I am sure he wanted to kill Steve and Casey like Jill with Trevor and Jenny., but he may have been convinced to do that.)
k. Beth Whigham (she was born bad? she wanted to be the best villain? She doesn't compare to any of the Ghostfaces haha. But did she wanna expose people as hypocrites? What was she doing?!)
Usually i don't get involved in other people's private conversations, but i can assure you me and Sacksam180 are different people and different users. You can get into "Scream" wiki and check out for our conversations. It will show you that we're friends, but not the same individual.
Ah, okay. Were you suprised Jen was the killer? I was. That attack had me dumbfounded and when she was revealed, it was a nice twist I didn't see coming. I didn't think once that she was the killer. I thought it was Connor.
Hey man (hope I am not assuming genders :I), thats a totally reasonable list. I have the same list except the two girls switched.
Just wondering, on each category, how would you rank them? Here is my list:
A. KILL COUNT:
1. Judith (10) (6 points)
2. Cameron (10) (5 points)
3. Jennifer (6) (4 points)
4. Connor (5) (3 points)
5. Wyatt (2) (2 points)
6. Tom (2) (1 point)
P.S. Before I get to the other categories, I am the one who edited the kill count on the Druid page. Mercedes told me who killed who. She got 6 (Cassidy, Amy, Kaili, Charlie, Pujit and Amber) and, Connor got 5. Xander is supposed to be Jen but the strength the killer had and the timing was more likely Connor.
1. Jennifer (6)
2. Cameron (5)
3. Connor (4)
4. Judith (3)
5. Tom (2)
6. Wyatt (1)
C. PLAN AND EXECUTION:
1. Tom (6)
2. Judith (5)
3. Jennifer (4)
4. Connor (3)
5. Cam (2)
6. Wyatt (1)
1. Judith (6)
2. Jenn (5)
3. Cam (4)
4. Connor (3)
5. Wyatt (2)
6. Tom (1)
1. Cam (6)
2. Jen (5)
3. Connor (4)
4. Judith (3)
5. Wyatt (2)
6. Tom (1)
OVERALL TOTAL POINTS:
Former Pastor Tom Winston: 11 Points (5th Place)
Sgt. Cameron (Cam) Henry: 22 Points (3rd Place)
Den Mother Judith (Judy) Berry: 23 Points (2nd Place, by a sliver)
What about the rest of the categories? Intellignece, Plan, and Treachary? Or do you agree with all of those?
2. Why is Cam 5th in motive? Wyatt just killed 2 people for revenge (like Stu from Scream, jealousy), and Tom killed cause they recorded him on a porn film, and shipped it out. Cam at least had a better motive. Killng 8 because they commited sin (7 Deadly Sins), his mom abused him, and his dad knew he was the killer.
3. P.S. Wyatt wasn't assisted by anyone. He just happened to kill Noelle and Kit.
Did you know every Slasher killer actor/actress wore the mask and costume? Steve Byers did during safe scenes (Chasing Sarah outside, Getting Malcom, Brenda's Death Scene, The Interview and Alison's Death Scene), Leslie Hope (When she killed Janice and shot Dawn), Gabriel Darku (when he killed Roberta) and Mercedes Morris (after she killed Amber and during the finale shoots).
I actually talked to Steve and Mercedes. Steve liked wearing it and said it was like "reverse birth". Mercedes didn't wear it often but she loved how menacing the outfit was. She couldn't really see through the mask, but there was a cloth that helped her breathe through it and see better.
Leslie is most likely plausible cause she wears it throughout the final act, and Gabe wore it when he revealed himself to Detective Roberta. He wore the costume then too.
That's some fascinating trivia. Did you meet them at some kind of Slashercon/Horrorcon or something?
So, I think it's a good idea for us to list the horror/thriller/slasher movies and tv shows we've watched so we can avoid spoiling things and have some stuff to talk about. I'll go first.
100 Tears (2007)
A Haunting (TV Show)
Alice, Sweet Alice (1976)
American Hangman (2019)
A Nightmare on Elm Street - All
Black Christmas (1974)
Candyman (1992) - Haven't watched the sequels yet.
Carrie (1976) - Haven't watched the sequels or remake yet
Child's Play - All except for the remake.
Dark Night of the Scarecrow (1981)
Don't Open Till Christmas (1984)
Drive Thru (2007)
Friday the 13th - All
Halloween - All
Happy Death Day (2017) and Happy Death Day 2 U
Hell Fest (2018)
He's Out There (2018)
Hollow Man 1 and 2
House of 1000 Corpses and The Devil's Rejects
I Know What You Did Last Summer trilogy
It (1990) and It (2017) - Haven't seen the new one.
Jaws - All
Joy Ride 1 and 2 - Haven't seen the 3rd yet.
Most Likely to Die (2015)
My Bloody Valentine - Original and Remake
Prom Night (1981) and Prom Night 4: Deliver Us From Evil
Puppet Master - Up to The Legacy
Scary Movie - 1-3
Scream - All
Scream: The TV Series - All
Shriek If You Know What I Did Last Friday the Thirteenth (2000)
Silent Night, Deadly Night - 1-2
Slasher (TV Show) - All seasons
Terror Train (1981)
The Banana Splits Movie
The Burning (1981)
The Good Son (1993)
The Legend of Halloween Jack (2018)
The Meg (2018)
The Prowler (1981)
The Purge/The Purge: Anarchy/The Purge: Election Year/The First Purge
The Shining (1980)
The Strangers/The Strangers: Prey at Night
Trick r' Treat (2007)
Urban Legend (1998) / Urban Legends: Final Cut / Urban Legends: Bloody Mary
You're Next (2011)
Benny Ironside, Jen Rijkers, Connor Rijkers, Wyatt (Slasher), Charlie (Slasher).
Slasher ranking. I honestly didn't find any of the killers bad. Wyatt's my least favorite, but he is technically the one who designed The Druid, so I got to give him credit on that. Because that design is awesome.
Technically not. Just want to know how you specifically wuld rank the slasher killers and scream killers. I know you said that the scream is similar, but similar means of similarities, not the exact list.
My list overall would be from best to worst (SLASHER):
1. Druid Mastermind Jennifer (Jen) Rijkers / (The Druid Copycat) (Slasher: Solstice)
2. Den Mother Judith (Judy) Berry / (The Camp Motega Killer) (Slasher: Guilty Party)
3. Sgt. Cameron (Cam) Henry / (The Executioner Copycat) (Slasher: The Executioner)
I am just wondering because the first time we talked was in September and I really wanted to see your ranking list. Sorry if it is not something you like. However, I have some stuff you might like. :)
1. Anyways, I did a Q&A with William Scharpf (Stuntman for Ghostface in Season 3), Stanton Barrett (Stuntman for Lakewood Slasher in Season 1) and Geoff Scovell (Stuntman for The Druid in Season 3 of Slasher). Would you like to see what questions I asked?
3. Also, I got my mask signed by the killers! Steve Byers (Cam) signed my Executioner Mask, and Gabriel Darku (Connor) and Mercedes Morris (Jenn) signed my Druid mask! Here are pics: https://imgur.com/a/NNOEZo5 What do you think?
4. I watched Shredder. It is an okay b-movie. S2 of Slasher reminded me of that. In fact, I can coorlate each seaosn with 3 horror movies. What do you think? S1 is like Se7en meets Scream meets Halloween, S2 is like IKWYDLS meets Friday the 13th meets Shredder, and S3 is like Prom Night meets ISKWYDLS meets The Purge.
5. Have you seen Se7en with Morgan Freeman and Brad Pitt?
Oh, I like Scream. It's just that there's so many horror movies I need to watch. Also, in general I'm not good at ranking things.
2: Dude, those look amazing and incredibly accurate. They must've costed a fortune and a lot of patience to make.
3: That must've been a great experience to meet them and get them to sign your masks. I can't imagine.
4A: Oh, interesting. What were your thoughts on Shredder?
4B: Those sound like pretty accurate comparisons. The Druid's mask definitely made me think of The Lady Liberty mask from The Purge: Election Year. With the brutal, bloody, and torturous kills in S3, I would also probably add Laid to Rest to that list.
5: Yeah, I've seen Se7en, so I know what you mean. John Doe is also a killer motivated by the seven deadly sins.
6: I haven't, but it's on my list of things to watch.
1A. Here is my Q&A with William Scharpf (Stuntman of Ghostface in Season 3): Tell me your thoughts on the questions and answers he gave.
1. How did you come across doing stunts? I was a professional water skier. I water-skied on the Pro Tour (type of water ski) and one Saturday morning during qualifying, a buddy of mine, he shows up just as I’m taking off to ski, and he had a jet lagged makers haircut, and I was like “Hey, that’s a stupid haircut.” And he’s like “Fuck you. I was James Bond’s stunt double.” I was like, “What?!” So, then I had to go do my qualifying round and that night I was drinking beer and he’s telling me about being a stuntman.
2. What stunts do you specialize in? Mostly water, cars, fights, and high free falls. And a lot of rigging. You know, wire work.
3. Did you have any prior experiences in sports or just mainly waterski? Oh, I did every sport under the sun.
4. How long have you been doing stunts for? 30 years.
5. Did you have a favorite actor/actress working with on Scream? Tony "The Candyman" was awesome! He's super professional. You know he's an older guy. We had a big fight scene to do. You know, he's all beat up and stuff. But he's fantastic and superb. Giorgia Whigham (Beth) and CJ Wallace (Amir) were great! RJ (Deion) was cool. Not a lot of names I remember really. Besides Tyga (Jay). Tyga. He was only there because he was a Kardashian groupie. They totally put him in there for ratings. The fucker couldn’t act. He’s a big pussy actually, especially when it came to stunts. He looked like a little Prima Donna. He's not even an actor. He just you know... I don't know why he was just there. He's not an actor. He looks like a Kardashian. Another Kardashian coattail rider.
6. Did you have a favorite kill performing? All were fun to do. Kills run through. Killed one, killed them all.
7. Any thoughts about the costume when you saw it? It’s just another job. I don’t get too much excited about much of anything. Just another job. Just another set of wardrobe.
8. How was it like to wear the mask and robe? Creepy and hard to breathe during fights. When you step on the fucking thing (while running), you know it’s, a pain in the ass... I wasn't, you know, a big Scream aficionado. You know, I just got the job... It was a lot of fun playing Ghostface... It was like your in a big burlap sack. It's like a giant burlap cape and a hood. A giant burlap hoodie. That hood is really tight, you know, it’s just tugged around the mask so you can’t tell wether it’s a guy or a girl... It felt like a bunch of rags piled on me. It was a one piece suit. Nothing distinctly that I can describe... I had the set costumer get me in and out of it for every shot, make sure everything is working on me, stuff like that.
9. Did you have a favorite stunt moment doing? Jumping through door glass was fun. That was pretty much the only stunt I did as Ghostface. Fun stuff. I was just running and... you know most of my stunts were just stuff with the knife and close proximities with knives. Rubber knives and you know the kills. That (jumping through door glass) was just really the only stunt I did. They (door glass) do have electrical charges on them and they hit the button right as your hitting the glass and sometimes if they're late you have breakaway glass. Combonation... You have to worry about your eyes, keep your eyes closed afterwards and they fill the glass with compressed air and blow all the glass stuff off your face.
10. Did the director give you any instructions on what to do, or was it mostly based on your movements, like swinging the knife or running around? The director did his directions under the plot. Like, ”You’re gonna stab Tyga’s character in the head.” Stuff like that.
11. Did you choreograph any of the scenes in the show? Yep, all of them. Mainly stunt related.
12. Did you have a most exhausting /tiring stunt moment? Long fight with Tony was exhausting.
13. Any risky stunts? Nothing on that. That (Scream Season 3 Stuff) was pretty lame.
14. How did you get the job as Ghostface in Scream? I got the job as the stunt coordinator and I was originally doing Season 1, and at the same time I was doing another bigger TV series that required more of my attention. I was doing Underground The TV Series. So, I handed the job off to my buddy Stanton Barrett. But I was going to play Ghostface in Season 1. He’s one of my best friends. I gave the job to him. Stanton’s one of the best all around stunt guys I know.
15. Do YOU like scary movies? Don't like scary movies. Not at all. They’re scary, haha! I like comedy and action. And historical dramas.
16. Did you meet or hear Roger Jackson on set? Nope, didn't meet him.
17. Did you get a chance to see the series at all? No. I don't watch hardly anything I do.
18. How was it like working with Brett Matthews (Director of Scream: Resurrection)? Brett's a great helper. You know, he went and called ahead and... Yeah, Brett was really good.
19. Were there multiple/different Ghostface costumes on set that you had to wear? Yeah, that have differences to everything. And I would specify like if I was on it, I’d make sure it wasn’t dragging on the ground. I would just try to help out with how I feel. You know, they’d have standard costumes that I’d modify and the professionals would modify.
20. Would you come back as Ghostface if there was a Season 4? It depends on what other job opportunities are available. I'm not gonna say no, but I can take it or leave it. It happens if I have an opening in my schedule, I'd probably do it.
1B. Here are the questions I asked Stanton Barrett (Season 1 Stuntman); Tell me your thoughts on this one too:
1. What stunts do you mainly specialize in? A lot of cars and motorcycles, bikes, skiing, mountain bikes. I did six professional sports and I’ve been doing stunts for 30 years so I’d say about almost everything, haha. Fight scenes are pretty fun. There’s always a lot going on with them. That makes it interesting and significant.
2. How was it like playing the Lakewood Slasher? It's just like any other part. I guess playing the part, you know? When you have the mask on, you, you gotta use more movements and body language and things to make it tell the story. The mask was uncomfortable for a while but we made some adjustments to get it comfortable. I was a pretty intrical part of helping, like, giving them ideas on how to make that work and more functional so they took my ideas and made it.
3. Did you have a favorite cast member working with on set? Yeah, the lead actress (Willa Fitzgerald) was amazing. I enjoyed Emma’s actress. A real actress with talent.
4. Did you get a chance to see the series at all? Uh, no actually I didn’t really watch any of them.
5. Did you have a favorite kill performing? No, I’m not really into that stuff too much. I didn’t really remember any of those scenes really too much. I mean, anything with action is fun. To create a character, how to make it a part of a story. But scary movies is not my thing.
6. Did you use a prop knife for most of a time or was it a real buck knife? No, they are prop knives.
7. Did you have a favorite stunt moment? No, just another day at the office, haha.
8. Did you have a most scary/tiring stunt moment? No, I don’t do scenes I’m afraid of.
9. How was it like working with the Scream Team? I don’t remember any specific director working with. Uh, Brian (Brian Dannelly, Director of Episodes 4 and 5) I do remember him. He’s great. But I mean, overall most crews are pretty good with productions.
10. Do YOU like scary movies? No, I like making them. Much action and creative it takes but I don’t like watching them.
1C. Here is my Q&A with Geoff Scovell (Slasher Season 3 Stuntman Druid) P.S. I'll ask him more questions soon. :) Tell me your thoughts on the questions and answers he gave.
1. Do you have a favorite kill? The live dissection (vivisection) was interesting. The prop we used could only be cut up once so I had to be perfect with my cuts. I wasn’t sure how the prosthetic would react when the knife went in.
2. Favorite stunt moment doing? The scene with Violet was an interesting day. Had fun on that one.
3. Favorite weapon used? The knife was my personal fav, less bulky and I know how to use it. 😂
4. Favorite cast member working with? Fav by far was Paula. But I know Lisa from way back.
5. What was the most tiring thing while as the Druid? I was drenched every single time that I wore the costume for every scene. We filmed over the summer. 😰
6. How was it like wearing the mask and costume? The wardrobe is difficult to work in and very hot. but I thought it looked super cool! It was a fun job. I was there to keep people safe during the action scenes.
7. Most challenging stunt? All of them were tricky. Being aggressive while keeping the actors safe and performing in that outfit was hard. It was very hot and visibility was minimal.
2. The Executioner costed me like $450 to make. The Camp Motega Killer costed me around $185. The Druid costed me like $475 to create. So, yeah, in total around 1K.
3. I didn't "meet" them persay. However, I contacted them on Instagram. The actors are soo nice to talk to and they provided great insight on everything about the show, and how it was like on set. :)
4. Shredder was... interesting. I wasn't fond of the story, the characters were forgetable, and the killer was easily able to be picked out. I saw it coming a mile away once I narrowed it down. My favorite kill is the opening kill, with the guy chopped to bits. I think I prefer Urban Legend to this.
1: Don't really have a lot to say, other than this. I have a Ghostface costume, I can confirm that it's hard to breathe and hard to see in it. As much as I love the Ghostface outfit, in real life, it would be impractical for a killer to wear it. Though, that can be said about any mask. I mean, your peripheral vision is terrible in a mask. It'd be easy to get jumped from behind.
2: Wow, you must be rich. Also, where do you even keep them? Do you have mannequins to display them on?
3: Then how'd you get them to autograph your costume?
4: I like Shredder, because it reminds me of the Era I grew up in. It's definitely not the best movie for story or characters, but it is a fun little slasher film. Also, the kills are pretty good. My favorite kill was either Kirk's death or Skylar's. I do like the build up to Kim's death, but I hate that it cuts away.
Also, yeah Shelly was pretty obvious. Though, I do wonder if Bud was involved. In the credits, Shelly is referred to as The Evil Skier, but Bud is referred to as The Mystery Skier. So, I'm assuming that means, Bud is the skier that was just stalking about, while Shelly was the one doing the killing. Of course, they could've worked together.
5: Laid to Rest is a 2009 slasher film about a depraved serial killer named ChromeSkull. The movie focuses on one of his victims' attempts to escape and regain her memory. ChromeSkull pursues her throughout and kills a bunch of people. He's a mute, he wears a chrome-plated skull mask, and he has jagged hunting knives that he tears people up with. He's pretty brutal and gorey. There's also a sequel.
1: Cool. Isn't the Student Film Killer's costume, just a hooded trench coat and a fencing mask?
2: The looks of a killer are what get me interested in horror-related stuff. If they don't have something unique about them, it just doesn't click with me.
3: Yes and I need help expanding them. Just take a look at the pages, and you'll notice that the biography sections and episode sections are very empty.
4: Yeah, I remember the Scream killers. Stu was played by Matthew Lillard, who I know from Scooby-Doo. Mickey was pretty damn athletic, Debbie killed Randy, Roman is responsible for creating the Ghostface killer and had an OP voice mimicker, Jill is a hate sink who has a motive that kind of reminds me of the Student Film Killer's, Charlie's the worst and played by Henry Evans's brother, Jay somehow managed to outfight a war veteran, and Beth gave easily one of the most hard-to-watch kills of the series.
1. The killer wears a hooded leather coat, a fencing mask, and gloves. I am selling it for $140. Interested? Here are some pics. https://imgur.com/a/Wto725F
2. Just wondering, did you like the look of all the Slasher S1-S3 killers, and Ghostface (Movies and TV Series) and Lakewood Slasher? Anything you liked about all of them and anything you hated about the looks?
3. Which page should I start on?
4. Do you remember Piper and Kieran? Just wondering, I know you haven't rewatched the series, but just going off the top, how would you rank the killers worst to best? Charlie is definetly the worst. Dude had no motive and was whipped hard.
1: It looks like a trench coat, the way it droops down in the back and opens in the front.
2: Of course. I didn't hate any of the looks. The Slasher killers all had unique looks, with The Druid being my favorite. That mask and coat just look so badass. Ghostface is one of my favorite killer costumes ever. I liked the Lakewood Slasher costume as well and I understood why it was done, as the killer isn't supposed to be Ghostface. I prefer referring to that killer as The Lakewood Slasher or Hush.
3: Cameron Henry.
4: Yeah, I remember them. I told you, I remember all the Scream Killers. I just didn't list them because I don't refer to them as Ghostface killers.
5: I'm confused. Haven't you already asked that question?
1. It looks like a trench coat but it's leather. Just wondering, are you interested in the costue?
2. What did you think of The Camp Motega and The Executioner? I thought the Executioner was the scariest killer of all time. Yes, even more than Jason and Michael Myers. It was a one-time topper. The Camp Motega outfit was.. okay. It wasn't scary and was too basic for me.
3. Okay, I can get started on that. Me and Steve Byers talked so I can put useful information there. :)
4. Yeah, I know I asked that question, but I wanted to know from the top of your head what your ranking could be. If possible, on the fly, can you tell me it?
5. Just wondering, whats your name, how old are you, and where are you located? I can start first. I am Sam, I am 17, a senior in high school, and I am located in New Jersey, United States.
1: I know it's leather, I can tell because of how tight it looks. But, I thought it was a leather trench coat, due to how it looks. I would be. But, I don't have that kind of money. Plus, I don't think it would fit.
2: I liked the Motega Killer. The stained blood on the jacket is a nice touch. Yeah, it's basic, but it's a good type of basic. Not like a guy in a polo and jeans basic. The Executioner is pretty cool. I wouldn't say he's scary, though. In fact, no slashers are scary. Not Michael, not Jason, not even ChromeSkull. The Collector and Jigsaw are only disturbing because of their fetish for torture.
4: I can try, but I can't really give detailed reasons.
Roman > Kieran > Jill > Piper > Jay > Beth > Mickey > Stu > Billy > Debbie > Charlie
5: Woah, buddy. I don't really think it's a good idea to give out information like that.
1. Is that what you did for your Slasher killer ranking? Judy > Jennifer > Cameron > Connor > Tom > Wyatt? This is your ranking.
2. What's your name? My name is Sam. Nice to "meet" you. :)
3. I have seen My Bloody Valentine, the remake and the original. I have seen Valentine. I have seen Prom Night but it was a long long time ago. I have seen Terror Train, Maniac Cop, Slaughter High, and The Prowler. Matt Cordell (Maniac Cop) is one of the most strongest killers, next to Jason and Michael.
1. MBV: Remake 3D or Original and why? I prefer the original because the effects in the remake were bad and I like the storyline better.
2. I saw you saw MLTD (2015). What did you think? It was a cool B movie. Did you guess the killer correctly? I actually got my mask signed by the killer DJ played by Chad Addison and the guy who played the Graduate, Jason Tobias. I also made a cosplay for that! https://imgur.com/a/gAmp1RZ What do you think? I even have the exact knife used in the movie!
3. I really wanna watch some of the movies like The Burning, Night School, Graduation Day, Final Exam, Curtains, Nightmare Beach, and rewatch the Prowler.
4. Were you suprised Jermey was the killer in Valentine? I wasn't. Because it is basically a Scream ripoff, and I knew the killer had to be someone with a nose bleed and since Boreanaz was the only guy there, I suspected him in about the middle. I can't believe he got away with everything.
5. Do you know of any other horror whodunnit slasher movies/shows?
1: Somewhat, but the Slasher killers were easier to rank since there was only 6.
2: I'd rather not reveal my name.
3: Nah, man. Cordell's strong, but Victor Crowley rips people apart.
1: The original is so much better. The characters are more likeable, the original has a better tone, and the story was better. The Miner is a high contender for my favorite horror movie killer costume.
2: That movie was on Netflix. I watched it because I thought the killer looked unique. Yeah, it is a cool B-movie. I don't remember if I got it right, but DJ's yearbook superlative kind of gives it away. The Graduate is so underrated.
3: Final Exam wasn't that good. The killer is literally just a dude with a bad haircut. Kind of like Anton Chigurh from No Country For Old Men. It has a good theme, though. You can watch The Burning, The Prowler, Graduation Day, Curtains, and Nightmare Beach on Youtube for free.
4: Valentine was okay. I thought it was a bit long, though. It was supposed to be obvious that it was Jeremy. The mystery was figuring out which guy was Jeremy. Why, though? After what happened to him in the opening of the movie, I can't think of any other ending more fitting for him.
5: Cheerleader Camp, Cherry Falls, Happy Birthday to Me, Iced, The Nail Gun Massacre, Sorority Row.
6: Yeah, I binge-watched that show up to Season 7.
1. I agree the original was so much better. I need to watch more horror movies soon! :) What is your absolute favorite horror movie costume, and how would you rank the costumes? We have The Other, The Executioner, The Druid, The Camp Motega Killer, The Lakewood Slasher, The Miner, Ghostface (Scream: Resurrection), Ghostface (Scream 1-4), Babyface Killer (Happy Death Day / Happy Death Day 2U) and The Graduate.
2. I agot my mask signed by the killer DJ played by Chad Addison and the guy who played the Graduate, Jason Tobias. I also made a cosplay for that! https://imgur.com/a/gAmp1RZ What do you think? I even have the exact knife used in the movie!
3. I'll get to all the movies soon. :)
4. Valentine felt like a Scream ripoff to me, to be honest. Like Urban Legend, Valentine, and all the movies after Scream involving a whodunnit is basically Scream.
5. Thank you! I'll get to all those movies too. ;)
6. What did you think of the show Criminal Minds? Any favorite character? Favorite killer? Favorite episode?
1. When will you be getting to American Horror Story?
2. Have you seen Circle, Would You Rather or Invasion of the Body Snatchers?
1A: Not sure. I would have trouble narrowing it down to these.
The Miner, Dr. Decker, Ghostface, Horny the Clown, The Fisherman, The Metal Killer, The Headhunter, The Urban Legend Killer, and The Killer from House on Sorority Row.
1B: As in your costumes?
2: That's cool. Did you also insert razor blades into your hat?
4: I guess. Felt more like Slaughter High and Terror Train to me.
5: No problem. Slight warning though. Nail Gun Massacre has a rape scene at the beginning.
6: I love it. It reminds me a lot of the slasher genre, and I love that we get to see more of the criminal's actions. Even some of the killers wear masks. I like all the characters. Reid and Hotch are probably my favorites, though.
Favorite Killer(s): Vincent Perotta, Jonny McHale, Martin Doyle, Sarah Danlin, Owen Savage, Adam Jackson, Vincent Rowlings, The Reaper, Ronald Boyd, Boyd Schuller and Tony Mecacci, Ray and Syd.
Favorite Episode(s): Natural Born Killer, Roadkill, Reckoner, The Big Wheel, Ashes and Dust, The Last Word, Public Enemy, Profiler, Profiled, Burn, The Thirteenth Step.
1: No idea.
2: No, I'm basically only interested in the slashers/serial killer/whodunit type horror movies.
3: No. I'm not really interested in it, because there's no masked killer. It's just a force of nature.
1A and 1B. I mean, yes and no. They are "mine" or the ones I have but they are ALSO horror whodunnit slashers / masked killers. Can you incorporate these killers into your list?
- The Executioner
- The Druid
- The Camp Motega Killer
- The Lakewood Slasher
- Ghostface (Scream: Resurrection)
- Babyface Killer (Happy Death Day / Happy Death Day 2U)
- The Graduate.
2. I didn't put razor blades in my hat. I can try, but need to find/get one first!
3. Speaking of rape, (sounds weird but being honest) was the GP Benny rape scene hard for you to watch? It kinda was for me, tbh.
4. I love Criminal Minds too. I'm on Season 7 Episode 16. I am almost halfway there! I'll search those killers up too. I forgot alot of them, but I am familiar with The Reaper played by C. Thomas Howell AKA Ponyboy from The Outsiders, Tony Mecacci the Hitman who got away, Owen was the gunman who protected his girlfriend, Johnny McHale the former comic book artist turned vigilante played by Malcom from Malcom in the Middle, and Ray and Syd, the lovers who shoot up places.
1A and B: Don't quite get what you're asking here.
3: Yeah. Rape scenes in general are hard-to-watch. But, then you find out Noah tried to rape Tavlinder, and it's like. Oh, well he kind of deserved it, then.
4: Marvin Doyle was the vigilante in the episode A Real Rain, Vincent Perotta was a psychopathic hitman in the episode Natural Born Killer, Sarah Danlin was a serial killer in the episode Jones, Adam Jackson was a dissociative serial killer in the episode Conflicted, Vincent Rowlings was a serial killer in the episode The Big Wheel, Ronald Boyd was a serial killer in the episode A Rite of Passage, Boyd Schuller was the vigilante judge who payed Tony Mecacci to kill people who escaped justice in the episode Reckoner. Also Tony Mecacci didn't get away. He got killed at the end by the vengeful friend of that one guy Rossi was friends with.
5: Stage Fright (2014), Club Dread, Cutthroat Alley, Cutting Class, Deadly Games (1982), Demons Never Die, Detention (2011), Fatal Games, Girls Nite Out, Killer Workout, My Soul to Take, Shadows Run Black, Sweet Sixteen.
The only one out of this list I have watched is Stage Fright. They are all on my list, so I don't know if they're bad or good.
1. I mean, how would you rank the costumes from whodunnit slashers? We have The Other, The Executioner, The Druid, The Camp Motega Killer, The Lakewood Slasher, The Miner, Ghostface (Scream: Resurrection), Ghostface (Scream 1-4), Urban Legend 1 and 2, Valentine 2001 Killer, Babyface Killer (Happy Death Day / Happy Death Day 2U) and The Graduate. Like from cool design and awesome setup to the most simple and basic? Any others I am forgetting?
4. Thank you for all the insight on the killers. Just wondering, is there any whodunnit slasher masked killer esque episodes of Criminal Minds?
5. Thank you for the list! I have to watch alot now!
6. Do you remember Deputy Dwayne from Season 2 of Scream? I just contacted the actor, Patrick Walker, the actor who plays Deputy Dwayne. Here is his confirmation! https://imgur.com/a/S480Csg Dwayne is dead! This brings up Kieran's kill count to a dozen people, having killed 3 people (Rachel, Will, and Clark) in Season 1 and 9 (Jake, Eddie, Seth, Dwayne, Haley, Zoe, Mayor, Stevens, Eli) in Season 2. This fits accordingly with the judges statement.
1. How come you prefer the Camp Motega Killer > The Executioner?
4. I don't know if I viewed them yet. But that's okay. I'll revisit them sometime. :)
5. I am going to edit the Cam Henry page more.
6. Who do you think is the most evil Slasher killer? My ranking is this:
Cam > Jen > Wyatt > Connor > Judith > Tom
7. Which killer do you prefer? Brenda Bates or Professor Solomon? I prefer Brenda way better. She got away with it, and she had some of the most brutal kills. Also she had a better motive, despite being crazy. She reminds me of a mix between Judith and Kieran. Also, I know Solomon is in a mental asylum, but at least he lived in the end.
1: I don't know. I just like the look of it more than The Executioner. Guess I have a thing for hoods.
4: You said, you've gotten up to Season 7. All the episodes I listed are before Season 7.
6: Jen > Wyatt > Cam > Connor > Judith > Tom
Jen's number one because of that gruesome dissection on the teacher. The only people who deserve that are convicted serial rapists, child molesters, sex traffickers, and torturer serial killers that target innocent people.
7: Brenda, definitely. She had a more unique look and had a better motive for why she chose to kill using urban legends. Brenda lived too. She's Solomon's nurse. I think they were planning to have the two team up at some point.
Just wondering, I know we talked about Scream killers before, but how about via categories? I am doing a side project where I rank the killers. These are my categories and tell me if you agree with them:
1. KILLS (count): Kieran > Roman > Mickey > Jill > Piper > Beth > Stu > Charlie > Jay > Billy > Debbie
2. INTELLIGENCE: Roman > Piper > Kieran > Jill > Debbie > Beth > Jamal > Mickey > Billy > Charlie > Stu
3. PLAN AND EXECUTION: Jill > Kieran, (Jill and Kieran were so close to getting away with it, but it was a verbal slipup) Piper > Debbie > Jay > (Jay ranks here cause he did get Marcus to confess but he didn't live to see or hear the tale and died) Roman > Mickey > Billy > Beth (she just wanted to kill everyone? What plan is that?) > Stu > Charlie
4. MOTIVE: (This involves sole motivation but also why they did what they did and why they killed who they killed. 'What would your list be?)
a. Jay Elliot (revenge for Marcus taking Deion's name, and revenge on Deion for making his mom commit suicide, and killed Tommy/Hookman for revenge, and Avery for wanting to start the game seriously. Unsure why he would kill LT. Maybe a deal gone bad?)
b. Piper Shaw (killing Maggie and Emma for the life Emma had and Maggie giving her up, killed cop to frame Seth for the killings, killed Nina, Riley and Will because he wanted to torture Emma, and Greyson to make sure everyone was gone. Maybe attacking Audrey cause of the fight)
c. Kieran Wilcox (wanted revenge for his dad leaving him out of the family, implied he killed his mom and stepdad to get to Lakewood or even cause he resented them. Also killing was better than theray, and also known confimed reasons. He killed Rachel to protect his girlfriend, Will was personal, Clark too, and with every victim close to Emma and Audrey, killed to frame them)
d. Debbie Loomis (Debbie kiled Randy because he badmouthed Billy, but beforehand, what was she doing? It made no sense, but I do understand that I guess. She was willing to avenge her son's death from the Scream 1 gang)
e. Jill Roberts (she wanted to gain fame by killling Sidney, she wanted to kill Trevor and Jenny for cheating on Jill, killed 2 armed officers cause they got in the way, killed her mom cause she loved Sidney more, and killing Charlie to frame as the killer)
f. Roman Bridger (wanted to kill Maureen Prescott for abandoning him, and kill Sidney for stealing the life she had. Unknown why kill 9 people. It would have been so much better to say "he killed these 9 people to create the romantic drama he always wanted.")
g. Billy Loomis (wanted to kill Sidney, possibly because he saw her as an extension of her mom, or maybe Roman convinced her. Probably because he thought she was a slut and didn't want that happening to anyone else. Unknown why he would kill Tatum or Himbry though)
h. Mickey Altieri (after watching a video of Mickey, blaming the motives isn't a dumb motive. Farfetched, but it is unsure why he would kill 5 people, presumebly 2 cops to get to Sidney and do Debbie's bidding)
i. Stu Macher (Sorry man, peer pressure ain't a motive, but at least its "reasonable"? I mean, it's implied he just went along with Billy. However, I am sure he wanted to kill Steve and Casey like Jill with Trevor and Jenny., but he may have been convinced to do that.)
j. Charlie Walker (Charlie had no motive, and we didn't know his motive revealed. He just was seduced or convinced by Jill, but at least he killed some girls because he couldn't have them and because he's whiny, and Kirby finally noticed him, and Jill probably told him what to do, like a fucking dog.)
k. Beth (she was born bad? she wanted to be the best villain? She doesn't compare to any of the Ghostfaces haha. But did she wanna expose people as hypocrites? What was she doing?!)
5. TREACHARY: Jill > Kieran > Roman > Piper > Beth > Mickey > Billy > Jay > Debbie > Stu > Charlie
1: Can't really argue with the list, because it's based on facts.
2: I don't know. Roman would be Number One for sure.
3: Don't know.
4: See, I don't really analyze it the way you do. I just base it off of their base motive. I don't care why they killed certain people, mainly because a lot of slasher films just add in random people to rack up the body count. This is just off the top of my head, so it's likely not accurate.
Jay | Revenge for his brother's death.
Debbie | Revenge for her son's death.
Roman | Rejected by his mother.
Piper | Gave away by her mother, jealous of Emma's life
Billy | Family broken up by Maureen.
Jill | Jealous of her mother's love for Sidney, jealous of Sidney's fame.
Stu | Revenge for being dumped, peer pressure.
Kieran | Killing is therapeutic, revenge for Piper's death.
Mickey/Beth | Psychopaths/Sociopaths influenced by horror movies.
Charlie | Whipped like the family pig.
What about the killers from other movies? How would you rank their motives? Just in case, you need to know who I'm talking about.
2. If you were to take all the killers intelligence into account, what would be your list? Mine is definetly Roman at #1 but the rest; Piper > Kieran > Jill > Debbie > Beth > Jamal > Mickey > Billy > Charlie > Stu
3. If you were to make a list of the plan and the execution, what would yours be?
4. Great point. I kinda take it literally even though I know it is a horror show. I made some corrections to the people but looking at it from here, what do you think? This is my list from the base motive's prespective. I added more details because you forgot some. What do you think?
Debbie | Revenge for her son's death.
Jay | Revenge for Deion's death, and revenge for Marcus stealing his brothers identity resulting in Jay's abandonment and mother's suicide
Kieran | Revenge for Piper's death. Paternal abandoment against his father in S1
Piper | Gave away by her mother, jealous of Emma's life
Roman | Rejected by his mother and Sidney had the perfect life
Jill | Jealous of her mother's love for Sidney, jealous of Sidney's fame.
Billy | Family broken up by Maureen.
Stu | Revenge for being dumped, peer pressure.
Mickey/Beth | Psychopaths/Sociopaths influenced by horror movies.
Charlie | Whipped like the family pig.
5. If you were to analyze the motive list the way I do, what would be your list? Here it is again. I re-ranked it. Tell me if I am incorrect on anything.
Jay | Revenge for Deion's death, and revenge for Marcus stealing his brothers identity resulting in Jay's abandonment and mother's suicide. Tommy and Hookman caused Deion's death, and Avery was to show the Breakfast Club that he meant buisness.
Piper | Killing Maggie and Emma for the life Emma had and Maggie giving her up, killed cop to frame Seth for the killings, killed Nina, Riley and Will because he wanted to torture Emma, and Greyson to make sure everyone was gone.
Debbie | Debbie kiled Randy because he badmouthed Billy and she wanted to kill Sidney because she killed him
Kieran | Wanted revenge for his dad leaving him out of the family, implied he killed his mom and stepdad to get to Lakewood or even cause he resented them. Also killing was better than theray, and also known confimed reasons. He killed Rachel to protect his girlfriend, Will was personal, Clark too, and with every victim close to Emma and Audrey, killed to frame them.
Jill | She wanted to gain fame by killling Sidney, she wanted to kill Trevor and Jenny for cheating on Jill, killed 2 armed officers cause they got in the way, killed her mom cause she loved Sidney more, and killing Charlie to frame as the killer.
Billy | Family broken up by Maureen, Himbry to get people out of the house, and Tatum? I don't even have a clue.
Roman | Rejected by his mother and Sidney had the perfect life but don't know why he killed the 9.
Stu | Revenge for being dumped, Kenny because I suppose Billy told him to get rid of anyone who gets in the way
Mickey | Kill people to become famous as the killer and get aquitted for all murder charges
Beth | She wanted to be the better monster in horror movies, and she killed Jay because he ratted her out.
Charlie | Whipped hard and easily seduced by Jill. Killing a girl for not going out with him? WTF? No motive WHAT-SO-EVER!
6. How about Slasher killers?
a. KILLS: Cam > Judith > Jennifer > Connor > Tom > Wyatt
b. INTELLIGENCE: Jen > Cam > Connor > Judith > Tom > Wyatt
c. MOTIVE: Judith > Jen > Cam > Connor > Wyatt > Tom
d. PLAN AND EXECUTION: Jen > Judith > Connor > Cam > Tom > Wyatt
e. TREACHARY: Cam > Judith > Jen > Connor > Tom > Wyatt
7. My list is almost done, but should I include all 4 killers for Babyface?
2. Nice list. You forgot Beth though. Where would she be? Also how come Jill before Kieran? Kieran did all that hacking by himself, and was the only killer for 1 spree, unlike the others (except Roman).
4. What about the other stuff?
6D. How come Jen after Judith?
6E. How come Wyatt after Tom? Tom killed a lover who respected him, while Noelle never loved Wyatt.
2. How come Jill before Kieran? Kieran did all that hacking by himself, and was the only killer for 1 spree, unlike the others (except Roman). He also was a master lock picker, hacker, and was probably the most sly killer ever.
6d. Do you think Judith will be caught by police? I find it dumb that there isn't a manhunt out for her.
7. Here is my list of the other killers. What do you think?
Brenda Bates | Get revenge on Natallie for killing her fiance and make all of her friends Urban Legends)
The Prowler | Kill Rosemary and her boyfriend for cheating on him, not sure why he killed the other people though, but your rules I guess haha
Professor Solomon | Pass Trevors film off as his own by killing the cast and to become famous, and to frame Amy with the murders)
The Graduate | Kill the people who made John's life hell
Babyface (Ryan Phan) | Needed to kill his clone to close the portal
Jeremy Melton | Get revenge on the girls who made fun of / and or rejected him (not sure why he killed Gary, the maid, etc)
Babyface (Dr. Butler / Gregory) | Wanted to cover up the affair with Lori
The Evil Skier (Got revenge on people who didn't follow rules on the mountain)
Babyface (Lori Spengler) | Wanted to kill Tree for sleeping with Gregory
Babyface (John Tombs) | Kill as many college girls as he can
The Miner | I honestly don't even know why they killed. Axel saw his dad get killed. Tom snapped and found Harry's mask. WTF?
2. If I am not mistaken, Jill had a verbal slipup with her words of "matching wounds".
6D. I think Dawn and Kiera will confess that it was Judith.
7. That is a good list. However, Professor Solomon down 3rd last? I am not sure about that. I think that Solomon should be above Shelly. With the Miner, split personalities isn't a reason to go killing. People could argue that they were possessed by Harry Warden, but not sure. I might need to do a rewatch as well.
8. Thanks! I watched that a month go and I do remember that. ;)
9. Are you gonna make a Camp Motega Killer page? I went on there, but saw it was directed to Judith Berry. Why no calling her The Camp Motega Killer? Also, your doing seperate pages for Jen, Connor, and Wyatt, right?
2: Oh, really. It's been a while, so I don't remember stuff like that.
6D: Did Dawn and Kiera know that it was Judith? I thought Peter was the last one to know it was Judith.
7: I base mine off of who has the best and most tragic motive.
7A: Solomon doing it for fame and petty revenge just seems dumb. Kind of like Jill.
7B: Shelly, at least had her mother and sister's death that caused her hatred and is more understandable.
7C: Axel and Tom's split personalities were made from their trauma. Also, people with DID can't control their other personality and are usually unaware that it exists. So, it is understandable and tragic.
9: No. It's in her list of aliases. Also, Guilty Party isn't spoiler terroritory anymore. Yes. I just haven't gotten around to it.
10: Is her name really Judith Berry, or is that just an alias. Because since she's Owen's mother, wouldn't that make her Judith Turnbull?
11: What horror movies do you own, like as in for dvd or blu-ray? Me, these are all DVD format. I hate Blu-Ray.
A Nightmare on Elm Street 4: The Dream Master
Seed of Chucky
Curse of Chucky
Friday the 13th (1980)
Friday the 13th: A New Beginning
Friday the 13th Part VI: Jason Lives
Friday the 13th Part VII: The New Blood
Friday the 13th VIII: Jason Takes Manhattan
Jason Goes to Hell: The Final Friday
Freddy vs Jason
Friday the 13th (2009)
Halloween 4: The Return of Michael Myers
Halloween 5: The Revenge of Michael Myers
Halloween II (2009)
Happy Death Day 2U
Hell Fest (2018)
I Know What You Did Last Summer
I Still Know What You Did Last Summer
I'll Always Know What You Did Last Summer
Joy Ride 2: Dead Ahead
Laid to Rest 2: ChromeSkull
Leprechaun 4: In Space
Leprechaun in the Hood
Leprechaun: Back 2 tha Hood
Most Likely to Die (2015)
Prom Night (1980)
Shriek If You Know What I Did Last Friday the 13th (2000)
1: On your motives list, where would you rank Marty Rantzen from Slaughter High?
6D: Didn't remember that.
10B: I don't know.
11: I like to have a physical copy. Because there's no guarantee a movie's gonna be on the internet forever. Netlfix and Youtube take stuff off all the time. Also, you want to get a copy before their rarity starts increasing the prices.
12: Upon another viewing of Shredder, I noticed that Shelly and Bud do have last names. Robyn reads it off a brochure while they're at the gate. She says the resort was owned by Buddy Williams who had two daughters and a wife. So, her name is Shelly Williams. I'm finally happy that I can put a last name to her. Sad that it took 5 viewings to make the connection that Bud = Buddy. Which also explains why there were trophies in Shelly's lair, because Buddy was an Olympic Champion skier. Yet more evidence that Bud was working with Shelly to commit the murders.
1: Yes, but the motive was still there. Also, it's implied that's what he either did or was going to do once he escaped. So, where would you rank him?
2: I don't know how names work. Maybe Wilcox was just an alias, or it's possible his mother was a Wilcox.
3: I mean, according to the credits. Bud was the Mystery Skier that was stalking up on the mountains. I think Shelly was the main killer, but I do question how she was able to lock Cole in the freezer and still have time to catch up to Pike. It's like she teleports, or Bud was the one who locked Cole in the freezer. Either way, they both have the same motive, so it'd kind of be pointless. I did consider making a page for Bud, but I feel like I would just be regurgitating Shelly's bio, also there's no real well to tell who's who during the murders.
4A: Don't really have that many thoughts on it. It's cool that you split them into categories, but those essentially mean nothing to me. There's too many killers to keep track of, to remember any of those specific details. Kieran was by far the most brutal. Splitting Jake with the scythe, and cauterizing Seth's stump of a hand.
In terms of brutality, stabbing someone in the eye with a syringe and injecting drugs into them through the eye, is just...cringe. Like, seriously, that is probably the first time in Scream, I nearly looked away. Eye stuff, is just the worst.
You know who else stabbed someone in the eye with a syringe? The Other.
3. Not sure, but I think they just had what's avaliable. They are father and daughter so I assume they went to the same store or place to buy the same clothes.
5. Aaron Martin (creator) and Ian Carpenter (showrunner) were talking in their car last month. I am assuming there is gonna be a Slasher: S4. Any costume ideas? I am hoping for an animalistic killer, like The Raven. Or something jungle/sand esque. Any location? I hope it is the beach, jungle, or island.
3: The thing is, Bud has this sinister aura to him, when Cole confronts him. Also, before Cole confronted him, who turned off the lift?
5: Good to know. I haven't seen any slashers/serial killers dressed as firefighters, yet. So maybe that, and they burn people alive after torturing them in buildings. The setting would likely be a city.
Animalistic would be good, too. Sort of a thrill-killer in the forest schtick.
3. Hmm, good point. Maybe Bud was just trying to get all the mountaniers off, and wanted them gone. Not killing but getting out.
5A. How about a restarunt killer? Auto body shop?
5B. Any motives you'd like to see? I wanna see Dark-Web, Bitcoin, Blackmail, Voodoo/Curse, Human Sacrifice, Ritual and Cannibalism. Those are new but they would be grim! They have never been done before!
5C. Also, this would be dark, but how about Ghostface, but instead, middle schoolers? Like yes, dark, but Ghostface would be probably 8th grader. We would need a female stunt double around the height of 5'4" to play the killer though. But what do you think of a middle school slasher?
Question: Do you like Anime? How about Attack on Titan? So, it is horror. It's like Game of Thrones meets Texas Chainsaw Massacre. The second half is like a slasher whodunnit.
Have you seen Erased? It is also a slasher whodunnit tv series.
Any other slasher whodunnit movies/tv series you know about?
5B: I mean, sure. Depends on how it's done. I would rather not have a cult in Slasher. So, if they do Human sacrifice, it better be one person or four people maximum. We don't need a team of lackeys/fodder.
4: I've heard things about it. It's got serial killers and an overarching mystery. Seems interesting. Though, I already spoiled some of it for myself.
6: Eleborating further on the firefighter killer. He/she would wear a gas mask, like one that firefighters use to keep from inhaling smoke. I wasn't talking about a just a dude in a firefighter hat.
4: That's interesting. I heard Cole Sprouse is also in it.
6: Perhaps for the body, a tattered and burnt-looking firefighter outfit. The burnt and tattered areas would have some kind of meaning to the killer, as they were intentionally done. Firefighters have pretty cool outfits, and it looks even better with the gas mask. Maybe, for uniqueness, they could go with an old firefighter mask. If you need to know what I'm talking about, look up firefighter gas mask old.
6: Well, I was thinking more along the lines of in a city. The killer commits arson and murder. He burns them alive inside of a building that burns down. Maybe, perhaps the killer could target firefighter stations and firefighters.
5A. Any ideas for a chef or home depot worker then?
6. That could be good. I just feel that the station could serve as a good location too. But I don't want this killer to burn them alive all the time. Maybe drowning with a water hose, hanging, falling off of a building, stabbings with a knife, any ideas?
6: As for how he/she uses those weapons, I'm not sure. But, I think they could make for some unique and brutal kills. Maybe, for the fire hose, he/she sticks it down someone's throat and overinflates them with water till they pop.
This all depends, because all states have different punishments and these guys are guilty for more than just serial homicide. Also, there really is no way to tell how a trial will go. So, this basically just guesswork based off of what I read on a Law website.
Stalking - 1 Year
Rape/Sexual Assault - 8-10 Years
Kidnapping - 8 Years
3 First Degree Murders - 75 Years
Add that up and you get 94 Years in prison. Likely, medium security.
He's a teen, but he's also full of rage and depravity.
Rape/Sexual Assault - 6 Years
Kidnapping - 6 Years
3 First Degree Murders - 70 Years
Conclusion: 82 Years, medium security.
7 First Degree Murders
Life Imprisonment, maximum security. Two of his victims were cops.
Second Degree Murder - 5-11 Years
Conspiracy - 5-20 Years
Conclusion: 10 - 31 Years, low security.
Conspiracy to commit serial homicide - 10-30 Years
9 First Degree Murders - 225 Years
Arson and Murder - Life imprisonment
Conclusion: Life Imprisonment, maximum security.
3 First Degree Murders - 70 Years
Conspiracy to commit serial homicide - 5-11 Years
Conclusion: 75-81 Years, medium security.
Life Imprisonment or Death Penalty, maximum security.
5 First Degree Murders - 125 Years
Stalking - 1-5 Years
Conclusion: 126-130 Years, medium security.
Don't really need to list out his crimes. He would've very easily been found guilty and sentenced to life imprisonment or death.
Conspiracy to commit serial homicide -
5 First Degree Murders - 125-130 Years
Arson - Life
Kidnapping - 20 Years
Conclusion: Life Imprisonment, medium security.
Conspiracy to commit murder - 3-7 Years
3 First Degree Murders - 43 Years
Conclusion - 46-50 Years, medium security.
I agree with your ranking on Slasher. Jen was by far the most diverse.
C. Which killers in Scream and Slasher do YOU think deserve the least time? I'd say Jay deserves the least time. He killed a racist, a killer, and someone who caused Deion's death. In regards to Slasher? None.
D. What about the most time? I'd say Kieran, Jill, Jen Rijkers, Beth, and Roman really deserve the most. Maybe even the death penalty.
6: Yeah, and it wouldn't surprise me, given how brutal Season 3 was.
A: I just looked up California Criminal Law on Google. Found a website called FindLaw. You're sentencing seems too tame. Even though Jay and Debbie are the two most reasonable killers, they definitely don't have much of a case there. Jay could try to explain why he did it, but most people probably won't find sympathy, because he was an accomplice to Beth's crimes and killed 3 people himself. All of which, he planned to do beforehand. Which is First Degree Murder. If one First Degree Murder can get someone a life sentence, than imagine what 3 would do. Also, I would've given Debbie a voluntary manslaughter charge which would've been a lower sentence, but she was already in the middle of committing a crime when she killed Randy. Even though, she didn't intend to kill Randy, she was harassing him and planning to kill Sidney. Not to mention, she's an accomplice to Mickey's murders and was the whole reason the Windsor College Murders started. So, yeah.....If she wasn't going after innocent college students and was going after a serial killer that murdered her son, she would easily be able to talk her way out of jail. But, her son was a serial killer and was killed in self-defense, so there's probably not gonna be very much sympathy there.
B: Slasher takes place in Canada. So, it's Canadian law were dealing with. Unfortunately, I can't seem to find a website that'll tell me the info I need to know.
The way I order them has nothing to do with their ranking. I just like to go in order of season.
Anyways, I think that all of them would probably receive life sentences. Judith might be able to plead insanity or mental instability, due to her dissociative personality disorder. Tom might be able to talk his way down to Second Degree Murder or Voluntary Manslaughter. The rest are shit out of luck.
Tom Winston: Medium Security.
Cameron Henry: Maximum Security.
Judith Berry: Mental Asylum or Medium, possibly Maximum Security.
Wyatt: Medium Security.
Connor Rijkers: Maximum Security.
Jennifer Rijkers: Maximum Security.
I kind of like the idea of these killers just sitting in prison together. It would be just like "So, what'd you do?"
"I killed a bunch of people. You?"
Everybody: "Same as you."
A. So, I just looked up Atlana Criminal Law. This is applying towards Beth and Jay, as they lived in Atlanta. What do you think? Can you find more insight on this?
Voluntary manslaughter occurs when a person intentionally kills another while under the influence of a sudden and violent passion. This passion must be caused by a serious provocation that would create such passion in a reasonable person. An example of a sufficient provocation would be a person catching his or her spouse in the act of adultery. Voluntary manslaughter is punishable by one to 20 years in prison.
1B. I just found out that all of the killers are shit out of luck. Under Canadian Law, Every one who commits first degree murder or second degree murder is guilty of an indictable offence and shall be sentenced to imprisonment for life. They are eligible for parole in 25 years.
2B. For Judith, who can be shown to have Dissociative Identiy Disorder, could probably end up in a mental asylum. According to Section 16 of the Canadian Criminal Code, the insanity defence consists of two factors: mental illness and the resulting incapacity. "In most insanity tests it is the incapacity that is the critical excusing condition, not the mental illness" (I). The M'Naghten test, which makes a cognitive incapacity or incapacity of "knowing" the excusing condition, is the best known and the oldest. The rationale for this separate process is that, while the accused is not criminally responsible for his or her behaviour, he/she may still be a risk to the public. The rationale for this separate process is that, while the accused is not criminally responsible for his or her behaviour, he/she may still be a risk to the public. The Review Board, therefore, considers both the mental health of the patient and the safety of the public.
3B. Would Tom get life? Because here is the thing. He just went inside the Ingram's home. It wasn't planned. He just tried to kill them.
C. The killers in prison would be great! I am planning on making a fanfiction of all the killers at Camp Motega, before it closed down. Judith and Owen will be at the camp as Owen was a counsleor, Cameron will be there too, as a counselor as well. I'll also include the 5 Counsleors too. And I am thinking about adding Connor and Jennifer as kids, like 5 and 7. What do you think?
D. Did you know about the original Scream 3 storyline?
E. I am also planning on making a Stu meets Mickey meets Kieran fanfiction! Any thoughts?
A: None of Jay's murders were voluntary manslaughter. He planned them. He lured Tommy to that building. He showed up to the party intending to kill someone. He showed up to the junkyard with the intention of killing Hook Man. The prosecution would be able to prove that using the texts.
1B: Yeah, basically.
2B: Most likely. If her lawyers could convince the court that she had DID. If not, they could appeal to the court's sympathy by bringing up her son's suicide.
3B: No, he planned it. He dressed in a costume and brought a machete to the house. That shows he had intent to kill. Also, given that Tom likely wouldn't reveal his reasons for killing them, he would probably receive life. If Tom did try to appeal to the court by telling him that the Ingrams were blackmailing him, then he could possibly talk it down to a lighter sentence.
C: Interesting. Any reason for Camp Motega?
E: How would that go? Are they just gonna fight? Be best friends?
C. The reason is because Cam was a counselor, Judith's son was a counselor, and I suspect for Connor and Jennifer to be there as campers.
D. Originally, before the Columbine Massacre, Stu was actually going to live after his "death" in Scream 1. Stu, while in jail, hired a gang of high school studentsto go after Sidney. You should look up Scream 3 Stu.
E. So, Stu would be in jail, and let's say Sidney got away but Debbie was killed. Mickey almost died of blood loos but miraculously lived and got arrested. Kieran also got arrested and they would be in the same prison.
C. It isn't out of universe. Cam was a counsleor at the same camp! Camp Motega. I picture that Connor and Jen are in the same universe.
E. Fall in love? Haha. I am all for representation, but no. They would team up. Stu can be the mastermind, or the aplha. Mickey can be the beta and Kieran can be the omega. Mickey and Kieran team up and kill inside the prison with the costume, each wearing their respective costume, and kill people. Kieran goes after Emma and Mickey after Sidney, so itlll be same universe.
F. Is it a whodunnit slasher? Does the killer have a unique costume?
C: The thing is, it would be weird if all three Seasons did take place in the same universe. Given that the same actors cameo or play roles in the other seasons. Like the guy who plays Iain Vaughn also plays Dan Olenski in Season 3. So, what is the fanfic gonna be about. Is it a whodunit? Is there gonna be a killer?
E: I was only kidding. But, would Stu really be the mastermind? I mean, Kieran and Mickey were smarter than Stu.
F: Yeah. Somewhat. It's pretty basic, but the weapon stands out. The costume is a dark tracksuit with a hood. The killer wears like a black morph mask over their face.
1. Just wondering, did you have any first impressions/reactions to all the costumes? Specificaly, Ghostface, Brandon James, Executioner, Camp Motega Killer, Druid, Miner, Valentine, Urban Legend 1-2, etc?
2. Did you like the Camp Motega Killer using a gun as the weapon? I felt like when she used it, it felt Terminator esque, and that went on for 3 episodes. It got old to me, tbh and I didn't like it. I wish she used the chainsaw again, or hell, even a shovel.
1: Before I watched Scream, I had already seen the Ghostface costume. I was Ghostface for Halloween once as a kid.
Lakewood Slasher: Well, when I first saw it, I didn't like it. Mainly because I was like, where's the classic outfit. But, I started to warm up to it more once I realized that they were doing their own thing and the costume does serve a purpose other than just being a disguise for the killer. But, honestly when I first saw the mask, I thought it was a bit goofy. Like, that mouth does not look like it's screaming. It looks more like it's being told to scream, but it's just like so fake and nonchalant.
Executioner: I had just started watching Slasher, and I was really hoping for a distinctive-looking killer. I wasn't disappointed.
Camp Motega Killer: Oh, that's what they're going with? A bit basic, but it fits the setting of the story.
The Druid: I remember being psyched for the Season, because I liked the design, a lot.
The Miner: I had seen The Miner before I watched the movie. Hell, the Miner was the whole reason I watched the movie. I love that costume.
Valentine: Once again, the costume is what got me to watch this movie. That mask is just so unique.
As for the Urban Legend movies, I don't remember if I had any reactions or comments to their outfits.
2: Yeah, killers using a gun is like something out of an action movie. They usually use weapons that make for interesting kills, than at the end arm themselves with a gun. Except for Michael Myers, who couldn't shoot a gun to save his life. I agree, they should've just had her go back to using a chainsaw. Maybe it ran out of gas.
3: Speaking of The Camp Motega Killer. Did you ever feel she went a little overboard? I mean she brutally murdered people that didn't have anything to do with Owen's death. Gene, Renee, Megan, Janice. And she shot Janice twice after she was already dead in the same fashion an action movie star would.
1A. I gotta say, I have some of the same reactions.
Lakewood Slasher: I didn't know how to feel about the mask, but in Episode 3 of Season 1, it grew on me alot. I liked the darkness, story, and look of the costume. It definelty is scarier than its ghost counterpart. It is probably one of my favorite top 5 slasher costumes ever!
Executioner: I fell in love with this costume. It is probably the scariest slasher costume! I loved the religous aspect of it. Would you say so?
Camp Motega Killer: I was like, eh. It was basic for my taste too, but definetly fit the setting.
Druid: I thought it was very interesting. It is like a Purge meets Ghostface esque outfit.
Miner: I like the costume. It's very cool. I like it better than The Camp Motega Killer tbh, but it was also simple. Fitting, but simple.
Valentine: The mask was cool and definetly something I haven't seen before.
1B: Just wondering, what first reactions did you have for The Other, The Graduate, The Evil Skier, and Babyface?
2: I agree. It was definetly interesting and new, but for Episode 6, the gun just lost it a bit for me. She felt more like an assassian at that point. And it definetly felt action movie esque.
3A: True, good point. That was mainly her Wren side controlling her, and wanted everyone to pay. Gene was killed because he knew the route back home, Megan was killed because she knew how to get home as well and didn't want them to leave, Janice was just an obstacle in her way. It was meant for Dawn. Renne was killed because she knew Judith was the kiler, and Judith slipped up with "Girls are being buried in caves." I actually noticed that, and that is when Judith became my #1 choice as the killer. I suspected Judith from Episode 3, and I got it right! Also, Mark and Antoine knew she was crazy so she had to get rid of them.
3B: Just wondering, how did her dissociative identiy work? Was the Wren side the one that was really killing? Like, she was persuaded by "Wren" to kill, and then "possessed" her to go onto killing 10 peopel? Judith is 50 years old, yet ran at Andi like a damn track star.
Also, was the Den mother role, actually her real role? Or do you think Wren told her to go to Camp Motega?
1B: Their costumes are why I watched their movies. I don't really have more to say.
2: To be fair, a gun is more practical than a chainsaw. Less cool, but more practical and easier to get away with.
3B: Pretty sure it was the Wren side that was killing. That's why she seemed athletic, because her body believed it was a 18 year old physically fit teen. Also, to my knowledge, I don't recall Judith having any physical problems or being sick. So, she may be 50, but it doesn't mean that she can't be athletic. It is possible that Wren trained her body to get her in shape.
I'm not sure. I feel like it's possible that she really was there to relax, but in her head she was subconsciously driven there by Wren.
3C: Did the weird relationship with Wren make you uncomfortable? Especially since, he's a manifestation of her son?
1. I mean, did you have any first reactions towards the costumes of The Other, The Graduate, The Evil Skier, and Babyface?
2. True, true. But it felt more Terminator esque.
3. Good point. Do you think Wren possessed Judith or something, and told her to kill these 5? Would you count Judith higher on the list or no, cause she had a split personallity?
Also, good point about the relaxtion, that she went there after a loss, and wanted to get back to normal, but maybe the pressure was too much for her to handle so she wantd to kill herself, but this Wren persona took over.
3C. Yes, it is for me. Also "he" was like 25 and shes double his age. Also, just wondering, do you think Owen and her had an incestouous relationship prior?
1. Why was Billy Loomis wanting to kill Sidney?
2. Why did Charlie kill those 4 people (Kirby, Robbie, Olivia, and Marnie?)
1: Not really. I saw the trailer for Happy Death Day in the theaters, and knew that I wanted to see it. I thought the costume was a bit basic, but the mask, once again was unique. Same with The Other. The Graduate was the whole reason I watched Most Likely to Die. I saw a picture of him on Netflix, and thought he looked cool. I found out about Shredder from an artist named Devin Whitehead who does a lot of horror movie drawings. In fact, he's how I found out about The Burning, My Bloody Valentine, The Prowler, Valentine, Curtains, and many other slashers.
3: No. She was mentally ill and developed a split personality, just as Tom had done. Both she and Tom believed someone else was the killer and were not aware of it, because both of their personalities manifested themselves as hallucinations.
3C: I believe that's what it was implying. Why else would Judith fantasize about kissing or having sex with her son? Just, yuck, that was so not needed.
1: I'm honestly not sure. I think possibly, he saw her as an extention of Maureen. Or maybe, he chose her because her dad would be the perfect scapegoat for Maureen's murder and the rest.
2: Along with being under Jill's influence, I imagine he had a lot of rage built up inside him from being unpopular.
1. Any thoughts on the costume in Most Likely to Die or was it just primarilly that you found it awesome?
3. Ah got it.
3C: Yeah, disgusting. I also hated the rape scene in Guilty Party. Noah, may, have deserved it, but the sex scenes were so bad in Guilty Party. In Episode 7, it was like an orgy. Mark with Dawn, Kiera with Peter, Judith with Wren, it felt so off putting to me, considering how the sex scenes were back to back and these relationships came out of nowhere, especially with Dawn being about 23 years old, and Mark in his late 30's. Also, Peter and Kiera's relationship came out of nowhere. What, after witnessing Renne's corpse, Peter enters the room, and they have sex? Yuck. It felt so forced, like they needed it. :(
1. I read on Syfy that, "Then there's the fact that throughout the entire film, Billy is pressuring Sidney to sleep with him. Initially, this can be seen as just another way the film attempts to play into the tropes of its genre. Virgins don't die in horror movies, therefore Sidney needs to face the pressure to lose her virginity in order for it to work. To Stu, this also likely plays into the way Billy has convinced him the murders are supposed to go. The point is to kill people like they do in the movies, so if they're going to kill Sidney in the end, then Sidney can't be a virgin when it happens. For Billy, though, the motivations are much more sinister (yes, more sinister than murder). The entire plot of the film revolves around Billy's feelings about her mother having sex with his father. In a twisted way, sleeping with Sidney, turning her from a symbol of purity to another sexualized woman, makes her more like her mother, more like the thing he actually hates. By having sex with her, he not only gives himself further opportunities to derive pleasure from this entire twisted situation, but he turns Sidney into a surrogate, allowing him to murder her mother all over again."
Maybe he did see Sidney as an extension of Maureen, and wanted to relieve the murder of Maureen. Maybe he even wanted Sidney to payattention to him. Skeet Ulrich said in a Q&A on YouTube that he doesn't know why Billy went after Sidney.
2. That's a wack motive. Actually, I'd say he was just whipped around and killed whoever he wanted to. What a pansy ass wacko.
3. Would you count Judith higher on the list or no, cause she had a split personallity? Cause technically it is not her. It's her split personality killing.
1: Well, I hadn't seen a killer in a graduation outfit, yet. And the mask was unique.
3C: Yeah, I know the series is called Slasher, but that doesn't mean they need to cram in a bunch of sex, and an uncomfortable rape scene. Personally, I think they did it to make us more sympathetic to Noah, before revealing him as a scumbag. In my opinion, the only purpose of a sex scene in a slasher film or tv show should be to have the characters get killed while in the middle of it. It's hilarious when Jason or Michael interrupts two people in the middle of having sex. It's kind of like they're saying "No, shame on you. Now, take this pitchfork through your back."
1: That makes sense, actually. The whole reason that Billy kept pressuring Sid was so she wouldn't be the final girl anymore, fitting into their whole slasher movie schtick.
2: Yeah, Charlie sucks. That's all there needs to be said. Though, he did give us a pretty gory death with Olivia. So, there's that.
3: I mean, Judith and Wren are in the same body. I don't really see the need to separate them, as her other personality was the killer. Yes, i would still count Judith as the killer.
1: Yeah, I liked the outfit to be honest. The mask was cool, with the paper mache base and the yearbook used as the face.
3C. I just hated all the sex scenes in the show. They were so bad, and rushed. It felt like straight out of a porno and the romantics weren't introduced well. :(
2: That's true.
3: Got it.
1. Just wondering, who would you say were the most attractive females in Slasher? I really think Jen, Cassidy, and Saadia were pretty.
2. Who would you say had the worst death in the Scream franchise? I think Seth. I mean, the guy was a predator, but that was cruel. Cutting off his hands and burning it, stabbing him on the floor, and burning in the house fire where no one can hear you scream? That's fucked up.
3. Favorite kill from all the Scream killers? Mine is:
a. Billy: Tatum (iconic)
b. Stu: Casey (also iconic)
c. Mickey: Phil / Officer Richards (I like the head stab through the stall, and I also like the car scene. Hard to choose between)
d. Debbie: Randy (R.I.P. Only one she killed)
e. Roman: Tom (I like the explosion. Convoluted but interesting.) Tyson (I like his kill where he uses the carpet to break his back and throws him out the window.)
f. Charlie: Olivia (of course)
g. Jill: Officer Perkins (I love Anthony Perkins and he sold his death scene. Also, Wes based it off of a real life injury)
h. Piper: Will (who else? haha)
i. Kieran: Jake (prob the best kill in the tv series! most goriest and bloodiest and I like the Carrie homage) Eddie (that death was cool!)
j. Jay: I like all his kills, but if I had to, I'd say Tommy (that kill was some gang type shit, and I loved it! Also, I never seen a kill like that, even though Solstice had a similar kill, but this was filmed in 2017, so props!)
k. Beth: Amir (unrealistic, but it was very cool!)
1: What about Saadia and Cassidy? I thought they were pretty attractive.
2: What about from every killer? Like Billy, Stu, and the rest of the Scream gang.
3: How about Slasher? Mine is:
Tom: Bryan (I love that kill and it made me keep watching the show0
Cam: Tom (Sad and gory. The Executioner killed The Executioner)
Judith: Antoine (they killed off a series regular in a horrifying way, and the fact he used the auger 20 minutes before his death was cool!)
Wyatt: Noelle (I love the setup by the tree and I have never seen a kill like that before)
Connor: Frank (that kill was awesome, and the effects were good too!)
Jen: Kaili (they killed off a series regular in a horrifying way, and the fact that she was the biology teacher and got disected from her star student who finished the disection first was a nice touch)
1: Cassidy was a bitch, though. Even if she was attractive, her personality destroys any sort of attraction I would have had to her. Saadia was cute. I like the twist, that Saadia was the one who started the hate on Justine. Really tragic, as Saadia isn't technically responsible. Justine was the one who mocked someone's death online. Saadia thought it was fucked up, so she said something about it. It was the other people online who started the harassment.
2 and 3: Are we talking about each killer's most painful/worst way to go kill, or our favorite kill from each?
2: How come Steven Stone, and Rebecca? Also, how come not sure for Piper? She brutally murdered Will? And how come Kieran isn't Jake?
3: I did like both of Tom's kills. And how come Iain, and Charlie for the Slasher killers as well?
4: Most evil villain? Umm, if it is just villain, Iain Vaughn, but killers + villain, probably Jen, as you said. I think she is the most evil Slasher villain and killer. She basically started the Druid murder spree. She reminded me of Jill. How about you?
1. Have you played or seen the game Life is Strange?
2. Have you seen the saw series? Do you know who the accomplices are?
3. Do you think any of the Scream killers share any cooraltion with any of the Slasher ones? I think they do. What do you think?
- Tom Winston / Kieran Wilcox (both brutal killers, caught an put in jail, killed by their own person wearing the same costume they did)
- Cameron Henry / Billy Loomis (the boy next door, attractive, no homo haha, in love with main final girl)
- Judith Berry / Debbie Salt (both mothers, avenging the death of their son)
- Wyatt / Stu Macher (tall, dumb, and both were pissed over their girlfriend dumping them)
- Connor Rijkers / Charlie Walker (the muscle of the operation, both in love with a girl, when they dont kiss, they get mad, possible sexual frustration for both)
- Jennifer Rijkers / Jill Roberts (almost got away with it if they kept their mouth shut, both killed around 6 people, killed cops, attractive, and both were technically supposed to be final girls, had awesome final girl showdown)
2: Steven was a giant thug, and Roman beat him. Just showed much of a boss Roman was. Also, I like how he used a frying pan. Sarah, because I like when Roman steps out from the rack of costumes and smashing her face through the glass was cool.
2A: Rebecca because I liked the build up, and her getting thrown off and landing on the van was cool.
2B: I need to rewatch the series in order to decide for Piper. While I liked Will's death and thought it was brutal, I don't remember a lot of Piper's stabby deaths.
2C: Don't know. I need to rewatch the series. I just liked that he used a corkscrew to kill Eddie.
3: Iain's and Charlie's were the most satisfying. I honestly thought Charlie was gonna rape Saadia when he showed up. I was finally glad when that creep got a blade shoved down his throat.
4: Agreed. Iain Vaughn is a despicable human being.
1: Heard of it, never played it.
2: Nope, but I do know who the accomplices are.
3: You can find any connections if you look hard enough. Funny enough, when I first watched Slasher and I saw Cam, I'm like, is this gonna be a Billy Loomis situation? Debbie was already based off of Pamela Voorhees.
You should check out Scream Queens. Its setup of each season is similar to Slasher. It is an anthology series that centers on a group of college students being terrorized by a serial killer, wearing different costumes, in different locations. Here is a description of S1:
The first season takes place at the fictional Wallace University. One of the sororities, Kappa Kappa Tau, becomes plagued by a serial killer, who uses the university's Red Devil mascot as a disguise.
A. My bad, man. I'm sorry. I am just trying to help you out.
I can help you with the supplies for The Lakewood Slasher. Would you like some help? I made my own cosplay, and got credit from the stuntmans saying that it was basically the same thing they wore and that it was a screen accurate replica.
I do have The Other cosplay too! Here is the mask. It is not the same one I have but it'll do.
B. Any idea when you are gonna watch it?
D. Just wondering, when did you suspect each killer in Scream? When you respond, I can tell you my thoughts too.
A: No. I'd rather do it myself. I can pretty much find everything I need for the Lakewood Slasher online. Same, with The Other. Trick or Treat Studios made a mask for The Other.
B: Not sure. I kind of started the Hellraiser series. But, I don't have the 4th movie, so I'm kind of at a halt. Maybe today or tomorrow. Depends on if I can find a way to continue my watch of the Hellraiser series.
Billy and Stu - Already knew going in.
Mickey - It had to be either him or Derek. Because, the killer needed to be strong enough to stab through a stall and manhandle people.
Debbie - I figured it was Billy's mother.
Roman - He was barely even in the movie as himself, so I didn't guess him.
Jill - Didn't expect her.
Charlie - I figured it had to Robbie or Charlie, due to the killer's camera and tech skills.
Piper - As soon as they found the medical records.
Kieran - Didn't expect him.
Jamal - I felt he was too obvious, so I didn't really expect him.
Beth - After she killed Amir and he pulled off her mask. He made a similar face to Casey Becker when Stu killed her. But, I honestly thought it Jamal's accomplice was Liv or one of Marcus's parents.
A. Alright then. Good luck. Let me know if you have any trouble with the costume.
B. Sounds good. The comedy is corny as hell, but it delivers on the slasher vibe.
Billy: He was my #1 suspect. I was a bit confused by the time he got stabbed but when he was shown to be alive, I thought something was off as he was walking just fine, so I knew he was the killer.
Stu: He was very obvious from day 1, and the fact that he got dumped by Casey for Steve was the reason why I suspected him.
Mickey: Honestly, I forgot he was even a character.
Debbie: I didn't suspect her. Probably the biggest surprise I have ever seen in Scream.
Roman: I didn't guess him either as he was barely in the movie.
Charlie: He was MIA for the party scene so I got it right.
Jill: I suspected her from the fact Trevor dumped her for Jenny. I also saw that her phone went missing. Who the fuck looses a phone that easily? That is when I suspected her and I got it right. Also the fact she gave a snarl look to Sidney underneath the bed, and the fact she dissapeared from it too.
Piper: I suspected her from episode 4-5, died down when she got attacked, but by Episode 8, I knew she was the killer when I remembered her dad died and the police didn't do anything about it. If Piper had an accomplice it would be Seth, but I was wrong. I did know Piper was the killer.
Kieran: I suspected him a bit in S1, cause Kieran was my #3 place suspect on the list, but he was too obvious. I was dumbfounded when he was the killer in S2. I was fooled. I thought it was Eli or Emma's Dad.
Jay: I thought he was too obvious too, so I didn't suspected him at all.
Beth: I knew she was the killer from Episode 2, with the syringe. She's a druggie so she would have that stuff. Also, Episode 3, cause of the lighter to burn Manny. And Episode 4 I was certain cause of Amir's death. Episode 5 I was certain too cause again, the lighter to burn the cop.
B. Scream Queens. The comedy is Mean Girls esque but it gives a solid Slasher vibe.
D. It did for a while, but by Episode 4, she was off my list cause she was too obvious. Beth was the #1 candidate. I also suspected Hawkins, Manny's boyfriend / Deion's jock friend, and Sherry, his mom. I figured his mom was in on it because she knew more about Marcus than Jay. That is why Jay was off my list and I didn't suspect him.
B. Yeah it has good kills. Bloody, campy, and gory!
D. To be fair, Jay is 5'8". Beth at 5'6", wears heals prsumebly making her a little taller than Jay. The dad is 5'11'. The dad was also a suspect on my list.
E. The height issue is what I hated about Scream 4. Rory Culkin is 5'6', and Emma Roberts is 5'2". She had to wear heels making her 5'7". The stuntman is 6'1". Skeet and Timothy at 6'0", Scott at 6'1" and Matthew at 6'4" were much more believeable.
F. Who would you say is the most diabolical/sick in the head (not crazy) killers in Slasher and Scream? Scream wise? I'd say Kieran, considering he killed most of his family members, a dozen people, and a pig. Slasher wise? I'd say Cam or Connor. They both have evil lairs, and both are grim killers.
G. Who would you say is the craziest killers in Scream/Slasher? Scream wise, I'd say Beth. She is crazy. Slasher? Judith (in the medical sense). However, in the other crazy wise, I'd say Jenn. She went a bit overboard with the kills and sprees, even the stabbings as well.
D: I can't see a Ghostface wearing heels. I imagine that they would be extremely hard to run in.
E: Yeah, they should've gotten stuntmen that matched or were at least close to the heights of the actual characters.
F: Kieran, definitely. For Slasher, probably Jen or Cam. Jen dissected someone while they were conscious and Cam left his wife paralyzed, but conscious enough to feel the pain of being eaten by wild animals.
G: Stu or Kieran. Stu, because of the way he acts when he's revealed. Kieran, because he thought that killing was better than therapy, and also acted very crazy when revealed. For Slasher, I don't think you can get any crazier than imagining yourself having sex with a hallucination of your dead son. So, yeah Judith.
D. Me neither. I just hate how the height never corresponds with the actor.
E. I agree. However, Kieran's stunt double, Alec Rayme did the best job. Kieran's strength seems to match the killer. Also, Alec and Amadeus Serafini are both 184 cm (6'0.5"). He had the height and strength so he matched it perfectly.
F. True, good points. Jen and Cam are the most wild killers, and yeah because of their actions too. Kieran did so much and he avoided the law for 2 seasons.
G. In Slasher, I agree. Just wondering, not in the medical sense, like Judith had Dissociative Identity Disorder, would Jen be the second craziest killer?
D: Well, they can't always have access to stuntmen with the same heights as another actor. Sometimes, they need to innovate, by having them wear lifts. It would also help if the actors did their own stunts.
G: I guess. But, Cam isn't far behind.
H: Like as in Neutral Evil, Lawful Evil, Chaotic Good? Stuff like that?
2: It's definitely unique. I like that the mask is like a helmet.
3: Grace, Chad, and Gigi. I would say I like Munsch a little, but her hypocritical behavior makes it hard sometimes. I liked her when she opposed the way Kappa was run, but when it's revealed that she covered up deaths and blackmails men into sleeping with her, it made it much more difficult to like her.
4: Episode 3.
5: Well, obviously Boone is one of them. Right now, my main suspects are Chanel and Grace's Father. I've crossed Chad and Zayday off my list, because Chad was attacked by the two Red Devils, and Zayday has the scene where she's practicing defending herself with a chainsaw. Since there's no one present during this, this leads me to thinking "If Zayday was one of the Red Devils, why would she need to defend herself against her partner, and since there's no one present during the scene, there's no one to put on a show for, other than the audience."
6: Yeah. My favorite so far, is probably Coney's death.
2: Any thoughts on the costume? Like the armor, gloves, mask, and the leather pants and black combat boots?
3: I do like Grace and Gigi. I also like Pete and Wes (Grace's Father). Those to me are the only "normal/real" characters.
5A: Yeah, Boone is one of the killers. Were you fooled he was one of the killers? NGL, I was to be honest. I thought he'd be the Drew Barrymore of Scream Queens, where they kill off a series regular (Cotton or Randy) or a famous person playing a role (Maureen Evans and Casey Becker). I didn't even know he was the killer until he opened his eyes. I also liked the killer reveal, with him taking off the makeup. That was badass.
5B: Who do you think Boone has been killing?
6: Same, mine too. Probably my favorite kill in the season! Its bloody and campy too, mascot vs mascot.
2: The mask and gloves are cool. But, I can't get over the armor, because it makes him look shirtless.
3: Yeah, Chanel and Dean Munsch are just horrible people. Chad's horrible, too. But, he's funny horrible, because he's mostly horrible to Chanel. Chanel is just irritatingly horrible. Like I'm just waiting for someone to beat the living shit out of her. Emma Roberts certainly does an amazing job making you hate her characters. Jill Roberts and now Chanel Oberlain. I am hoping that Chanel's not the Red Devil, as it would be very difficult for me to like the Red Devil if she was. Unless, her whole bitch thing is just an act.
5B: Not sure. I know, he's responsible for both attacks on Gigi, because I just got to the part where they revealed her talking to the Red Devil. Also, I figured that she was in on it, when they revealed her as The Hag and she knew where to shoot The Devil while in the dark.
6: I like the plastic of the costume getting in the way of chainsaw, at first. It was hilarious. And the chainsaw fight with Chad and his goons was awesome.
5B: Not sure. I know she's the brains of the operation. But, there's two others, because when she was talking to one of them on the phone, she spoke as if she was referring to two people. So, Boone is one of them, but there's another. It's also possible that there's more.
7: So, that fight with the Dean was real? Even the person in the judge costume? I thought that was a dream, due to how well both Devils and the Dean fought. Then again, the Red Devil has shown impressive skills with weapons. But, it just seemed so out of place, especially with the judge dude/girl.
8: One thing I'm noticing is that everyone in this show's a psychopath.
2. Here are some pics. These are from November 2018. I made a better Red Devil Cosplay now last week. I can show you some tomorrow. https://imgur.com/a/UYkg3W4
5B and 7: That's a good theory. Yes, the fight with Dean Munch was real. Anyone come to mind who you think the person in the Judge Antonin Scalia costume is? Also, who do you think the other red Devil is? Boone is definetly one of them.
8: How so? Even Grace, her father, Pete, and Zayday?
9: What episode are you on NOW?
10. I did a Q&A with Ilram Choi. The Stunt Double of the Red Devil. Would you like to read it?
2: That's pretty good. The gloves look a bit off to me. Though, that might just be the light.
5B: Well, now I know. Gigi was the one in the Judge Scalia costume. Well, considering that Boone was one of the babies and the other was a girl. It's got to be one of the girls. Boone and Gigi are dead now, so the last Red Devil has to be the girl baby.
8: Chad, Chanel, Hester, and Munsch are pretty obvious. Grace's father showed The Texas Chainsaw Massacre to his students on his first day teaching. There's definitely something wrong there. Zayday has a dark side which she showed to Jennifer, and she also has a chainsaw under her bed.
5B: Honestly, she was too obvious for me to consider as a suspect. I thought it was Chanel #5 or Chanel #3.
12: The axe kill was cool, because of the skill displayed with the axes.
13: Not gonna lie, I kind of felt bad for Chanel #3 and Chanel #5. But, at least they're better off in the asylum. Unfortunately, it seems Chanel learned nothing and is still the same horrible person she was on the inside. The court scene was funny as hell, though. Chanel insulting all those people who were about to declare her not guilty, and Chanel #3 falling asleep.
14: Dean Munsch was a badass. She's still a horrible person, but it did appear she had somewhat of a conscience.
A. What did you think of Boone, Pete and Hester as the killers? Surprised, or any thoughts about who they killed? Any thoughts on their killer reveals?
Boone killed 11 people. He killed Chanel #2, Deaf Taylor Swift, Shondell, Coney, Mandy, Dodger, Sam, Caulfield, Jennifer, Earl, and the truck driver.
Pete killed 3 people. He killed Boone, the mall cop, and Roger.
Hester killed 4 people. She killed Ms. Bean (assisted by Chanel), Pete, Zak, and Gigi.
5B. I knew it was Hester. She was too obvious, but I thought they were gonna Billy Loomis me. I knew she was in on it, the episode when Boone was killed. She had brown hair, and she looked very similar to Boone.
12: Is Coney still your favorite kill?
14: Yes sir! Jamie Lee Curtis is THE SCREAM QUEEN. She (Dean) is horrible, but she's a good fighter.
15: Favorite character? Mine is Grace and Pete. They were the most normal of the bunch, and I liked how they were trying
16: How would you rank the killers of Scream Queens? I know there are 3, but there is more in the 2nd season! Here is my list of the three.
a. Hester Ulrich (most intelligent, got away with it, however my con is that she didn't kill anyone until the final 2 episodes.)
b. Pete Martinez (best motive out of any of the killers, decent kills, cool character, Pretty Little Liars esque reveal, but he falls flat with the fact that he was kinda a pawn)
c. Boone Clemens (he was dumb as a bag of hammers, but I do give him credit for killing 11 people, being the most brutal of the bunch, and for having the best killer reveal)
A: Wasn't that surprised with Pete. The dude owned the costume, knew where to find Mandy, and had a huge vendetta against Kappa and the Fraternity.
5B: Clearly you're a better detective than me. But was Hester one of the Red Devils that attacked Chad and his thugs, or was that Pete? It would make more sense if it was Pete, because he's likely stronger than Hester, and those Devils were swinging around chainsaws like batons.
15: Honestly, you're gonna think I'm crazy. But Chad or Dean Munsch.
16: If we're basing it on what they did while dressed as The Red Devil.
A. Me neither. I don't remember when I got it right, but I think around the middle of the show, I suspected him.
5B: Ah, thank you for the compliment. You have better insight though. :) I think it was Hester thoigh. Grace visits Pete in his dorm and apologizes for ignoring his messages and they both go to Mandy's house, which is 6 hours away, to find answers. It has to be Hester and Boone, as Pete left with Grace.
15: How come?
16: What about your personal list, just off of the fact of everything, like how you ranked Slasher and Scream?
17: What do you feel about my list? Here is my list with each factor:
Kills (Uniqueness, Diversity, Count): Boone > Hester > Pete
Intelligence: Hester > Pete > Boone
Plan: Hester > Pete > Boone
Motive: Pete > Hester/Boone
Treachary: Hester > Pete > Boone
Character: Pete > Hester > Boone
Surprise: Boone > Pete > Hester
OVERALL: Hester > Pete > Boone
18: When will you see S2 of SQ? Honestly, I like the new killer costume better than the RD. The new killer is more Slasher (show) esque. The new killer is one of the most coolest / scariest cosutmes I have ever seen.
19: I also found another Scream Parallel:
Boone is like Charlie from Scream. Both are merely the muscle, brutal killers, fall in love with one of the main characters, dumb as a doornail, both fooled by their accomplice.
Pete is like Billy from Scream. Both are influenced by their girlfriend's brother into killing, basically told to by their protege, boyfriend of the final girl.
Hester is like Piper from Scream. Both are the sibiling of the final girl, actually got to encounter their sibilings, etc, merely the planner of the operation, intelligent.
5B: Ahh, I see. Boone must've been the one that chainsawed Caufield's arms off, then.
15: Chad's a sociopathic asshat, but he made me laugh the most. Dean Munsch is also a sociopath, but she's a badass sociopath who can kick the shit out of killers, and she's played by Jamie Lee Curtis. It just makes it more interesting, when sociopaths are able to show a little decency. Besides, Chad was only really an asshole to Chanel, who is already a monster.
17: I agree with most of that list. But, disagree on Surprise.
Hester > Boone > Pete
18: I'm watching it now. Yeah, I agree that the Green Meanie looks cooler than the Red Devil. But, his costume still gives me Red Devil vibes. Also, he/she seems to be way more skilled than the Red Devils. The way he's able to accurately throw his machete and sickle.
19: I still don't know how Hester got caught. I wish they explained that more.
17: I understand why that is your surprise. I know you said you were fooled by Hester and Boone, but not Pete.
17B: How would you rank the killers personallly? My list for reference is Hester > Pete > Boone.
18: What episode are you on?
18B: Any thoughts on the Green Meanie costume while watching it initially? Like when you first saw it?
18C: Who are your suspects?
19: She confessed to Denise that she was the brains of the operation but she was dumb to confess as she thought it was double jeapordy but it was single jeapordy, so she got caught and sent to a mental institution.
18B: It's cool and I like it much more than the Red Devil costume. But, it just reminds me too much of the Red Devil costume, so it loses points in uniqueness.
18C: I don't know his name, but that guy who claims that he's dead.
19: Wow, you think that she'd be smarter than that. Maybe, that was planned. I mean, she does know who the Green Meanie is, and she still is a psychopath who has it out for the Chanels. Maybe, she and the Green Meanie know one another.
20: Also goddamn is Denise stupid. She could've shot the Green Meanie right then and there. Instead, now she got herself killed.
18: Well, I have a lot of time to binge watch stuff.
18B: Yeah, even the characters themselves pointed out how similar they are.
18C: Yep. Dude's suspicious, and Hester said the killer was obvious. Though, that could also point towards Brock and the Nurse Lady who was asking about the Chanels schedules.
20: I've never watched Suspiria, so no. I wasn't surprised that Chad died. He was going to eventually. I mean, he practically came back to get killed off. Is it weird to say that I'm a little bummed about him dying, but I'm glad his family died?
21: It was a sickle actually. Probably the Orgasm Lady. That throw was just so clean. Also, the build up to Werewolf Lady's death was interesting, and the douchey doctor's death was pretty cool. This killer is strong as shit. He pulled a Michael Myers and lifted a man with a machete. Similar to what Michael did in Halloween II, to the nurse.
18: Okay, what episode are you at? Did you finish the whole thing?
19: Were you shocked that Cassidy, Ingrid, and Wes were the killers? Any thoughts on their reveals, or their motivations?
20: His family died? I didn't even know that! When did he say that?
21: I do think Wearwolf lady's death was cool, with it being more horror than comedy. And yeah, the killer is strong!
22: You are right. They do have things in common with the Red Devil. The Green Meanies are basically expy's of the Red Devils.
Cassidy and Boone are the brutes of the operation. They also both are in love with a main girl.
Ingrid and Hester are the brains of the operation. They don't start killing until near the end. Hester was always involved but didn't physically begin killing until the final episodes, while Ingrid didn't become a killer until the final episodes. Despite their kill count, both are the final killer. Hester kills Pete and Gigi after Boone's death, while Ingrid and Cassidy kill Wes and Cassidy starts to want out, leaving her as the Big Bad.
Wes and Pete are both unrelated to the main killers' motives or operations and end up being betrayed by them.
Jane and Gigi are the original masterminds and the matriarchs. They initiated the scheme and raised a child to carry it out for the revenge of a loved one. Both also, despite being involved, never put on the costume.
22: How come you don't feel sorry for the 3 killers?
18: Yep, I finished it. Unless, there's a Season 3.
19: Cassidy and Ingrid, not in the slightest. Wes, was a bit of a surprise, but I figured that the only reason they brought him back was to make him a killer. So, kind of obvious once he was brought into the hospital.
20: I believe they said that on the way to Chad's funeral, their plane crashed.
21: Jane's brother was the one who lifted the guy, though. So, that would mean, he's the strongest.
22: Basically. Not gonna lie, that's kind of disappointing.
23: Let's see, they're all psychopaths who killed innocent people, instead of going after their actual intended targets. Oh, and the Green Meanies talked about it like it was a game to them, even Wes. I can understand going after the Chanels or horrible people and talking about it like it's a game. But, they killed innocent people who just came to the hospital to be cured. And Cassidy burnt Tyler's eyes before butchering him with a laser. Also, Cassidy and Ingrid stuck a bunch of needles in a girl and drained her of all her blood. Not even Chanel deserved that type of death.
And Wes's whole "She shot at me" excuse for trying to kill Denise was bullshit. Of course, she shot at you, dummy. You were dressed like a monster with twin machetes in your hands and you literally just tried to kill her.
As for Hester, well you've seen the ending of Season 2. She buys an island with Munsch's stolen money, seduces and convinces a doctor into becoming a manhunter with her, and lures tourists out to the island to be hunted and slaughtered.
19: I agree with you. I knew it was Cassidy and Inrgid, but Wes, it was a surprise to me.
21: True, true.
22: I agree.
23: Good points. I agree with all of that. However, would you say that Cassidy was brainwashed by his mother into killing?
24: How would you rank all the killers of Scream Queens and why? Here is my list with my factors implimented:
Kills (Uniqueness, Diversity, Count): Cassidy > Boone > Hester > Wes > Pete > Ingrid
Intelligence: Hester > Pete > Ingrid > Cassidy > Wes > Boone
Plan: Hester > Cassidy > Pete > Ingrid > Wes > Boone
Motive (being specific): Pete > Cassidy > Wes > Hester > Boone > Ingrid
Treachery: Ingrid > Cassidy > Hester > Pete > Boone > Wes
Character: Pete > Boone > Wes > Cassidy > Hester > Ingrid
Surprise: Boone > Wes > Pete > Hester > Cassidy > Ingrid
24B. What is your list? OVERALL, my list is:
1. Cassidy Cascade (cool character, very inventive and brutal kills, highest kill count of 14 people, nice killer reveal, but he falls flat because of his surprise factor, and his intelligence. He's like the Mickey of Scream Queens)
2. Hester Ulrich (most intelligent, got away with it for 2 murder sprees, operation of the 2nd Green Meanie spree, she did very little as the killer though which saddens me as she was supposed to be the big bad. He's like the Piper of Scream Queens)
3. Pete Martinez (best motive out of any of the killers, decent kills, cool character, Pretty Little Liars esque reveal, but he falls flat with the fact that he was kinda a pawn. He's like the Billy of Scream Queens)
4. Boone Clemens (he was dumb as a bag of hammers, but I do give him credit for killing 11 people, being the most brutal of the bunch, and for having the best killer reveal. He's basically Charlie except stronger and a little smarter)
5. Wes Gardener (weird motive to be totally honest, nice kills, cool reveal, but the problem is the fact that he was betrayed by his two accomplices, and that he felt rushed to me. He's also dumb, and cocky. He reminded me of Stu)
6. Ingrid Hoffell (She came later into the Green Meanie gang. She gets points for being the most evil of the bunch and the most treacharous, but she falls flat because she was dumb in the finale, cocky, cringy of a character, her motive for killing the other people was dumb, and the fact that she didn't even shoot Chanel with the gun. Also her character felt off to me. She was just sooo boring.)
25: I made an allignment chart of Scream Queens. Thoughts? Here it is:
23: Technically, yes. But, I don't think that Jane made him stick a bunch of hypodermic needles into a girl with a phobia of needles.
24: My list is probably the same as yours.
25: Yeah, Wes's motive was weird. As bad as the Chanels were, I think the Red Devils were more responsible for his daughter's trauma. In which case, why would he work with the main Red Devil herself? It doesn't make sense. He's just a lunatic. He did kill Chamberlain in cold blood, after all.
26: Same with Ingrid. Once again, Chanel's a horrible person, but Hester's the one who killed Bean. Probably as revenge for helping cover up her mother's death.
27: The motives were pretty weak this time around. With all of them being pretty self-centered. Even Cassidy should've realized that the staff who killed his father didn't work at the hospital anymore. It's like Zayday said to Jane, the people who killed Bill, already got killed by her brother. At this point, murdering a bunch of innocents to close down the place, is just attacking architecture and letting more people die in vain.
Even Brenda Bates had a better motive than these five clowns.
28: I reiterate, Chanel #5/Libby Putney would've made a far more interesting Green Meanie. I don't know how they would've done it or tied it into the Red Devil killings, but it would've been a more shocking, not to mention, entertaining reveal than the obvious killers we were given.
29: So, if there's ever a Season 3, do you think they're going to do something unique or just rehash another recolored slightly altered Red Devil?
30: Don't get me wrong, as much as I'm trashing the Green Meanie, I do love the costume. Way more than the Red Devil look, but the fact is the Red Devil came first, and clearly the costumes are too similar in appearance. I like the mask and the slimy boots, but they're essentially the same thing. Horned creature masks made of plastic, skin tight suits with chest armor that make them look shirtless, capes, clawed gloves, pants, and combat boots. They also acted pretty similar and we're skilled at fighting like the Red Devil. It probably doesn't help that they're portrayed by the same stuntman.
24B. What about with each factor? What do you think? Anything you'd change?
Kills (Uniqueness, Diversity, Count): Cassidy > Boone > Hester > Wes > Pete > Ingrid
Intelligence: Hester > Pete > Ingrid > Cassidy > Wes > Boone
Plan: Hester > Cassidy > Pete > Ingrid > Wes > Boone
Motive (being specific): Pete > Cassidy > Wes > Hester > Boone > Ingrid
Treachery: Ingrid > Cassidy > Hester > Pete > Boone > Wes
Character: Pete > Boone > Wes > Cassidy > Hester > Ingrid
Surprise: Boone > Wes > Pete > Hester > Cassidy > Ingrid
25 and 26: The Red Devils were so much better than the Green Meanies in terms of motive. He's just a crazy fuck that snapped after S1. I hated who be became in S2 to be totally honest. And Ingrid was weird for killing 6 random people.
27: I agree with you 100%. The only reason why I consider Cassidy lawful is because he had a better motive than those 2 douchebags.
28: I did see that. It definetly would have been more shocking. How would you feel of Chad being one of the killers?
29: I sure hope not. I hope it can be something like Blue Bird, Black Ghoul, Orange Witch, something like that.
30: 100% agree. I love the look of the GM way more than the RD, with the slimy boots and mask. And yeah, it felt too similar and the GM is basically a Green Rehashed Red Devil costume. Also, yeah. They're potrayed by the same actor Riley Schmidt. He played Zak the pizza guy in the finale.
31: I did a Q&A with Ilram Choi. The Stunt Double of the Red Devil. Would you like to read it?
32: I made an allignment chart of Scream Queens. Thoughts? Here it is:
Intelligence, Plan, and Treachery are the same as yours.
Motive: Pete > Cassidy > Hester/Boone > Ingrid > Wes
Character: Pete > Cassidy > Hester > Boone > Ingrid > Wes
Surprise: Hester > Boone > Wes > Pete > Ingrid/Cassidy
25: Yeah, because they were actually starting to make the characters think twice about them. And also, because they killed few innocents and spared both Zayday and Grace.
26: Ingrid did kill Chanels, but she killed new Chanels that probably didn't even understand the concept of being a Chanel. Same with Wes killing that poor tall girl. If you ask me, all the Green Meanies got what they deserved, including Cassidy.
27: Well, Cassidy also had a change of heart and risked his life twice to save Chanel #3/Sadie. As much as I don't like him for brutally murdering innocent patients, ones that trusted him, he tried to redeem himself. That's more than you can say for Wes or Ingrid.
28: I thought him for the Green Meanie once, but I figured it would've been too obvious. Chad was a total serial killer in the making. The dude got turned on by dead bodies and possibly goats.
29: Let's just hope it's not an armored horn-headed creep in a cape and combat boots.
30: I wonder if him wearing the Red Devil costume was supposed to be a sublte nod about him being the stuntman for the Red Devil.
31: Sure. I thought you said that Riley Schmidt was the stuntman for the Red Devil?
32: The alignment chart looks good. But, are we sure that Hester and Brock are Chaotic Neutral and True Neutral? I mean, they did purchase an island to torment, hunt, and kill tourists. That seems pretty evil to me.
33: So, who were your suspects for the Red Devil and Green Meanie when you first watched Scream Queens?
I'll get to the questions in a bit. I have something interesting to talk about.
So, I am doing this thing called the Ultimate Killer List, with a friend of mine. I wanted to know if you can help us out. This includes all 11 killers from Scream, all 6 killers from Slasher and all 6 from Scream Queens. We use the same fsctors like kills, intelligence, character, surprise, etc. I want to see who the ultimate killer of the 3 shows are! Could you help me out? It is on a Google Drive document. I can share it with you to see if your interested. It would be lovely and an honor. :) You have great insight on everything too.
Could you go on there again? I want your opinion on the kills, intelligence, treachary, motive and plan ranking for all of them, and anything youd change in the uniquness, count, role, and acting part.
No problem. I have been tired myself. I slept for 12 hours today.
Sorry for the tardiness. Been busy these last few days.
31. Yes, Riley played the Red Devil, but was an actor. I can go into detail of that tomorrow. I did a Q&A with Ilram Choi, the stuntman for the Red Devil. He was the Red Devil in the scenes where the three killers fight against Kathy Munch. Ilram is the RD where Jamie kicked him into the bookshelf, and where he did the flip. He also attacked Denise in the bathroom. Would you like to see my Q&A? Also, here are clips of his stuff on SQ: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDVnuTLbgashttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTPg7G-z68A
31B. I also did a Q&A with Olga Whilimene. She was the Lady Red Devil. She's the RD who killed Pete, had the fight with Grace before Pete died, killed Boone, had the Thanksgiving dinner with Gigi and knocked out Zak the Pizza Guy. Would you like to see that too?
32. Yes, that is evil for Brock and Hester to do that, but the main villains of the show were the Green Meanies. People also liked and hated Brock, as did people for Hester.
33. Dude, honestly, this is the show I watched the least. I watch and rewatch Scream/Slasher alot, so SQ wasn't my favorite personally. I only came for the Slasher parts, not the comedy, which I hated to be honest. I hate Mean Girls, and this was an exact copycat except with a slasher whodunnit implimented in it.
32: Whether or not they were the main villains or were liked are irrelevant when it comes to moral alignment. It's their actions that tell us their alignment. I would say Hester's the chaotic evil of season 2, because she manipulated them into letting her out, tried to kill Chanel, became the advisor of the Green Meanie team, and planned with Brock to do what General Zaroff did. Where as the Green Meanies were mainly focused on their main goals.
33: Wow, with the way you talk about Scream Queens, I thought you would've liked it more.
A. How did you come across doing stunts? We’re you influenced by anyone? All the information is actually on my website, ilram.com the “BIO” so if you want detailed stuff, because I’ve been asked that so many times so I decided to just write it out and kind of what influenced me growing up in Kentucky learning martial arts through church and influenced by Street Fighter, Jackie Chan and eventually made my way out into Los Angeles while doing my own projects. So, I always had a fascination with it as a kid but I didn’t know what it was. But yeah, I would say Street Fighter 2 was my biggest influence was getting into martial arts and training which in turn got me curious with Jackie Chan in doing stunts. I looked up to him and idolized him with his skills and just being a leading man, because there weren’t too many Asian leading men, you know, with me being Asian. So, us Asian people were whoever. People in their own culture, you know, they look up to the people that are like that. But yeah, Bruce Lee was there too, but Jackie Chan was more fun because I liked doing tricks and Jackie Chan was all about that.
B. What stunts do you mainly specialize in? I guess just fighting. Fighting and body movement. I was always a clown as a kid. I would fall down the steps and do things that, people would be like “Oh my god! Did you hurt yourself?” And I was like “No.” I was just able to control my body and manipulate the situation where it look like it hurt. So, clowning is the best description I guess.
C. How was it like wearing the Red Devil costume and mask? I'm trying to remember. It was a while ago. So, obviously it wasn’t as flexible in movement as the Spider-Man costume. (He played Spider-Man in The Amazing Spiderman 1 and 2) It was a little restricting, I remember. But I wasn’t doing a lot of crazy stuff. Except...where Jamie threw me against the wall, but I just propelled myself. But I do remember it was hard to see out of that mask.
D. Did you have a favorite cast member working with? Jamie Lee Curtis. She's great. High energy. She talking and la la la. She was very talkative. Very interactive with everyone. Very skillful. She did all the movements and kicks and stuff. So, we had a stunt double for her but she did everything.
E. Favorite kill? I just watched my episodes. I didn't really watch any of the other ones.
G. Most risky stunt? Again, I couldn't see anything. The risk was, as I was flipping, I wanted to hit high enough on the lower wall. Where I could bounce off and safely drop to the ground without landing on my neck. That was my greatest fear but unfortunately that happened because I didn’t go far enough, and I ended up hitting too low to the wall which I completely fell on my neck. Like my chin touched my chest. And I heard a pop and I thought I broke my neck. But luckily I thought I was fine. I couldn't do that (chin touching the chest) on my own even if I forced it. So, my neck did flex further than it should have. But luckily I was fine. Jamie even said that. She’s like ”I though you broke your neck!” I was like ”I thought I did too, haha.”
H. Did the stunt coordinator make sure you were okay? Yeah, but it's really up to me. The stunt is designed and he's trusting me and my capabilities and yeah, in that case, it was just all on me. He's like ”Well, how far can you get, when you can hit the wall, what are you gonna do?” And I told him I planned but didn't go quite as well as I thought it was gonna go but that's not his fault. That was my fault. But luckily, I was all good. The whole thing was stunts. Assessing risks.
I. How was it like working with Riley Schmidt, the other stunt double of The Red Devil? I don't think he was a stunt double. He was a character that was playing the Red Devil. I didn't see a lot of stunt work that he did. I worked with him where, the episode where there is multiple Red Devil’s, attacking Jamie Lee Curtis. He played one of them, and I wouldn't consider him a stunt guy. Obviously he's capable of doing some simple things. But I wouldn't consider him a stunt guy. But I guess an actor. I guess doing some of his own stuff. I would just say they did their own stunts. But as far as anything complicated, I didn't see him do any of that. I guess he maybe spun around and do a couple of swipes at Jamie Lee Curtis. I didn't find him very skillful. However, he was very cool from what I remember.
31B: am actually not finished writing her Q&A word for word yet. I can show you later.
31C. What did you think of the BTS Videos?
Question: Do you still need help with Slasher villains pages? I'd love to help. :) I can extend information about the charatcers!
C: It's funny how masks in real life would actually be very inconvenient for a serial killer. So many killers wear them and are still able to function normally, but the reality is, that masks are very impractical, because they block a lot of your vision. It'd be very easy for someone to sneak attack you while wearing one. That being said, it makes a killer unique when they have a costume and mask.
D: It's nice to hear that Jamie's not a nightmare to work with. It's always nice to hear when an actor/actress that you like is a cool person.
I: So, wait, there were three Red Devil stunt doubles, right? Olga, Ilram, and Riley? Who played the Judge, though? Also, does that mean that Ilram was the main Red Devil, the one who showed up the most, Boone?
31C: That was interesting. I never expected Jamie to be such a sailor mouth. But, fuck if that doesn't make me love her more. Also, yeah that landing look like it hurt. Good to hear that it didn't, though.
Answer: Yes. I made Wyatt's, Benny's, and The Motega Five. Take a look, and tell me if there's anything I missed or got wrong. Benny and the Motega Five page aren't complete, yet. I wrote up what I could remember without having to rewatch the show.
I: There were 4 actually. So let me lay it out for you.
a. Riley Schmidt (the main guy) (he did most of the stuff) (he was offered the role as the RD and GM and wore the costume throughout the season)
b. Olga Whilimene (the lady red devil) (she came in when Boone died, and then did the rest of the stuff. She was also in the flashcback where Pete gets cornered in his room by the two killers. Olga is holding the knife and Riley is holding the axe)
c. Ilram Choi (stunt red devil) (he did the 3 killer scene and the scene with Denise in the bathroom)
d. Paul Andrew O' Connor (he did the scene with the chainsaw in the street with DDS)
I can help you out with them today. I'm gonna get started on some work right now, but yeah,, I can extend their information. I am gonna start with Cam cause I just started rewatching Season 1.
Riley was just an actor that was playing the killer. I'll tell you it more accurately tomorrow as I'll be speaking with him today.
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Also, here is my Q&A with Olga Whilimene. Tell me any thoughts you have.
A. How was it like wearing the mask and costume? It was like layers. So, the chestplate and whatnot, that wasn’t even the though part. It was like getting the mask on and then the gloves with the nails. There’s the claws and it was just... I had an assistant, I had 2 costume assistants to help me get dressed, undress and to the set, and actually you couldn’t really see that well in the mask. Breathing was definitely a challenge. Of course the Red Devil looks really awesome on camera. But maneuver wise it was pretty tough. Maneuvering around in it. Everybody understand that it was a complex costume with a lot of layers. When I’m inside the costume, I can’t really even talk inside of it. So it’s more like, waving. I couldn’t really breathe. You had to stick, like it was part of a cut off plastic water bottle that they would stick in my mouth and sort of hold the mouth part open so I could breathe. You couldn’t breathe through the nose part very well and you really couldn’t see, at all. Like, zero peripheral vision. It was just straight tunnel vision. More or less. So, part of how I got that (role) the stunt coordinator asked me, he said, “ Are you gonna be okay when a mask, and when they tell you, this is a really intense mask, and it’s gonna be like totally stuck on your face.” They even stuck some makeup sponges on me inside of the mask just to give me a little bit of room, on my face, but I was like, “Yeah, no it’s fine. You haven’t seen my sky diving helmet!” which actually wasn’t as bad compared to the Red Devil mask but being used to being in a skydiving helmet, which was very close on your face, I was like, “Yeah, no I can handle that. No problem.” So it was fine. But that was why it was sort of a little tricky fighting certain people because of the mask.
B. Do you have a favorite kill? I thought all of the kills were pretty clever. Just so you know, when they do like, action stuff, it’s usually cut in small sections at a time, so it’s not one continuous shot. I don’t know if you know that, but for most films and most shows it usually like with a clip. So you do this one action shot and then they’ll say, “Okay, cut!” And now we’re gonna get the next piece of it from another angle or what not, then you do that take of it and then they edit it all together. So, I just think that the whole process of all of that is really fascinating and interesting to me.
C. I actually didn’t know that. I thought it was just one continuous shot but they use different camera angles and implement that into the movie or show. Sometimes it is, but usually not. Like, I just did a show last month that’s gonna be on Netflix and there was probably about 15 stunt people and we had just like one big fight scene where we’re fighting vampires and they had, the camera, you know filming specific action pieces so one guy got hit by a car and another one had to flip over something, so the camera’s kinds moving like that but then they had an overhead shot where they want all of us at the same time to just do the overhead shot. Now of course it has to be edited, making the scene and whatnot but that wasnt one continuous shot. But, when they come down to the editing it will usually be, especially when it's up close and you see someone fighting whether it's martial arts or killing someone with a candlestick, it's usually done in pieces and not just one continuous shot.
D. What do you mainly specialize in, stunt wise? Well, there are a lot of different levels of stunts. So anything that is any sort of action is deemed technically a stunt. For example, if you are running down the street, that a stunt. If you fall out of a chair, technically that's a stunt. If you flip a car over, obviously that's a stunt. Now that's not something that I do, but I do like any sort of movement stuff, fighting, struggling, getting shot at, falling. My background in particularly, is that I'm a skydiver. That's actually how I got into stunts was through skydiving. I met some other stunt people, and they're like ”Gosh, if you can jump out of an airplane at 14,000 feet, you can definitely do a lot of this other stuff.” I'm a certain height. I'm 5’8” and I have certain looks, certain height, certain look about me and there's not a whole lot of people, especially down in the south east that have that look and height and that's basically how I got into stunts.
E. Did you have a favorite scene shooting in Scream Queens? I had that great scene Nasim Pedrad (Gigi) where there was this Macy’s day parade and it's this first big scene with the Lady Red Devil, you don't know it's a girl yet, she and I are making like paper dolls. She orders the quail and she doesn't realize that I end up killing her. I turn on her with the little electric knife. That was a lot of fun and everyone was laughing during that too. I mean, it was all her really talking but I was trying to interact and I was trying to actually make paper hearts during it. You know, you finally see all the edited stuff. But we actually did like a whole bunch of takes and a whole bunch of versions and the director is just laughing. He just thought it was so funny. Like, ”Oh my God, who knew you can do all this acting behind the mask!” and I was like, ”Yes!” And it was fun. I just thought her whole sequence and her whole speech was really funny and it was sort of that big reveal like, ”Wow, what is she doing with The Red Devil and how are they connected and they're celebrating a holiday together.” So it's like that reveal like, ”what's going on?” So, that was probably my favorite scene. For sure.
F. Did you have a favorite actor/actress working with? Jamie Lee Curtis obviously is really awesome. She's a lovely person. She's really really cool. Obviously her. I would say that for sure. I think it was the one by the swimming pool... And I would just see her on set as well, just being around on set and what not cause she's just always a lovely person. She gave me a really cool little wrap gift too, like a cool little tall coffee mug that was made out of porcelain and then she wrote a note on the inside saying, ”We had a bloody good time!” It was just kind of a really cool special wrap gift.
G. Do you know who the identifies of the killers are? There were several of them. There were a couple of stunt guys, and it was Riley Schmidt, who was the actual actor. So I had scenes with him as well. So basically it would be him, unless there was the really big action sequence, and then it would be - there was a couple different stunt guys that did it. Riley was only actor that was the Red Devil, during filming. But the brunette.. Lea Michelle, Nick, and the boyfriend end up being revealed as the actual killers, but they weren’t actually the Red Devils during filming. It was just Riley. Riley was the only actor that was the Red Devil and there were the stunt doubles. And then me, I was the only female one. Lea Michelle was not ever in the costume.
H. I remember you said that Riley was an actor that was playing the killer. Would you axially consider him a stunt guy? Cause he's just listed as the role of playing The Red Devil. Well, let me put it to you this way. As an actor, like myself, a lot of times, you have to do some action items because the camera is on you. So, I would say, any sort of experience that you have in movement, any sort of sports background or whatnot, and they ask you, “Alright. In this sequence, the camera is gonna be right on you, blah blah blah... We can’t use a stunt double because it’s gonna be a face shot, blah blah blah... You have to do it yourself.” That is just part of being an actor. If you really can’t do it yourself, say you’re of a certain age or you know you can’t run because you have a knee replacement, something like that, then they’ll figure out a way to get the double to do it and whatnot. And especially if it’s something like getting hit by a car or whatnot. You’re not gonna ask an actor to do that. But there are plenty of stuff you can ask an actor to do. If it’s running, tripping, falling, struggling, fighting, there’s plenty that actors can do if they’re out for it and willing to do it. And then usually you work with a stunt coordinator on that, just to make sure that they don’t get hurt. So, he was definitely open to that, and yeah. That’s just part of being an actor is physical movements as well. He was offered it as an actor. There’s obviously times where he’s gonna have to do some action. And I think he considers himself more of an actor; that’s his main thing. But there are times where you have to do some action. And just be willing to do that.
Wow. Olga and Ilram seem like really cool people. Where do you talk to them?
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1. I talked to Ilram on Instagram. We then set up a time to call, so I called him the following day. I also talked to Olga on the phone, same for Riley.
2. I figured out who did what. Riley did some of the acting stuff as the RD and GM, nothing really complicated. That is where the stunt doubles come in. Here is what everyone did.
a. Riley Schmidt (the main guy) (he did most of the stuff) (he was offered the role as the RD and GM and wore the costume throughout the season)
b. Olga Whilimene (the lady red devil / stunts) (she came in when Boone died, and then did the rest of the stuff. She was also in the flashcback where Pete gets cornered in his room by the two killers. Olga is holding the knife and Riley is holding the axe)
c. Ilram Choi (stunt red devil) (he did the 3 killer scene and the scene with Denise in the bathroom)
d. Paul Andrew O' Connor (stunt red devil) (he stabbed Ariana Grande, knocked out Pete, cut Coney's head off, did the flip over the couch and fight with Gigi, did the scene with the chainsaw in the street with DDS and he cut the guys arms off, did the mall scene with Chanel and Denise/knocked down the christmas tree)
3A. Speaking of stunts, I found out what the slasher people did:
a. Geoff Scovell and Brook Jones were the Druid stunt doubles.
Geoff killed Frank, Kaili, Noelle, Cassidy, Joe and Violet. He also chased Jen in the school parking lot and knocked out Kaili.
Brook killed Kit, Xander, Amy, Pujit and Charlie. He also did the party scene in the opening where he walks by Connor and sees Charlie.
b. 3 people actually played the executioner. Steve Gagne, Vincent Rother, and Steve Byers too! Byers is the actor who played Cam.
Steve Byers wore the mask when he chased Sarah in the street, knocked out Malcom, knocked out Sharma, invaded Sarah's home in Episode 3 with the cool Halloween homage, killed Brenda (before the brick was thrown), did the interview scene, and killed Alison.
Steve Gagne killed Brenda after the brick was picked up, he did the snake kill and killed Bryan and Rachel in their house.
Vincent Rother did Robin's attack, cut up Verna McBride, captured June, and killed Ian and Tom.
Olga is also a Blues-musician, apparently. Was kind of surprised to find that out. I thought it was a different person, mainly because a lot of stuntmen/stuntwomen are kind of hard to find information on and rarely have pages on the wiki.
I think it would be fun to play a silent masked killer. Mostly, because you don't have to really be an actor/actress. You don't have to remember lines or talk to people. Just show up and do what's asked of you. But, being 5' 4" kind of hurts my chances. Though, I guess I could make a convincing Ghostface, if they did ever try the Middle School Ghostface route.
Yeah, she told me that she does music. She's also an actress and a stunt performer.
I agree. Well, I am 5'10' so I think I am right around the height mark for a average killer. Bill Scharpf is 5'10" so I match his height and weight too.
Mercedes Morris is actually 5'8", the same height as Geoff Scovell, and Leslie Hope is 5'7", the same height as Bernadette Couture. So, I think if you have a same height as the actor or actress or is near the height as the stunt double, you can be in good shape.
2. That's cool. You need to work on your rhyming, though. Also, I'm not too big on the Jurassic Park lore, but when did Blue kill Jack the Ripper?
3. A Haunting is a documentary-like TV show that retells stories of paranormal encounters. The show usually focuses on evil entities that torment the living. It's overdramatic and some of the effects are goofy, but it still manages to leave me unnerved. The wiki is incomplete as hell.
1. Just some parts for her biography. We should mention everyone of her major moments. I would've done it myself, but first i need to finish my second watch. Did she scared you? I can see your point if she did, because one of my pen-mates was scared of her too.
2. Yeah. I do need to work on my rhyming. Blue killed Ripper when both were on the roof of Lockwood Manor. Ripper chased Owen and Maisie to the roof and almost dropped them down. Then came Claire, who distracted the hybrid and tricked him into breaking the glass and almost falling to his death. He climbed back with a big effort and almost attacked Claire. Then, the lightning revealed Blue, and she jumped Ripper into the triceratops horn. When you look closely, you can see that Ripper was relieved. For the first and only time of his life, he felt peaceful. "The voices have stopped. I'm free now. The cruel people won't hurt me again".
I wonder when will the showrunner confirm her last name. No reason 3 main characters won't have a confirmed last name. Kym and Manny should have a last name too.
2. Many fans calls him like that, named after the infamous serial killer. That was the reference for Jack the Ripper in the episode. I have a theory that Jack was two people, which is part of why he was so hard to catch. Not sure if both of them had the same motive though.
1. Weird. In my country, these videos are perfectly solid and valid. Who's your favorite character/killer/kill in "Scream Franchise"?
2. Maybe. I still don't rule out the possibility he was two people. I even have theories for the motives of some. At least one of them was sexually frustrated. All of their victims were hookers (at least that's what i remember). For some reasons, some male psychopaths want to have control over women that rejected them/deemed as "another woman i cant date with". Most likely both were men, but i won't rule out the possibility that one of the Jacks was actually Jackie, who slept with her male accomplice to insure his complete loyalty.
1. I see Stu as overrated and cartoonish, but i respect your opinion. He's still a better ghostface than Charlie. I mean, Charlie was one of two characters who were more stupid than Stu. Nothing special about him. A hate sink like most of the others, but not very appealing. He used to be the most brutal, but ever since Kieran, Beth and Jamal, Charlie lost even that.
2. Maybe they saw the one who got caught, and the one who got away slipped out of their grasp. Or, like with many of the Scream killers, the survivor wanted to make it appear as if there was only one killer. One his best takes was Sir William Gull from "From Hell".
3. I didn't saw it yet. How good was it from 1 to 11?
1. All the accomplices were cartoonish, though. Stu, Mickey, Kieran. Beth switched it around by being more cartoonish than Jamal.
And yeah, Charlie was dull.
2. I think you've been watching too many scary movies. No one was ever caught. They brought people in for questioning, but didn't have any evidence to make an arrest.
3. 7 or 8 out of 11. I like Homecoming as a movie more, but Far From Home had a lot more humorous scenes. Also, since Peter had more experience at being a hero, there was less amateurish cringe than in Homecoming.
4. I personally don't feel like Piper and Kieran should be counted as Ghostface killers. I prefer them under the name Lakewood Slasher. Calling them Ghostface just seems like a stupid attempt to connect the movies and the tv series. Especially when the Lakewood Slasher costume has so much more origin and meaning behind it, then the Father Death/Ghostface costume.
1. I agree about Jamal. People like him are real, and actually more dangerous than serial killers. Beth wasn't cartoonish. She was sick in the head (more sick than Jill, despite Jill being more evil) and disturbing. Some say even scary. Mickey was cartoonish in a good way. Entertaining. Stu was cartoonish in a disturbing way. Kieran is cartoonish only compare to other pure evil killers. He did some serious mistakes for a mastermind, but i wouldn't call him cartoonish. Also, dont worry about expanding Beth's article. I just finished it:
Any new editing will be a blessing, but now it would be more charity than necessity.
2. Horror films reflects life better than some think. Not to the sick degree people like Beth, Billy and Jill see it. I hope you know what i meant. Are you saying that real criminals are not always as smart as horror movies shows them to be? That's an interesting point.
3. For some reason, Spiderman working with the Avengers doesnt make too sense for me. I like him better at movies like " Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse". It's a must for every Spiderman fan. Emma Stone would be proud.
4. I still like the ghostface costume better. Now, if we put Piper and Kieran out of the ranking, here's my current ghostface ranking:
1st. Roman tied with Jill. The known reasons.
2nd. Jamal "Harlemface" Elliot. He have the second best motive (avenging his dead sibling and take his revenge on the man who walked around with the dead sibling's identity), half of his kills are two people who deserved it (if you count Avery as a justified kill, then he have 3 well-earned victims) and he ballanced between brutality and realism, and i consider him as the second most sympathetic killer so far (i might change my mind, but that's the direction).
3rd. Mickey. He went down 2 places because of Jamal. As entertaining as he is, it's just isn't enough to outrank the best soldier in the franchise so far.
4th. Debbie. The known reasons, in addition to be one of the few killers who know the concept of self-preservation
5th. Billy. The known reasons.
6th. Beth "Gothface" Whigham. Stupid motive, couldn't hide her maliciousness, not very unique in the franchise's standard, her strategy of being annoying so people won't suspect her was already done before and better, actually most of the other killers were better at hiding their villainy from the other characters, and overall her only real advantage is being played by Giorgia Whigham. She's a very pretty face and that's it.
7th. Stu. The known reasons.
8th. Charlie. The known reasons, in additions to climing higher in the villainy chart and lower in the brutality chart.
When you really think about it, Frank Underwood is a ghostface too, because he killed Neve Campbell's character and have a body count of no less than 3. Would you rank him?
1. All the Ghostface killers are sick in the head. Doesn't stop her from being cartoonishly evil like Stu and Mickey. I recall Kieran having some pretty goofy moments after being revealed as the killer. Though, I might just see them as cartoonish because I've seen much worse killers from horror movies.
2. I mean, in real life, people probably wouldn't make as many dumb decisions as the people in horror movies do. Though, it really depends on the killer and their targets. Some people are smart, and some people are stupid.
3. Haven't seen that one.
4. I like both costumes, but the Ghostface costume is definitely more unique.
1. Not all. Only the vast majority. Motherface and Harlemface were sane and had good motives. Kieran wasn't cartoonish either. Just what TV Tropes calls "idiot ball" and "Bond villains stupidity". Yes, he got the biggest idiot ball so far, but i dont see him as cartoonish. No doubt there are worse killers in other horror movies, but Roman and Jill definitely stands the villainy standard of many horror films. Which is your latest pick of horror movies?
2. The question was the opposite. I was informed that Hannibal was smarter than many real psychopaths. I met some of those in person. I'm i the only one who always make every psychopath he ever met to hate his guts? I mean, each time i knew a psychopath for an extended period of time, he/she hated me as if i killed Bambi's mother.
3. You're gonna like it. Are you comfortable with pre-watching information ("spoilers")? If so, i'll send you my personal watch review. If not, i'll just say that it explores many of Spiderman's versions and background. And most importantly, Gwen got her best version i can imagine.
4. At least he was murdered by his advisor. I wished him to die because of plot-relevant reasons, not because Kevin Spacey is an idiot who harass people. Also, Beth's PE proposal is out:
1A. Nah, Debbie wasn't sane and didn't have a good motive. She failed to realize that her son was in the wrong and getting killed was his own fault. Instead of being a bigger woman, she decided to direct her anger on someone who didn't deserve it and turned into the same monster that her son turned into. She also failed to realize that she was partly responsible for Billy's downfall.
1B. Kieran was brutal and serious as the killer, but when he was revealed, he became similar to Stu. I mean, what about this line? "You're right. I probably should've seen someone about that. But Piper showed me that killing people is way more fun than therapy."
1C. I guess. At least in terms of human killers.
1D. What do you mean by that?
2. Hannibal, as in Hannibal Lecter?
3. Hopefully. I hear people saying it's the best Spider-Man movie ever made.
4. I voted. Looks like she's gonna be approved.
5. Seeing as how you give the Ghostface killers nicknames, what are your nicknames for the rest?
1A. She did realized it. Deep down, she knew it's partly her fault. That's why she lost it. For her, it was either killing herself or avenging her dead son. For the sake of the discussion, if we assume Motherface wasn't sane and had no good reason to do what she did, then it leaves us with Jamal. He was sane and had a great motive. You gotta respect someone who tried to redeem himself and even revealed Beth at his final moments. I know he didn't said the name, but saying "she won't stop until you'll be dead" is all the hints Marcus needed.
1B. He was more similar to an improved Billy. His relationship with Piper, seeing her as his worship interest and all, is a reflection to the showrunners' speculaions about a scenario where Roman was Ronda. In simple words, if Roman was a girl, i'm pretty sure she would sleep with Billy for gaining his complete fanatical devotion.
1C+D. Also true for Beth. I dont like her one bit, she's a shame to all ghostfaces and her only adavantages are being played by Giorgia Whigham and an artistic side, but i must admit she's tough and know how to operate a horror movie despite being low-tier compare to many of her idols. When i said that psychopaths hate me, i meant that every psychopath i ever met came to hate my guts. I mean, when they stopped hurting me, they avoided me to a disturbing degree.
2. Yup. I thought you know. Sorry for not being clear.
3. They right. I'll send you the link and my personal review:
First 8 minutes: It began weird. They made Peter Parker acting like Deadpool. Talking about commercials and stuff. Miles Morales reminds me of myself. As smart as he is, not to mention going to be more powerful than Peter, his school is freaking exausting. His colleagues doesnt help. His cop father must refer to Captain Stacy. Spider Gwen will be happy to hear about that. One aspect i know i'll probably won't like, though, it their version of Doctor Octopus. Olivia Octavius just doesnt floating my boat the way Spiderman 2's Alfred Molina version does. Kingpin is rumored to be a cool main antagonist. Being dubbed by Liev Schreiber definitely helps. It will be probably like Victor "Sabertooth" Creed and a friend's idea to the big bad in one of my future stories merging into one terrifying character.
Minutes 8-36: When Kingpin killed one of the Spider-people, I realized what you meant. I mean, the king of his name comes from King Louie. He's a freaking bigfoot. Now him vs Batman. The Joker and Bane would be proud. I know for sure Stan Lee is. For good reasons. I was so happy to see him in the movie. Dying of old age, doing what I love the most and having a cameo in my own fictional universe, like Stan Lee did, is almost too amazing to wish for. Spider-Gwen is either yet to come or disguising herself as a blonde student from Miles' class. Being relatively cold-blooded in a sticky situation involving involuntary connection between her hair and Miles' hand is something Gwen would do. One of Peter's versions was the saddest one I remember. Divorced from Mary-Jane (she also appeared as his widow in another dimension), talked about his broken life and even made me feel sad with talking about sea horses attachment patterns. How sad can someone be to make sea horses seems like a good analogy to the marriage Peter wanted, in contrast to what he had? Knowing it could have been prevented if Gwen didn't got killed makes it even harsher. I wish Spider-Gwen would return to the broken Peter's dimension and fix it all.
Minutes 36-52:Peter now officially recognize Miles as his protege/student. The first real leason Peter taught Miles was "dont look at my mouth. Look at my hands". Body language in one sentence. Given Peter told it when he was tied up in Miles' webs, i would say every rookie interogator and armed forces officer learns it from day one. I must say that, as racist as it might sound, Peter and Miles' chemistry reminds me of Agent K (Peter as the white extraordinary veteran) and Agent J (Miles as the black promising new recruit). When they got into Doctor Octopus' lair, they got a funny moment. Peter: "relax your fingers. Be in the moment". Miles: "I am in the moment. It's a terrible moment" lol. I know Kingpin is a freaking bigfoot, but seeing him intimidating Doctor Octopus makes him even more menacing. Like how Shredder used to intimidate Doctor Stockman. Do you think he could pull this threat off with Doc Oc's Alfred Molina version as well? Another reason why i like Doc Oc as Oto more than as Olivia is Olivia being weird. She see Peter in her lab, doesnt suspect anything and just physically examining him in misplaced fascination. I'm pretty sure what she did can be considered as sexual harassment, or at least highly illigal invasive methods. It's weird to see a woman doing it. Maybe the good people wanted us to see her as disturbing? "My friends call me Liv" is self condradicting. I mean, a degraded version of Doctor Octopus have friends? She's probably one of those girls who leave behind long raws of bitter exes. The only way i can see her having friends is if she brainwashed them, like how Babyface brainwashed Olivia Morris and Kirby.
Minutes 52-1:14:53 and ending: Gwen came just in time and she was awesome. Emma Stone would’ve liked it. Her sheer awesomeness makes you wonder how on earth could anyone ever thought of getting her killed for evolving Peter's character. She came from a version where Peter serve as the lion to the slaughter and she's the hero. Turns out she was already on plain site, spying on Miles by posing as his classmate. I saw it coming from miles away. I dont know if it's the movie trying to be obvious or me having common sense. I dont like Olivia as a villain, but i gotta give her credit for raising herself up with her exterior arms to look Kingpin in the eyes. Quite feministic on the director's side. Do you see Olivia as objectively mal-written villain, or just not as good as Alfred Molina version? After the part Spider-Gwen revealed her mother have a secret bunker in her house, things became weird. 3 other Spider-people made less sense than our initial heroes. The pig who became a spider, an obvious shout-out to "Spider Pig" who does whatever a spider-pig does, was too much. This whole scene felt like a class reunion. It's a good movie, but sometimes i feel it's pressing too hard on the meta jokes pedal. And why would Prowler be Miles' uncle? It doesnt come out as a twist. It's more like a forced plotline. The good people did the right thing with Kingpin's wish to bring his family back, but not with making Prowler as an evil uncle. Another good thing the good people did was giving Gwen an aura of Laurel "Agent L" Weaver from "Men In Black". With her as the last minute savior, Peter as the out of prime professional and Miles as the promising new guy, the good people nailed it. Great chemistry.
4. By chronological order:
A. Billy is Billyface. A wordplay made of Billy and ghostface.
B. Stu is Stupidface, because he's extremely stupid.
C. Mickey is Movieface, because he wanted to blame the movies.
D. Debbie is Motherface for obvious reasons.
E. Roman is Masterface, because he's the mastermind of the whole franchise.
F. Jill is Babyface, both because she have a literal babyface and because of her mommy issues.
G. Charlie is Geekface, because he's a geek.
H. Piper is Viper. A worldplay made of Piper and snake, because she's venomous.
I. Kieran is Prince Blackheart, because he pretended he's Prince Charming to cover over his psychopathy.
J Third killer is 3K. It's a short for 3rd killer.
K. Jamal is Harlemface, both because he's black and because he lived on the streets for a good portion of his life.
L. Beth is Gothface, because she's gothic.
Tom Martin have no nickname. I dislike him too much to include him on my list. Hook Man doesnt need explaining, because we all know he have hooks as his weapon of choice.
1A. I guess, but Mrs. Voorhees and Jason did that whole motive better.
1B. Did Jamal really feel remorseful, though? I thought his attempt at revealing Beth was more of revenge towards her for betraying him. Even when she betrays him, he still helps her lure Marcus to the truck lot, and even his ending dialogue seems to be full of hate and spite rather than remorse.
1C. I found her motive really boring. She was somewhat entertaining, but she had Bond Villain stupidity and she was kind of obvious. I guess her being the bad guy covers for the bad writing of the relationship between her and Amir, though.
1D. I still don't get it. You've met psychopaths before?
2. Well, it was either Hannibal Lecter, or Hannibal, the war general. I didn't know which, 'cause I thought if you meant Lecter you would say Hannibal Lecter.
4. Interesting, I don't think you need one for Third Killer, though.
4B. Yes, Tom is the 2nd worst Scream villain after John Milton. The only thing that's memorable about him is the garden shears. But, Cropsy and Roy Burns have him beat in that department.
5. Who do you think the Third Killer was? I believe that it was Emma's Dad, who had framed Brandon James for the orginal Lakewood Slasher murders, because he was jealous of Brandon's love for Maggie.
1A. That's for sure. And Zira did it better too. Also, if we take in account that Zira is practically the neo-nazi lion version of Pamela Voorhees, does it mean that it could make sense if Jason had a mal-nurtured brother who hate his guts for "mother loves him better!" and "we have the same mother, but my father only took him in" reasons?
1B. Yes he Did. If he really felt no remorse, he could've kill her and close the deal. Beth was more framable than she think, and Jamal could really frame her as the real killer. Going to the cops indicate he wanted to set things right. Even though his dying speech had hate and spite, i do believe deep down he had a part who still loved Marcus. His voice tone indicate he was conflicted between the psychopath he became and the brother he was. Killing Latavious aside, Jamal is no worse than my own brother. He never did anything my brother not willing to do/had not done already.
1C. I would say less boring and more fudged-up. The fact she was obvious is ironic, because she was so specific about her sociopathy that people just assumed she have nothing to hide. I knew her personality ages in advance, but originally thought the main killer would be Liv. She could be a much better killer, because she was sophisticated and was just overly nice to be cunning and hiding things.
1D. Yes. At least 3 confirmed psychopaths. One was honorable, another one was pure evil and the third used to be a nice girl.
2. I should really be more clear. When people mention the name Hannibal during a talk about horror, it's usually Hannibal Lecter. Hannibal Carthage was an interesting historical figure on his own right. If you want to know more about him, you can always watch "Barbarians Rising". It's a series about the Roman empire's greatest enemies.
4. Agree. 3K is most likely Kevin. The obvious reasons. Killing the man who tormented his daughter and framing Brandon. The other suspects are detailed in the killer's page.
5. Cropsy sounds interesting. But why does this wiki see him as tragic? pedophils are never tragic. These people are some of the worse scumbags on earth. Unlike him, i can see Burns' tragedy. I know he was grieving over his child, but did he had a part of it? And if he did, he secretly knew it and lost his mind due to realising that, or he truely believed everyone else are to blame and developed a tase for blood in the prosses?
6. They raped Maureen while killing her. Many people are confused. They remember Milton raped her, but not always remember Billy and Stu done the same.
1A. No, that wouldn't make sense. Jason was an only child.
1B. I wanted to feel sorry for him, but he killed innocent people when he only had beef with one of those people. It makes it kind of hard to feel sympathy for someone who would kill innocents just to torment a person they hate. Still, Jamal does have one of the better motives.
1C. I thought it was Liv when she pulled out the lighter. I mean what was that about? Does she just like burning herself with a lighter? They don't seem to ever bring that up, leaving me to believe that they just threw that in there to lead us on the wrong path.
1D. Damn. I can't say I've ever met one. Though, looking back, I think they're might have been a psycho in my class. I faintly remember getting bad vibes from that dude.
4. The only thing that makes me doubtful is that Brandon responds to Maggie's plea to leave Emma alone pretty violently. That and Mr. James checking into that hotel.
5. It was only implied that he was a pedophile, never confirmed. What was confirmed was that he was somewhat sadistic and liked scaring children. Still, he didn't deserve to have his face burned and his body scarred that bad. I didn't add the tag, but I think it fits.
6. When was that implied? The closest thing I can think of is when the news report mentions that it was a rape and murder. But, Cotton had sex with Maureen before she was killed, which could explain the evidence of rape.
1A. He's a single child in the canon. But let's think for a second about a fanfic where he have a sibling. I know Pamela is a devoted mother, but not all devoted mothers are devoted to all children equally. Do you see yourself reading that kind of fanfic?
1B. He killed only one innocent. Latavious. Actually the least brutal kill of the season. Of course he's sympathetic to a certain extent, being a psychopath and all, but he still have a great motive and valid tragedy. If you disregard Motherface's motive, then Harlemface have the best one. The fact he had plans to turn on Beth, maybe even informed the cops before his death (she knew he wanted to do it, but maybe he already did), makes him even better. If you were a psychopath, do you see yourself working with Jamal? Assuming, of course, you won't anything Beth would do.
2. I thought the same, until Beth came up from the blow to the head. Only then I realized it's her, because only killers and Dewey can survive a direct brain damage. I wish Liv was the killer instead though. She had what it takes, more sophisticated (I believe Beth secretly knew it) and would have a better motive. If she was a killer in your version, which motive would you give her? And how would you like her to kill Beth in that alternative season?
3. Did this guy hurt you, or just showed signs? What did he do that indicate on being on the anti-social spectrum?
4. For the first section, it's likely (or at least possible) that Maggie knew it's Kevin and they staged a fight so no one would suspect. The second section might be explained by either bad writing or by Brandon realized Kevin framed him, and therefore thinking about his revenge.
5. If he didn't do it, then he did got more than he deserved. But if he did what they say he did, he deserved no better than being burned. If we assume the rumors about him aren't confirmed, does it mean he was framed?
6. It was implied many times. While Cotton did had sex with Maureen before the murder, It's easier to frame someone at the victim was raped for real. Beside that, there are some evidences. First, the part where they slashed her groin. That's the kind of things people do only during a rape or fending off a sexual assault. Billy himself had a twisted connection between sex and domination, as shown when he pressured Sidney into doing things so he could mark a V before killing her, and when he rambled about Maureen being a "slut bag whore". There's also the possibility that one of Billy's motive was possessiveness toward Sidney ("a dead Sidney won't leave me"), which is a mindset of people who either commit rape or just fine with the concept. Stu tried to rape Sidney at his final moments. It can't be his first time raping someone. When he said "we put her out of her misery, cause let's face it, Sidney, your mother was no Sharon Stone", he refer to raping her ("her misery") and then killing her as their concept of mercy. Maybe I forgot some evidences, but this is what I can think about at the moment.
1A. No. Not really. The lost brother/sister/cousin is more of Scream's schtick.
1B. Actually, you have a point. Avery and Tommy were jerks that deserved what they got. But, I don't know about Hook Man. He suffered from PTSD and was remorseful when he found out what he'd done. I can see why Jamal killed him, though.
1C. That's not really saying much when most of the motives in Scream boil down to being a jealous relative or just being crazy.
1D. If I were a psychopath/Ghostface, I would be a lonewolf. Less chance of messing up, and less chance of being sold out. So, that'd be a no.
2A. I recall other characters surviving such things. Randy survived being hit with a phone and shot. Gale and Dewey survived all 4 Scream movies. That's a pretty interesting way to figure it out.
2B. I'm kind of glad that it wasn't Liv, 'cause I thought it might be too obvious. Plus, that whole scene with the lighter would've revealed her too soon.
2C. Not sure, the motive they were kind of implying was that Liv had just snapped. Also, don't ask me how she would accomplish it, but I kind of like the idea of Liv trapping Beth in a tanning bed. Sort of an ironic death, being that Beth is goth that relishes in darkness, being killed by light.
2D. I called it, that Liv's dad was actually trying to protect people from Liv rather than the other way around.
3. Hated authority, carried around a razor, sometimes threatened people with it. I think he threatened me once. But, I'm not a very threatening person, so I don't know why.
4. All just theories. I hope someday we get a conclusion to the Brandon James saga.
5. I don't know how to explain it. Just watch The Burning and decide for yourself. I'm sure you can find the full movie on Youtube. Just search "The Burning 1981".
6. I guess. Never really saw Billy and Stu as rapists. Kind of ruins their chances at being the best Ghostface. I despise rapists.
7. Speaking of Hook Man. Never thought I'd see the day when Ghostface vs Candyman became a reality.
1A. It's a universal schtick. Many of the best conflicts in fiction were between brothers/sisters/family members overall. It's always symbolic, even in the wrong hands, and the depths of the hate/rivalry are many times unrivaled. If you write stories, maybe your characters have these kind of conflicts too.
1B. He just used his PTSD as an excuse to mislead Marcus. This was one of the things I didn't liked about Marcus (a great character, but not without his flaws). He believed the lies of the man who killed his brother. It's even worse than Sidney when she was sad and frighten to see Milton get killed. His remorse is nothing. It's just a Freudian excuse. I know he wasn't sadistic, but killing a child is still a qualifying reason to be pure evil. None of the other killers had done it so far. He's no worse than the other 5 devils, but he's horrible enough. I dislike him only slightly less than I dislike Beth.
1C+D. I used to think the same. But when Beth and Jamal came, it changed a lot. Part of why Jamal was original is that he's the only relative who didn't had mother issues, let alone having a normal motive. Also, your idea of working alone might make sense. The question now is what's your motive. I know it might be a weird question, but here it goes: Are we sure that the fact Jamal turned on Beth and wanted to be redeemed doesn't make him trustworthy?
2A. Not completely the same. The positive characters survived, but were in no shape to do too much. When were unconscious, they were usually out of action for a big portion of the showdown. With Beth, however, her unexpected toughness was just like Jamal's hint. "She would never stop". Being perfectly coherent after a massive brain damage can mean only one thing. Even Marcus knew it. Also, here are the moments I figured out the rest of the killers:
The obvious from the beginning: Billy (at the very moment he said "nobody said you did"), Stu (when he got detailed about how to gut someone), Mickey (when he counted the stabs that killed Maureen Evans), Charlie (I saw the nasty look toward Robbie and his clear obsession toward his female classmates when he asked them questions in front of the camera), Kieran (Ever since episode 1 of second season. The good people retconned it, which prevented Audrey to be the killer, so it could only be the charismatic boyfriend who can do everything) and Jamal (being a criminal brother with a strained relationship with Marcus was all I needed to know).
Those who I was on to them midway through the movie: Debbie (when the killer killed Randy after talking poorly about Billy. As Billy is someone that only a mother can love, the person who killed Randy could only be a grieving mother), Roman (he walked around in a giant mansion, completely clueless. People who act like that are either ferociously stupid or ferociously smart) and Jill (she said "my mother drives me crazy", moments before her mother was murdered).
Honestly? Only Piper and Beth surprised me. Piper because I only figured her out when I saw her feminine figure under the black suit right before she removed her mask (Amelia Rose-Blaire in a black suit is very revealing lol), and Beth because she was so specific about her nastiness and recklessness that I just assumed she had nothing to hide.
2B+D. Of course I like Liv as the final girl, but she would also be a better killer than Beth. Do you think the killer of season 4 would have a thing for Liv? And what do you mean by "Liv's father was trying to protect people from Liv"? I might need to see the season a third time and consult with some of my "Scream" fans pen-mates, but unless Liv is secretly a psychopath/frequently involved in criminal activities, I don't think a father would protect other people from his own daughter.
3. Man :-(. He sounds like a male Beth. He probably threatened you because you didn't dance by his nonsense or something. This Ben Whigham you're talking about is probably in jail right now, or maybe he was killed by a psychopath just like him. Which scenario do you find more likely?
4. I asked Jill the writer about it. She was as silent as Freddy Krueger's conscience. That's not very nice of her. It's even worse than Willa Fitzgerald's usage of her relationship with one of the writers for changing things in the series she doesn't like.
5. I'll look for it when I can. But first, i'm planning to finish my second watch of "Game Of Thrones" and starting "The Punisher". Happen to see "The Punisher"? If so, do you also think that Frank Castle is a great anti-hero?
6. Like the rest of mankind. Now, when you know these two are both overrated as hell and rapists, who's your favorite ghostface?
7. Same her. It was marvelous to put it mildly. You gotta respect Jamal for killing a more evil version of Candyman. I believe the only characters (other than Jamal) who could take down Hook Man are Cotton, Roman, Kevin Duval and maybe Kieran. Do you see Sidney taking Hook Man down? And does the fact Beth killed one of the strongest and toughest killers yet means that she could kill Hook Man as well?
"It's a universal schtick. Many of the best conflicts in fiction were between brothers/sisters/family members overall. It's always symbolic, even in the wrong hands, and the depths of the hate/rivalry are many times unrivaled."
I know. But, it shouldn't have any place in Friday the 13th.
"If you write stories, maybe your characters have these kind of conflicts too."
I actually do write. Can't say I ever did the good vs evil family thing, though.
"He just used his PTSD as an excuse to mislead Marcus. This was one of the things I didn't liked about Marcus (a great character, but not without his flaws). He believed the lies of the man who killed his brother. It's even worse than Sidney when she was sad and frighten to see Milton get killed. His remorse is nothing. It's just a Freudian excuse. I know he wasn't sadistic, but killing a child is still a qualifying reason to be pure evil. None of the other killers had done it so far. He's no worse than the other 5 devils, but he's horrible enough. I dislike him only slightly less than I dislike Beth."
I will have to rewatch the season in order to comment on this.
"Also, your idea of working alone might make sense. The question now is what's your motive."
Probably a mix between Stu and Beth. Boredom and wanting to be remembered. Makes me boring, but I don't got a lot of people in my life that I want to kill.
"Are we sure that the fact Jamal turned on Beth and wanted to be redeemed doesn't make him trustworthy?"
Yes. If I'm a psychopath, I don't want to work with someone that might try to redeem.
"Not completely the same. The positive characters survived, but were in no shape to do too much. When were unconscious, they were usually out of action for a big portion of the showdown. With Beth, however, her unexpected toughness was just like Jamal's hint. "She would never stop". Being perfectly coherent after a massive brain damage can mean only one thing. Even Marcus knew it."
I would've never thought of that. I just assumed all the Scream characters have some sort of plot armor.
"Also, here are the moments I figured out the rest of the killers:"
Billy and Stu: Scary Movie pretty much spoiled it for me. As well as reading Ghostface's article on the Scream wiki, back when I wasn't into horror movies.
Mickey: I figured it had to be Mickey or Derek, because of the killer being strong enough to stab a knife through a bathroom stall, not to mention the body size.
Debbie: Didn't see it coming.
Roman: When Sidney found out that Milton raped her mother.
Jill: Didn't see it coming.
Charlie: Figured it had to be him or Robbie due to the cameras and them being tech nerds.
Piper: I figured it out as soon as Emma and Audrey saw the ultrascans at the hospital.
Kieran: Didn't see it coming.
Jamal: Didn't see it coming. I thought they revealed him too early for it to be him.
Beth: Didn't see it coming. Thought it was Kim or Liv.
"Of course I like Liv as the final girl, but she would also be a better killer than Beth."
How so? Her motive would be that she's just mad about her parents' divorce.
"Do you think the killer of season 4 would have a thing for Liv?"
That would certainly be a different motive. Is season 4 even confirmed, yet?
"And what do you mean by "Liv's father was trying to protect people from Liv"? I might need to see the season a third time and consult with some of my "Scream" fans pen-mates, but unless Liv is secretly a psychopath/frequently involved in criminal activities, I don't think a father would protect other people from his own daughter."
Her father thought that the divorce drove her crazy.
"This Ben Whigham you're talking about is probably in jail right now, or maybe he was killed by a psychopath just like him. Which scenario do you find more likely?"
"Like the rest of mankind. Now, when you know these two are both overrated as hell and rapists, who's your favorite ghostface?"
Roman is and probably will be my favorite, due to his effectiveness as a killer, being the one who started the franchise, and also having one of the better motives.
"Same her. It was marvelous to put it mildly. You gotta respect Jamal for killing a more evil version of Candyman."
Jamal is the first killer to show some actual skills with a knife, like combat wise. Though, Roman's knife throw was pretty impressive.
"I believe the only characters (other than Jamal) who could take down Hook Man are Cotton, Roman, Kevin Duval and maybe Kieran."
That seems accurate. Though, Mickey might also be able to.
"Do you see Sidney taking Hook Man down?"
I think she could. Not in a straight fight, but there's a lot of places to hide in that junkyard. She might be able to trick him and sneak attack him.
"And does the fact Beth killed one of the strongest and toughest killers yet means that she could kill Hook Man as well?"
1A. I would like to hear more about your stories when you feel ready. Obviously you write about horror, but do you write about sci-fi, fantasy and action too? And do you agree with the statement that Jason is a better villain than Michael Meyers?
1B. On a personal note: my paternal grandfather have PTSD. I met all sort of people with PTSD. But none of them used it the way Hook Man used it. Using PTSD to make Marcus feel guilty about hating the man who killed is brother is low. Even if we disregard the fact Hook Man is the first killer in the franchise to kill a child, his cynical abuse of PTSD is just low enough to cut the chase.
1C. Good thing you're not a psychopath lol. Stu is irrelevant to the "if you were a psychopath..." question. He's psychotic. The part with surviving an accomplice's wish to be redeemed can work. If you join him/her and get back to life, which will prove him/her you're worthy of his trust, both of you will be just fine. Beth did a mistake on that one. She was so afraid to go in jail, like Ben Whigham from your class was, that she practically shot her own head. She could survive jail, and taking the risk she took makes her more brawn than brain compared to other masterminds. The original Piper done the same mistake. Before the retcon, Audrey was her partner, maybe even the real mastermind. Audrey had a change of heart ("come on, Piper. Let's give it a rest. I have friends now. Emma got what she deserved for abandoning me. Can we just let Emma suffer and live it behind?"). By turning off the proposed redemption, Piper betrayed Audrey, and the rest is a 9mm headache pill. A pen-mate say the original Piper was loyal, but insisting on being evil while one's partner want to be a better person is betrayal in my book.
2A. The plot armor was relevant only to the first movie. Ever since Debbie got serious, Sidney became another badass character who can be killed. Unless you consider Kieran's bond villain stupidity as a plot armor, I don't recall Emma had one. Kym had a plot armor, because before Manny was murdered, she was one of those talkative girls who go around saying everything to everyone because they rely on the fact no one will hit them. Marcus and Liv didn't enjoyed that kind of armor.
2B. You're saying that "Scream" got you into the horror movies world? That's strong stuff. It's funny you suspected Derek, because in the original scrapped script, he was indeed one of Debbie's soldiers. I've even met a "wise guy" on youtube who wished that Derek and Mickey were the killers instead of the canon scenario. I actually liked Derek as a lion to the slaughter, but if he was Doctorface, which motive would you give him?
3. I believe the real surprise was less that Debbie was the killer and more her appearance. Sidney saw her coming from miles away, even recognized her by sight, and Cotton was on to Debbie midway through the movie. Gale herself said that she was surprised only because Debbie was supposed to be fat. I see your point with Jill, because petite girls are usually less likely to kill people. They are either like Kirby or like those girls who orchestrate excommunication. Charlie is technically tragic, but I stopped sympathize him at the very moment he killed Robbie and took pride of it. I guess you figured Piper out faster than I did. It's important to say that the reason Emma didn't suspected her, other than Piper being a genius, is that Emma suspected that one of the killers will be closer to her than what Piper was. Out of all the people who were close to Emma, Piper was the least close. She suspected Kieran, but just like Sidney, she had to hug someone so bad that she strangled her suspicions at their sleep. Jamal was probably the killer that I figured out the fastest. I can totally see why you never saw Beth coming until she survived Liv's assault. Kym could never be a killer, because she went through a real development after losing Manny.
4. Killing people because your parents are divorced is just dumb. I met many people with divorced parents. My own parents are divorced. I try not to judge people, but there's only so much whining one can do about it. If Liv was the killer, it could be for a far better reason than that. Even if her father thought the divorced made her crazy (a personal note: My own brother is worse than Jamal, but our own parents' divorce didn't made him any crazier than he already was), he would never think she want to be operative about killing people. Your theory is possible, but to my humble opinion not likely.
5. Season 4 can be a blast. Hopefully the showrunners won't repeat the mistakes of season 2. Maybe they can finally find a way to mix 3K into it. The possibility that the white male killer will have a thing for Liv make sense, because brave, tough and fleshed-out women like Liv always have people who fantasying about them. And the fact she trashed Beth for most of the fight definitely helps.
6. He's one of my own favorite killers as well, along with Jill and Jamal. Except for one moment of bad luck with throwing the knife at Dewey (Dewey's unnatural luck is one of the few things can get through something like that), he showed skill in everything he did. If Jamal was his partner, he might've been more effective at killing Jamal than Beth was. Or, if Roman would be practical enough to not shooting his own head during Jamal's quest for redemption phase, he could play along and get back to life, or portray Sidney as the ultimate evil.
7. If Sidney could, then Jill could too. She was supernatural (up until the electrocution, she was practically immortal, and she did the smartest attempt for a second round), sneaky and had one of the higher IQs in the franchise, even if she isn't the best improviser. The question if Piper could take down Hook Man depends if she's supernatural or not. If she wasn't supernatural, then her best chance would be bringing her partner with her. If the partner was Audrey, she would be a bigfoot's meat.
8. She wasn't sneaking as much as she came to see him. Until removing the mask, Jamal possibly assumed it's someone else. Another possibility is that Jamal was overconfident. In his defense, his overconfidence is more grounded in reality than some other characters', including Beth's.
1A: I write about anything I find interesting, really.
1B: I love both Jason and Michael, but Jason is better due to actually having a backstory and reason behind his actions. Halloween is the better franchise, though.
1C: Redemption is off the table for a psychopath. If I'm gonna dress like Ghostface and kill a bunch of people, I'm not gonna redeem. I'm gonna get away with it or die trying. Because face it, if you needed to torment and kill people to have fun or get your jollies, chances are you were already at the end of your rope.
2A: Dewey and Gale have pretty big plot armor. Especially in the second movie. I thought Dewey was good as dead when I saw him being stabbed and pushed up against the glass.
2B: No. I used to be scared of horror movies, but still watched them when my brothers would. I got over that fear when I grew up, and decided to watch popular ones I had been hearing about. I started with the Halloween franchise, because I wanted to go see Halloween 2018. And that's how I became a horror fan. Funny thing, Ghostface was actually one of my Halloween costumes as a kid.
2C: I don't know. I feel like Derek and Mickey would've been too similar to Billy and Stu.
4: It is a stupid motive, but so is just doing it for the lulz.
5: I can't see how they'd incorporate the Third Killer into this new cast of characters.
6: I'm pretty sure Roman planned to hit Dewey with the handle of the knife. If he killed Dewey, he would've lost one of his hostages. Roman and Jamal would have made a pretty deadly team.
7: Beth had a weapon, Jamal didn't. Though, in retrospect, I don't think Hook Man wasn't that hard to beat. So, maybe Beth's small stature could help her get in quick stabs.
8: Honestly, I think you could make a case for all of the Ghostface killers beating Hook Man. Except for maybe, Debbie. Though, did Debbie do anything besides kill Randy? Was she the one that tried to attack Sidney in the sorority house?
1A. Would you like to tell me about one of your stories?
1B. So I guess you choose Laurie Strode over Tommy Jarvis. I like Tommy better, but I can respect that. The weird part is that I met someone in youtube who like Michael better. Does he realize that a black mask with a knife who hate his sister without any reason can't be a better character than one of the best serial killers ever? His last words to me were that I force my opinions on others. I just gave him objective facts about Michael and other killers. People can like whatever they like, but even if "Halloween" is better than FT13, Michael can't really compete with Jason.
1C. Depends on which psychopath. Not all of them are heartless. Not all of them are killing for kicks either. I know about fictional characters who were redeemed, about some real-life Nazis who saw the error in their ways and about quite a few sociopaths who's actually functioning and capable of having true friends with mutual caring.
2A. Their plot armor was before Motherface became serious. She became serious when she got up from Sidney's bottle in her head and started to shoot. That was when Sidney became killable. I do agree that Dewey should've been killed 2 movies ago though. His death could improve the movie and the franchise, not to mention god watched over him for too long.
2B. Your siblings did the right thing with introducing you to this world. I see why you watched the original "Halloween" to understand the remake. And yet, as far as I don't like Michael Meyers, his tragic remake version is better. As said, I don't dig for white masks without anything behind them.
3. Agree. The man who wanted Derek as a killer just a sexist who think women can't be killers. It's ever more stupid than Stu's motive. And Stu had no motive at all, which make the sexist man's motive to say the things he said even worse.
4. They might come out with something. I can even deal with stupid ideas. I just want the good people to confirm 3K's identity really badly. Know what I mean?
5. Never came to my mind. I'll have to consult about it with some of my other "Scream" fans pen-mates. But if he did what you say he did, and not just missed with inches, then he really is the smartest killer so far and a better character. If that's the case, it makes Dewey killing him ever more humiliating. How do you visualize the final girl/guy who can defeat the combined team of Roman and Jamal?
6: Hook Man only look that way in retrospective because Jamal made it look easy. Also, the part where he killed only one child does downplay his toughness. Either way, I know at least 5 ghostface couldn't kill him. Billy, Stu, Mickey, Charlie and Debbie are bigfoot fodder. Debbie could manipulate him, but killing him would be far harder than attacking Sidney on the sorority room. If Randy was Ruleface, I assume he could manipulate Hook Man too.
7. He cracked me out. Lol very much. I know the creators based him on the speculation that Dewey was the third killer (it was Roman), but it can only happen in comedies. Dewey is one of those characters who can't ever be killers.
1A: Sorry, I haven't written them yet. They are just concepts.
1B: Yeah, I like Laurie more because she has more presence in the Halloween franchise and is more badass. Tommy didn't even appear in Friday the 13th until Part 3 and his story ended in 6. Keep in mind, I'm talking about the original Laurie Strode played by Jamie Lee Curtis, not the whiny brat in the remake.
Others have opinions. If you were presenting facts to try and change his opinion, then that is forcing an opinion.
2A: Dewey served to be everyone's punching bag. I liked him in 1, 2, and 3, but I felt he was kind of a jerk in 4.
2B: I didn't just watch the original Halloween, I watched the whole franchise before I watched the 2018 one. I like both OG Myers and Remake Myers. A lot of horror villains kill people for no reason. Michael was one of the first. That's why he's a horror icon. He also preys on our expectation of there being more to his madness, but in reality, there is nothing there. With exception to Cursed Michael, who's kind of tragic.
3: Well, it was just a concept. So, at least it didn't make it into the movie. I don't see how it's sexist, though, since they thought of Derek and Mickey before Debbie and Mickey.
4: That would be nice.
5: If you watch the scene, it seems like Roman meant for the handle to hit him in the head. Not really, Roman was pretty damaged from his fight with Sidney.
6: When I think about it, Billy and Stu's biggest advantage was each other. So, maybe not. Mickey was pretty strong, athletic, and agile, though.
7A: I like the idea, but I agree, Dewey just doesn't strike me as a Ghostface. And after the damage he's taken, I think he might be a bit of an innefective Ghostface.
1B. Alice and Ginny were symbolic, and sometimes it takes time before the story become what we know today. Maybe the fact Tommy left us after part 6 is what made everything after part 7, except for (maybe) "Freddy vs Jason" and the remake for part 1, go the hell. Jamie Lee Curtis is the only Laurie I know. Hope you won't feel the same about the new actress who'll play Sidney in the future reboot.
2A. The real jerks of "Sre4m" were Gale (she practically lost all her character development from earlier parts. Her treatment to Judy was entirely uncalled for) and Rebecca (i'm not saying she deserved to die, but she's the second victim in the history of the franchise that no one would morn about). Maybe that was part of Gale's crazy jealousy toward Judy. Because Judy never treated Dewey like a punching bag, and the thought of an independent husband made her mad. Her novel was a mess, and she wanted to at least have Dewey as down on his luck as she was. Dewey was more desperate than jerk. Like the desperation Sidney had in parts 1 and 2.
2B. Even those who kill for no reason were at least defined characters with personality. I admit that having no motive is part of why not everybody relate to horror, but not all motiveless villains are empty characters. Michael just never strikes me as a real character other than his white mask and knife. Just like you said, his tragic incarnation is better. The complete opposite than Chucky.
3. The original idea was with Derek, Hallie and Debbie. The draft Mickey was supposed to be nice for real, and ended up tied up, with Derek and Hallie stabbing him simultaneously. And then, Debbie asked her soldiers to toss a coin. Hallie won and Debbie shot her because she won. And then she shot Derek. The ending was supposed to be with Cotton supposedly saving the day, only to kill Gale and fighting with Sidney. Honestly, this idea was so horrible that the good people had to pretend it leaked on the internet. They just couldn't admit it.
4. It would definitely be better than what the showrunners do now. I searched for Jill E. Blotevogel and found her on facebook, but she never answered me when I asked her about the third killer's identity. Did you had more luck with finding a confirmation?
5. I might need to watch it again then. The part where Sidney injured him before he swept her off her feet actually worked perfectly, because it saved him the need to injure himself the way Jill did. That was part of his reason to hurt her without leaving scars and injuries. It's a reversed wounded gazelle gambit. No injuries, no sympathy. Beth forgot it, because hurting Liv with the most grievous injuries possible was more important to her than her own life. Roman knew better.
6. Not a too big advantage. These two are a worse team than the raptors of JP2. They were stupid enough to stab each other before stabbing Sidney, and then turned on each other for petty revenge ("you stabbed me? I'll show you stabbing!"). And that even if we don't take in count the possibility that Billy had Stu on his killing list. Mickey was very skilled, but his recklessness and tendency for crazy gambits would be his downfall. No way he could kill a war veteran like Hook Man.
7. He would be ineffective even without the damage. But just for fun, in a funny story where he is, his nickname would be Starface (sheriff star and all). Doofy would be mugface (he made Cindy drop her mug of coffee when she realized he just pretend he's retarded), Bobby would be Riverface (his whole reason of existence was... You know what), Ray would be wayansface (played by Shawn Wayans and gone crazy after the show was cancelled), Sidney would be Queenface (the name explains itself) and Gale would be Novelface (she wrote the novel about Cotton's innocence and verbally abused Sidney for a year after publishing her novel).
Henry was a pretty interesting character and it was enjoyable seeing Macaulay being evil. His f-bomb caught me by surprise.
What do you mean? This was my first time seeing the movie.
1A: I think you need a proof-reader.
1B: Nah, Part 7 and so on was still pretty entertaining. I never really saw the Friday the 13th movies as anything particularly too special, anyways. Jason Goes to Hell, on the other hand, was trash. Turning Jason into a bodysnatching demon, was just a mockery. And that tumor-head look was hideous.
2B: There are technically two tragic versions. Cursed Michael and Remake Michael. Both of those Michaels were capable of love. Cursed Michael was just a puppet for the Cult of Thorn. This is best shown when Michael takes off his mask and sheds a tear when Jamie tries to reason with him. Then, there's Remake Michael who had an awful childhood, but despite that, still loved his baby sister and mother.
Side note: In the novel, Michael is possessed by an evil spirit.
7: Don't you think Mugface is a bit unfitting for Doofy? I mean, it was one scene. Maybe Fauxface, because he faked being retarded. Or Slickface, because he fooled everyone and got away, and also his hair looked slicked back when he stopped faking.
I don't get Riverface.
8: What would be your Ghostface name?
I think mine would be Collectorface, Judgeface, or Thrillface.
1. Sorry. I thought you watched it before. What's a proof-reader? If you had time to have this opinion, it means you've read it all so far. What do you think?
2. Jason didn't go to hell. The movie itself and its fans went to hell :-(. What you feel about FT13 is a soft version of what I feel about "Halloween". I like Meyers better as his capable of love versions, but still never liked this franchise too much. The cult sounds interesting though. I like the cult better than the evil spirit from the novel. If I do want to read the novel, can I find it on PDF or something?
3. Are you familiar enough with "Jurassic Park" for having interesting and intelligent conversations about it? Hope you do, because I have some ideas for a reboot, and only fans/open-minded people are capable of understand it.
4. It's fitting. Dropping the mug as soon as she realized the idiot is actually the mastermind is a strong moment. Slickface sounds better than Fauxface, partly because most of the killers (with the possible exception of Jamal) were faux to some degree. Now, I didn't want to be too blunt about it, but here it comes: At the scene when Cindy and Bobby had their first sex, Bobby was bursting like a river. Cindy flew to the ceiling. Not sure about my own ghostface names. Judgeface is a good name.
1A: A proofreader is someone that reads through someone's work and corrects any mistake in spelling, grammar, or punctuation.
It's interesting. But, the story goes quick, and I don't know if it was a good idea to combine the movie and the show. Also, a huge issue is your use of tense.
"but Rita shuting her up" - Correction: but Rita shuts her up.
"they both cornering Rita and Gretchen" - They both corner Rita and Gretchen.
2: I don't think so. The novel's pretty expensive.
3: Not really. I haven't watched any of those films.
4: Oh. I think Judgeface would be a good nickname for a vigilante Ghostface.
5: I know you have a connection to Jamal, but I would honestly say he's a bad man/woman, just like every other Ghostface. MIG's wouldn't kill or attack people who are innocent or have nothing to do with their goals. Jamal almost killed Liv's dad.
1. Thanks. Usually i'm not the kind of guy who do too many grammar mistakes. My own original stories are better than that. You don't like my decision to combine the movies and the show because the interactions are lacking, or because you believe each should be left for its own?
2. I meant for PDF. It will be very long before I could buy a new book. Here are some books I really recommend you to read: "Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind", "Homo Deus: A Brief History of Tomorrow" and "21 Lessons for the 21st Century" by Yuval Noah Harari. He's the smartest person I know, and most of his words and theories are pure greatness. His series, especially the first two parts, is the kind of things that changes one's whole thinking. At least my thinking.
3. Oh. I believe you'll like some of the characters though. Indoraptor (sometimes I call him I-Black for short), Indominus rex and Lewis Dodgson could be great serial killers. Indoraptor is a scaly Rottweiler who reminds me of Jamal/the pre-retcon Audrey, who killed something between 8-12 people. Dodgson killed at least 10 people with an experimental rabies vaccine (actually a virus for all intent and purpose). His relationship with his henchman Howard King can be described as how Jill and Charlie's relationship could be if both were mature men with strictly business partnership. I-Rex is a dinosaur Masterface (bulletproof armor/vest, hating the sibling for being born, corrupting others, executing their parental figures, speaking with different voices and so on). On the heroes section, you have Sarah Harding (very similar to Sidney, including hurting people who aren't evil, but less heroic), Roland Tembo (the responsible adult that not every serial killer can take down), Ian Malcolm (snarky like Gale, evolving into a better hero like Sidney and ultimately right about everything), Owen Grady (a male Sidney who lost 75% of his raptor "daughters" and constantly facing evil mentors), Blue (the last raptor, who lost her three siblings to a Roman-saurus and constantly facing psychopaths/psychotics), Robert Muldoon (Alice Hardy and Dewey in the same character) and Eddie Carr (Dewey minus the unnatural luck).
4. Jamal is vigilante, but I wouldn't call him "Judgefact". If we assume he's a bad man, then Debbie stays the lesser evil of her franchise. Even attempting to kill Liv's father to frame Marcus is something my own brother is willing to do. Killing Latavious aside, Jamal never did anything my own brother wouldn't do/hadn't done already :-(. Jamal might be a bad person, but there are still some MIG who killed innocents/involved in innocents' deaths. Clyde Shelton blew up some innocent people because he thought they have something to do with his tormentors (he's a psychopath because he was content with the concept). Daenerys burned many people and practically destroyed Lannister house when she came to Westeros. Nick Van Owen released the dinosaurs, and more importantly, emptied Tembo's gun from live ammo. If you consider Marlene from "The Last of Us" as MIG, then you have an MIG who tried to kill a minor for a non-certain cure.
1. I don't mean to be rude, but Scream Noir and Scream Noir 2 are full of grammatical errors. It's especially jarring when it comes from one of the characters. The show and movies take place in a different time period.
2. I mean, you could look, but I don't think you'd find it.
3. I don't deny that, but I haven't gotten to the JP franchise yet.
4. No, he's Harlemface. Debbie's a bad man..err woman, too. She killed Randy and worked with a psycho who killed a bunch of innocents. You can't really compare Clyde with Jamal. Clyde's way more tragic and killed bad people. The same people who failed him and allowed the man who killed his family to walk free.
5. Did you know that Law Abiding Citizen was originally gonna end with Clyde getting the last laugh?
6. Who are your favorite movie killers? If you use a killer that takes up an alias, please use the alias instead. I don't want spoilers. Example: So, like this. Urban Legend Killer.