RK50

The reason you were blocked is continuing to edit war over William Afton's status as Deceased or Presumed Deceased despite it already being agreed upon by the admins and several warnings you got.

1 - Martha Wayne

2 - Issac

3 - Krueger

"The Chosen One and Dark Lord caused mass destruction online, but they haven't caused any genocide or cataclysm."

Still, it's implied the two did a lot of murdering, looking at the screams and the final picture, with TDL choking the Tankman.

"The scene where the Chosen One is envisioning the Dark Lord with its ViraBot army is it thinking about what will occur if the Dark Lord succeeds with ViraBot. These things have not happened yet."

Yeah, but TCO had sticks getting killed in his thoughts for a reason. Maybe he knew TDL would go this far?

"Additionally, as the shorts are still ongoing, we don't know if the Chosen One is the main protagonist or if that role is staying with the Second Coming. We need to wait and see."

2 out of 3 episodes revolve around TCO. Plus, it's already revealed that Episode 4 will most likely focus on his beating the shit out of TDL.

"Third, the Second Coming is NOT the Chosen One. He has the same abilities and is more or less a reincarnation, but because the Chosen One is still alive, they are two different characters."

They are still connected. Plus, TCO making TDL join him is the reason why Computer 1 exploded, leading to Alan getting Computer 2, which would eventually lead to the Second Coming's creation.

Also, I have a theory about the Second Coming, and how it was supposed to foreshadow The Chosen One returning, and possibly redeeming itself (the story goes in this direction), and not outright be a reborn Chosen One, but that's irrelevant and wanted to share it.

Right. But we don’t know all the details yet; we need to wait. There hasn’t been any genocide YET. It could happen, and we could list ATTEMPTED genocide as crimes, but it hasn’t happened yet. And we just need to wait to see if TCO is the true main protagonist. So let’s just wait until we have more detail.

Ok. But you can't really deny that mass murder is heavily implied by the last two images, especially by the Newgrounds one. I mean, a rabbit-thing just lays there lifeless.

Well, what makes me reluctant to put murder is that

1. All of the victims are AI, so they’re not really alive

2. AvA has a habit that all of its “dead” characters are brought back as soon as the computer/website is fixed. Because of this, it’s hard to determine the fallout of the rampages through the internet, as most if not all of those who were “killed” were likely just reloaded. (Like we see happen to YouTube).

Yeah,I guess. But even if they were brought back, he murdered them at least once. A similiar situation to William Afton - They both murdered some people, they just came back.

That’s true. Though I still don’t if we should call it murder if the programs aren’t alive. It’s malicious programming attacking online data; it’s more hacking than murder.

And also, that map in TDL’s room is where it PLANS to send ViraBot. So far it’s only made one and tested it on the Animator’s computer.

Many, if not all programs, have moral agency, and have as much emotions as humans, best seen with the Second Coming.

Yeah, I guess that's fair. They're sentient, so I guess mass murder would pass.

btw, do you think The Dark Lord and the Killer Bunny are PE?

No for the Killer Bunny; offscreen villainy and too enigmatic.

The Dark Lord... maybe? It hasn’t done enough to pass the heinous standard yet, but if it gets worse in future installments, an argument could be made for its qualification.

I mean, he commited mass murder, destroyed worlds, created a virus that could destroy almost everything, so yeah.

so he could be a Pure Evil, but first it has to be approved, right.

Yeah. Plus, his story isn't finished yet, so we'll need to wait.

A theory I have to tell you is that the Lord will probably be the one to start the fight because now he will want revenge for the Chosen One for thwarting his plans, in addition, the Dark Lord will probably try to attack the five and Chosen One needs to protect them, as soon as the fourth episode is released, we will see and you will find out if it is Pure Evil or not.

The Chosen One obviously came after him, so he could also start the fight,

Also, at one point during the sneak-peak, the Chosen One is more pissed than ever. Maybe something related to the Second Coming? TSC is basically his son at this point, being marked at "The Chosen One's Return"

when CO and SC interacted, SC bowed because CO was so brave and that last one was always but SC wanted to follow him, what will be his reaction to discovering SC?

The Chosen One saw TSC, ut probably didn't knew that he's related to him. I honestly don't know how he'll react to TSC being related to him, as the closest we have to a family are the Fighting Stick Figures, and they aren't always friendly.

after the fourth episode is released, we’ll talk again here, right.

Yes.

Sorry to barge in on this conversation but I do really want to say this but isn't every character in Animator Vs. Animation either Made of Evil or Made of Good, except for the Animator himself, since they are all creations of the Animator and The Dark Lord was created specifically to be evil. There may be something I am missing since I am not super familiar with the series but I just thought I would bring it.

only Victim and Chosen One were created to be evil, Dark Lord was only created to defeat Chosen One and Second Coming was not created to come to life.

Ok thanks for clarfying

"He's only running the evil casino and following the Devil's orders. His motivations never go beyond loyalty for his boss."

We have seen them actually talk to eachother once. I don't think that's really enough.

"If a comedic villain commits horrific crimes that are taken seriously, they can qualify as Pure Evil."

Wait, really?

"Both of them are robots created to kill, and their personalities are defined by their programming, nothing more. (Plus, Bon-Bon is the saner one who soothes Freddy.) As psychotic as Funtime Freddy is, he has no moral agency since he is programmed to be an entertainer who does not understand that he is killing people."

Funtime Freddy has a moral agency, he's just not as aware as Ballora and Baby.

"Although he cares about Tiffany, it doesn't improve his own morality nor make any part of him sympathetic."

No matter what, if a villain actually cares/loves someone, and it isn't being perverted/obsessed, they can't qualify.

"Like Chucky, caring about his AI creation Cliffford doesn't make him a better person nor excuse his crimes, and he created him in the first place to exterminate humanity."

Same thing as Chucky/

"What would he do with Cliffford if he got his way?"

Cliffford actually turns against him at one point, and Avon started calling him "sir" and basically couldn't do nothing.

"I created his page in the first place to elaborate on his influence towards his gang, The Legion, but as much as I consider him to be unsympathetic and evil, Frank is only a manipulator and psychopath at his worst, and he fails the heinous standards as The Clown and The Doctor are more openly sadistic, depraved and had a higher kill count than him prior to joining The Entity."

Yeah, I guess you're right here, I need to think about this.

"Sure, he did massacre the internet to the point where the Chosen One was shocked by his crimes, but it pales compared to the Animator torturing and enslaving stick figures."

There's a difference between torture/slavery and outright mass murder and world-destroying. Which is worse?

"I see him as more of a tragic villain since he went mad upon realizing that the Animator is apathetic towards his own creations (prior to his epiphany and redemption through the Second Coming and his friends), and wanted revenge on him first and foremost"

He's far past it, it's no excuse for slaughtering your own kind.

"As intelligent as it is, it's an animal (technically a Minecraft mob) who just wants to hunt for prey, even if it is a cannibal. It has no other personality traits besides its obsession with meat."

TBH, yeah, but he shows moral agency and isn't a Generic Doomsday Villain.

Alright, I apologise for my claims about Dark Lord, I remember when I listed his crimes as a Moral Event Horizon back on TV Tropes, saying it doesn't justify how he killed other stick figures. I just let my own "wrong because I just feel it" bias get the better of me and I am genuinely sorry about that. So now I agree that the Dark Lord has a spot, but he needs a bit more screen time in the future to cement his status.

Let's reassess. King Dice is not Pure Evil because his main motivation is to gain the contracts of the renegade debtors, under his master's orders. He doesn't kill anyone, he doesn't torture anyone, he only gets Cuphead and Mugman to get the contracts back.

Funtime Freddy is also not PE since being a delusional and psychotic killer is literally what he, as a robot, was created to do by William Afton. Freddy is like Auto from Wall-E, who doesn't understand human morality and only does what he is programmed to do, while his creator William is fully aware that he's killing, and he does so in order to perform experiments on souls. In short, Freddy fails the heinous standard compared to William Afton.

The Killer Bunny is a sophisticated and intelligent trickster who hides his cannibalism, but he's no sadist or torturer, he's just a very smart predator. Plus since it's now agreed that the Dark Lord is Pure Evil, the Killer Bunny fails at the heinous standards since other villains are more destructive and homicidal than him.

"I remember when I listed his crimes as a Moral Event Horizon back on TV Tropes"

I'm actually the guy who edited them a few days ago.

"So now I agree that the Dark Lord has a spot, but he needs a bit more screen time in the future to cement his status."

Thankfully, he's returning in the next video, or at least the next AvA Short.

"Let's reassess. King Dice is not Pure Evil because his main motivation is to gain the contracts of the renegade debtors, under his master's orders. He doesn't kill anyone, he doesn't torture anyone, he only gets Cuphead and Mugman to get the contracts back."

Okay, I see your point. I still think he's worse than the Devil, the Devil is generic.

"Funtime Freddy is also not PE since being a delusional and psychotic killer is literally what he, as a robot, was created to do by William Afton. Freddy is like Auto from Wall-E, who doesn't understand human morality and only does what he is programmed to do, while his creator William is fully aware that he's killing, and he does so in order to perform experiments on souls. In short, Freddy fails the heinous standard compared to William Afton."

AI that was created to be evil can be PE if they have a moral agency, lack redeeming qualities and stand out on their own. FunFred does everything listed, and is arguably worse than Glitchtrap if Glitchy isn't Afton 3.

"The Killer Bunny is a sophisticated and intelligent trickster who hides his cannibalism, but he's no sadist or torturer, he's just a very smart predator. Plus since it's now agreed that the Dark Lord is Pure Evil, the Killer Bunny fails at the heinous standards since other villains are more destructive and homicidal than him."

He's arguably the second worse, as most are parodies, have redeeming qualities, or don't do enough. The Killer Bunny possibly wanted to destroy the entire world he lives in just to get rid of the Second Coming.

There was a post on Reddit, showing "Springtrap" is one of the most used words in Bunny Call. I'll try to find it.

K.

don't replay with "K" either, take warnings seriously or be blocked.

Yeah, I do. That robot from Freddy in Space 2.

he is one of the most evil (at least the second most evil) of the fnaf or not.

Nah, far from that. He is actually pretty goofy. I would call Circus Baby the second most evil.

but Baby tried to help her own brother (she kidnapped him just to protect him), she told her brother "you are not going to die" and besides, she gave the kids cupcakes to cheer them up.

although Baby killed his own creator in Fnaf world, L.O.L.Z.H.A.X also tried to kill his own creator, L.O.L.Z.H.A.X created monsters but Baby no, in addition, L.O.L.Z.H.A.X was actually created to be good (Baby really was created to be evil) but for an unknown reason, L.O.L.Z.H.A.X fell to evil.

"but Baby tried to help her own brother (she kidnapped him just to protect him)"

She "helps" him so Michael will trust her, thanks to which manipulating him will be easier.

"she told her brother "you are not going to die"

Beacuse she knew Michael will survive thanks to the Remnant that will be injected.

"and besides, she gave the kids cupcakes to cheer them up"

That was before she became possesed. And even then, she is supposed to act normal when there is a bunch of kids around.

Baby is manipulative, bossy, and able to kill her own brother.

LolzHax is too goofy to be so evil.

you know who is more evil (I know why it's easy).

Nightmare is one of the darkest villains in the fnaf or not, if so, why?

He is amoral and in the Grey Zone, so I'm not really sure.