So sad to hear it :-(. I had my own depression phases, so I feel your pain. I won't force you to be specific about anything you doesn't feel comfortable about, but who are those people who said nihilistic bullshit? Do they have a purpose of existence?
I honestly don't remember their names, it's just that people are being too negative, not to mention that i'm using internet a bit too much, maybe it would be good for me to use it a bit less. Thanks anyway :)
Also: When depression attacks you, kick it in the balls.
1. A rule of thumb about the internet says that commenting after up to two days is quick, between 3 days and two weeks is average, and above two weeks is a temporary drift until one of the sides will have something to say. Life is busy, and i'm sure you'll find the internet time that's best for you. Now, I don't wanna sound like the toxic people you met, but are you capable to get back to life? Talking about topics, insights and such?
2. Technically you're right, but the people who driven me to depression have no balls. Some are technically men, but no balls involved. Know what I mean?
Hi. I hope you're doing well. I hope this doesn't seem too random or out of the blue, but if you have at least 15 minutes of spare time, could you please vote on my PE proposal for Izamura? The work he's from is an anime film called Patema Inverted. Normally, I don't go out of my way to ask people to vote, because I want them to vote on their own accord and out of their own interest. However, in this case, barely anyone else here seems to be familar with this movie or character, because even after being up for 3 days, it still only has 1 vote as of the time of this writing, which isn't enough for a consensus, and I'm getting worried that there won't be one at this rate. Therefore, I've decided that after waiting patiently to no avail, I need to at least try going around asking several different people if they can vote since it might be the only way for my proposal to not be ignored and get a real verdict. If for some reason you really don't want to or can't, I'll understand, but if you can help me out, I'd really appreciate it, and I hope you find it to be worth your time.
Hi there, I just saw your reply. Oh, you actually wanted me to vote? Sorry, I wasn't aware that's what you wanted. I'll see about possibly doing that. As for what my favorite anime is? Honestly, I don't think I can narrow it down to just one since their are quite a number of them that stick out to me for different reasons. In fact, you can simply view the anime section of my user page to see which ones I really like to some degree or another, but with that being stated, I'll try to narrow down to my very favorites; Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, Naruto and some of the Studio Ghibli films will always have a special place in my heart due to introducing me to a medium and how great it could potentially be, and as for ones that I've seen more recently in the last few years since I really starting to get into it, here are some others that really stand out as great for some reason or another; Spice and Wolf, Mushishi, Haibane Renmei, Cowboy Bebop, Ouran, the Clannad series (especially the second season, After Story), Princess Tutu, Moribito: Guardian of the Spirit, Madoka Magica, Paranoia Agent, Shinsekai Yori/From the New World, Hyouka and The Ancient Magus' Bride. Sorry that that's about as much as I can narrow it down, but again, all of these are fantastic in their own way in my opinion.
As for Joker 2019, I'm definitely not the user to ask since I have more conservative standards, and therefore, watch very few R-rated movies, with the very odd exception like Mad Max: Fury Road. So unsurprisingly, Joker is another film I have no plans on seeing. That said, I can comment that even without it seeing it, it falls firmly into the category of something I can respect, but not necessarily like. In other words, I think it's a very bold film for using a famous comic book villain to tell a powerful story of how much we shouldn't neglect those with mental disorders, rather, we sould try our best to sympathize with and even help them if possible. That, and how some people in general are really shaped by their societies, especially if they're treated poorly enough. Of course, beyond knowing that Joaquin Phoenix's performance is widely considered to be excellent, I can't really comment on how well done or mediocre the rest of the film is. All I know is it's a very dark and depressing film with little to nothing that's pleasant to watch, let alone uplifting, so perhaps one's overall feelings about it depend on how much they can accept something that's at least relatively well done artistically, but filled with a lot of ugliness and very decidely not entertaining in the typical sense? I could be more specific if I saw it, but I honestly don't think I can bring myself to thanks to the graphic violence, some strong language, the almost entirely unsympathetic cast of characters, etc.
Okay, I'll look into that even if haven't seen those movies (I'm not really into horror movies in general). Oh, and by the way, I did read that "Villains Rap Battle" of yours this morning, and it was really funny, as well as plain fun to read! Unfortunately though, I don't honestly think I can decide between the two villainesses featured in it. For one thing, I'm not really familiar with either of them or their respective works at all, and even if I'm going by their made up raps/disses, it's hard to pick a favorite due to finding both of their lines pretty amusing. Regardless, it put a smile on my face, so thanks for referring me to it. I'm just sorry I can't be of more help.
His main competition comes from Naraku and Hakudoshi. These two are worse, but they also have more resources. Compare to his resources, Taigo did some screwed-up things, namely killing his own son with glee just for not approving his wife and keeping his daughter in law alive just for carrying out his legacy. The proposal itself doesn't have the best structure, but when I checked up about Taigo, I remembered again why he's labeled as pure evil.
1. "Naruto" sounds cool, but I never got too deep into it. I can discuss it with you whenever you like and fill the gaps with my common sense though. Same goes for the rest of the anime you mentioned, which many of them aren't expertise field. "Dragon Ball" universe can be cool at times, but the DBZ segment lost its purpose at the very minute Goku gave Cell the healing beans just to see who's more powerful. And the part in DBS where Goku let his guard off in the middle of a fight with Frieza, surrounded with henchmen who wished him all the harm in the universe, was idiocy from the kind you have to see to believe. Vegeta had to do Goku's whole point of existence instead of him. I must say I saw it coming years ago, but I wanted it to happen for legit reasons, not because Goku betrayed his life purpose.
2. "I can comment that even without it seeing it, it falls firmly into the category of something I can respect, but not necessarily like". How poetic :-). Maybe this good movie could be better with another tragic villain as the protagonist. Joker isn't the first pick for a villain to sympathize. The good people could write him as a Koba, and show that society made him pure evil, just like the aforementioned Joker ape. By "almost entirely unsympathetic cast", you mean that they were just mean to everyone without any entertaining value, or mostly one-dimensional hate sinks? It's important to say that some settings have a really unsympathetic cast as a whole, yet not all of them are villains/meant to be hated.
I'll check that proposal out, thanks. I don't know if my opinion would be super relevant since I only watched the first two seasons of Inuyasha, and therefore, I didn't see the episodes featuring this character. Plus aside from Naraku and what he does, I'm not sure exactly how high or low the bar is set by other comparably more minor antagonists. Most of the ones I saw weren't that bad, but there were at least one or two that stood out as pretty bad in their own right like Gatenmaru and Goshinki. I guess if the proposal isn't informative enough, I can just go by how Taigo compares to the other antagonists I've seen. As for discussing anime, if there's anything in particular you want to ask me about any of those series I like, go right ahead, and I'll happily answer the best that I can and when I can.
As for your question about what I said concerning that the Joker movie has an "almost entirely unsympathetic cast", what I meant was that, quite simply, going by what I know, most of them just don't seem like likeable or decent people in the slightest, and therefore, not the kinds of characters I can bring myself to sympathize or care about. And frankly, it doesn't matter how good a movie or show is otherwise; if I don't care about any of the characters, then I feel a sense of disconnection from the whole thing, because it doesn't really matters to me what happens to any of them. The way I see it, they're not the type of people I'd associate with in real life, especially in cases like this where they just don't seem like good people by any reasonable standard, so why should I be watching a film about them?
And honestly, the problem for me isn't that they tried to put a sympathetic take on a villain like the Joker; it's just that, obviously, he's still not going to be entirely sympathetic since, regardless of what lead him to that point, he still descends into becoming a homicidal lunatic, but then you also have a bunch of characters who mostly just contribute in their own small ways to making him snap rather than making any honest effort to help him. In general, it just seems like one of those movies that's too focused on the ugly side of society and doesn't bother even trying to show any real kindness or goodness from anyone. And as films like Schindler's List prove, it's very much possible to include good people and the positive side of humanity in dark, unpleasant stories that are hard to swallow, which at least gives you something to truly hold onto.
You write your vote on the comment section. Each episode you choose the contester you vote for. In this episode, it's either Sylvi or Piper. You need to mention your reason. Votes like "Sylvi"/"Piper" without a specific reason won't be counted.
"Middle Earth" universe is epic. Check it out when you have the time. Now, I have a theory about HTTYD dragons:
The dragons in HTTYD universe are all descendants of dinosaurs. First thing you see is the fact many dragons are looking more like dinosaurs than like dragons. Toothless, for example, was clearly evolved from microraptor. His wings structure (2 big wings on the sides, two little wings near the back legs and another two wings on in tail for balance), similarity to crows (people say it's like a dog/cat, but most of all, i see it as a giant crow with some dog and cat merged into it), arguably the most intelligent flying creature in the setting (unless you count Muddy Bewilderbeast as more intelligent due to being able to take over other dragons with more than just brute force) and talent to learn things are all leads to his ancestor. The Red Death must be evolved from ceratosaurus. Both have that bump in the nose (in ceratosaurus case, it was probably more bump than horn). And there's the slasher smile. The exact same slasher smile of the giant ceratosaurus from "Carnivores" series. You saw this creature see side-wise better than front-wise. That's a common trait among jurassic predators. Muddy Bewilderbeast is ceratopsian. Most likely a triceratops. The monstrous nightmare evolved from albertosaurus (narrow skull, serious bite force, every non-colossal dragon afraid of this creature). The deadly nadder evolved either from ceratosaurus or from one of the smaller dromaeosaurs. With the other dragons, look at them long enough and you might have your speculation about which dinosaur was their ansector.
At least 10 people at the same time. Kevin Khatchadourian is a mass murderer for killing 12 people, 10 if them are his classmates at the same killing spree. It's kinda complicated, but as far as I know, non of the killers in "Scream" is a mass murderer. Not even Kieran.
Well, i was going to ask you about the Heroes Rap Battles that you have made, and i would like to know, will you do some about Villains too? because i would personally like to do some myself, but i'm not pretty good with rhymes.
Also, sorry about that, i hope that you can find a good job.
Thanks for both. Now, I do plan on making a villains rap battle season. Here are the important points:
A. There will be 7 judges, each one for each sin. Right now i'm thinking about Frollo for Lust, Sofia Lamb for Pride, Pamela Voorhees for wrath, Dennis Nedry for gluttony, Joffrey for Sloth, Naraku for envy and James Moriarty for greed.
B. The audience can vote for every reason they like, but they have to use a relevant reason and respect other people's reasons.
C. The usual rules about basic manners, using bad words only toward the characters (not toward other users) and such.
If you like, you can upload the blog post, and i'll write the lines for each contester. The first episode will be dedicated to Thanos vs King Ghidorah. I promises to a pen-mate.
1. It might take a while. Hopefully tomorrow or something. Tell me more about Yuuki.
2. Some of the judges might be contesters of some episodes, so I'll use some replacement judges. Any idea for replacement judges? The judges can come from many settings, but have to be human/humanoid. They can be animals, but an animal judge should have a human alter-ego (examples: Andrew Lockwood, Sherman Creed).
Cool new profile :-). Hope you'll like episode 2 as well. Also, are you familiar with "The Big Bang Theory" and "Scream"? Because I have a theory that these settings are on the same universe, and it takes knowledge about at least one of the said settings.
A. Mary Cooper and Debbie Loomis are twins. Not just because their actresses is related (both are portrayed by Laurie Metcalf. Mary's younger version was played by Metcalf's daughter). They have a somewhat similar personality. Both have violent and condescending tendencies. Debbie is a killer. Mary kept her husband's head down for at least 20 years (she's the reason he was depressed for the last 20 years of his life, until dying at the street corner out of alcohol poisoning), physically abused him for 7 months after Sheldon and Missy were born. It's beyond post-labor depression. It's beating her husband whenever she felt like it. He's a freaking saint/doormat for not running away. She dehumanized him completely and told everybody he's a violent drunk, all because he cheated on her, which she brought on herself with her uncaring and lunatic treatment to him. Both twins also have a problem of parental neglection, as Debbie lost it after Hank cheated on her and left Billy behind, and Mary loved only Sheldon. She's basically a woman who loved only a third of her children. It's jarring because she chose Sheldon and looked down on her truly good son, disregarding him as "dumb as soup". The poor man kept his whole family alive for a couple of years after his father died (as a practical result, George Junior raised his own mother), built himself from scratch to a successful tires company owner, but his ungrateful mother have the nerve to look down on him and not talking with him at all despite being on the same wedding because she doesn't like his wife. Just like Debbie's "Randy talked poorly on Billy and I got a little knife happy" moment, Mary is insult happy toward George's wife, whom she refer in bad words with C in them. Billy chose his mother over his girlfriend, and Mary was upset that George Junior didn't do the same.
B. Debbie have a child who lacks effective empathy (Billy is a psychopath) and Mary have a child who lacks cognitive empathy (Sheldon is Asperger). Mary's overly motherly behavior is reaction formation for throwing the 9 year old Sheldon in high school because she wanted to kick him out of the house as quickly as possible instead of dealing with him. She tried to abandoned an Asperger boy. There's no other logical way to explain why a young child finishes high school before 12 and getting into college before 15. Debbie's form of reaction formation the reason she came back to her senses after realizing her son's death is partly her fault.
C. George is played by Jerry O'Connell, who also played Derek Feldman. He met Sidney Prescott, who left Woodsboro a long time ago for a having a quiet life, and they got married. George wanted a brave woman who can release him from his neglecting and ungrateful mother's grasp. Sidney see George as Derek's second chance in life. Both wanted a strong person who can hug them and heal their scars. As Mary and Debbie Loomis are twins and genetically programed to hate girls who looks like Neve Campbell, Mary hates her both because of her own genetic programing and for killing her twin. A thickheaded Texan like Mary cannot stand the fact that Sidney will never bring her any grandchildren, and assumingly doesn't care that Sidney lost her womb after being almost murdered by her own cousin.
Weird. Both erasing the two psychopaths from PE category and replacing Hannah Baker with Ani. Hannah was a great victim. It's a miracle that Clay never killed her tormentors. If he wasn't a final boy, he could be a vigilante serial killer. I wonder what Looper thinks about it. He and Donald Newton from "Scream" wiki are the biggest experts about 13RW I know.
If you don’t mind me joining in this conversation, I really hate what they did with Monty’s character. He had the perfect build up as a threatening villain, only to die a very random “Alas, Poor Villain” death simply for the sake of it and get some very forced scenes of sympathy.
As for Bryce, I’m honestly feeling mixed about it. Don’t get me wrong, I strongly disapprove of the the way they took a clearly remorseless psychopath and tossed in an onslaught of redeeming qualities out of nowhere, but the way they portrayed it was still very smooth and convincing, and I actually ended up slightly feeling sympathy for him.
Still, both of these character arcs are pretty forced. I mean, they’re rapists.
While I always suspected that Monty is gay, they didn’t have to play that for sympathy. Plus, his relationship with what was that guy’s name again?? Winston was probably the most random redeeming quality I can think of.
Okay look, Audrey is NOT a psychopath, she still has care for certain people, showed remourse for her actions and was pushed to villainy through insecurities. Furthermore she's not a fallen hero as she has always been a morally sketchy character and has been villainous in nearly every single instalment she was featured in
i dropped the editing stuff, but I can still explain myself in this thread, right? And if we'll have a friendly conversation, do you prefer it here, or on a new thread? Keep in mind that if we start a new thread, the current thread should be erased.
Before other topics (BOT): Don't worry about lack of time :-). Life are busy. A rule of thumb says that commenting faster than once in a month is a legit rate. Fast responses is always nice, but my communication pattern is talking whenever both of us are in the mood. One leave a message, and the other leave a message when he/she like, and so on.
1. I promised you I won't add Audrey to the psychopaths list. But she is a one-woman army. As fragile as she was (sorcerers are usually more fragile than other fantasy characters. Justified in Audrey's case, because she's a petite girl), you must give credit to someone who enchanted a whole kingdom and almost defeated an over-powered dragon princess all by herself. Even if her powers are all from the wand, the trick about powers is not only the power itself. It's also about how to use it, and Audrey used it literally like a charm. To further put her powers into perspective: Mal knocked sense into her own mother, the woman who used to announce herself as "the mistress of all evil" (before "Maleficent" revealed that she was actually a forced mistress for the true evil).
2. I like her as a villain, but I fail to see her tragedy. It's not easy to watch another person take your love interest and position you were suppose to inherit, but that's still not a legit tragedy. She hated Mal for reasons Mal had no control over. Mal herself was a legit hero even when she was technically a villain, let alone she knocked sense into her own mother. Audrey should thank her for that. People are leaving their lovers all the time, and most of us move on. Even the part where "Mal stole her future" is mute. Future cannot be stolen. Future is not a possession. It's an horizon. Future is created, not given. Audrey could be anything in the world and people would've respect her either way. What makes her a great villain also make her a petty and nasty piece of work. A personal confession: I've been through a lot worse than Audrey did (I assume you've been through a lot worse too), but the closest thing I ever came to what she did was to lash out on a condescending jerk who used his dead father as an excuse. She's a great villain and her motive make sense, but it doesn't give her my sympathy.
3. Are you also into other Disney franchises? If so, do you dislike the live-action remake for TLK as far as most mankind does?
1. I see your point with that but I still disagree since I usually see one man armies as needing to have at least some physical dominance take Zevon for example from the same franchise who is pretty physically able as well as mentally competent and with a great deal of potions, tricks and trinkets up his sleeve to get him a leg up in battle on top of his magical abilties granted to him by Jafar's staff and the Birth right jewels.
To each their own I suppose however.
2. The reason Audrey is tragic is because she's something called a woobie; in the first movie her boyfriend breaks up with on the spot in a pretty humilating fashion thanks to be under the influence of a love potion, in Wicked World all she wants to do is make the two parties that take place in each season big successes and everything constantly goes wrong with her (she gets her dresses ruined, the events are always crashed and she reaches her boiling point of stress constantly and every time it always seems like Mal is the wrong responsible when in fact it turns out that an external source was framing Mal something Audrey winded up feeling remourse for when she accused her out of anger), on top of this she also gets turned into a duck, insulted, threatened and attacked by a group of enchanted puppets all in the same story. Finally in Descendants 3 she's overcame by her own insecurities more than anything and feels like the whole world is against her when all she ever wanted to do was make things right spiralling her into villainy.
That's why she's under tragic.
3. Yeah I am actually a big fan of many disney properties and they're my second favourite film studio out of the big 6. Touchstone Pictures is also my favourite studio in general and many of my favourite films are disney releases. And I don't like any of the live action remakes tbh the only one I even somewhat tolerated was Dumbo.
1. That's the usual case. However, masterminds with magic powers can be fragile and still count. Zevon could've been a one-man army even if his physical condition was as average as ours. You won't be offended if i'll add her to this category, despite not agreeing, right?
2. I know she's tragic. Just saying she doesn't have my sympathy. I also don't like her being perpetually irritable for peanuts. I respect her for being entertaining, making me want to watch the whole movie just for her song and for her redemption, but I don't sympathize her. Maybe it's just me, but there many technically tragic villains who doesn't have my sympathy. Some have my sympathy. Some doesn't.
3. Not familiar with Touchstone Pictures. Which movies do they have? Also, I have some theories about some of Disney's villains:
A. Jafar: I have a theory that Jaffer killed the sultan's wife. The sultan wasn't the sharpest knife out there, but Agraba still existed without too much troubles. That means someone else ran the kingdom, most likely his dead wife. He was very specific about missing her. Jafar planned to overthrow his boss for who know how long. Every traitorous advisor knows that the best way to mislead the king is to became the main, if not only, person who influencing the shots. A psychopath like Jafar would go any distance to make sure the sultan will listen to him. If it takes to kill the queen, who was more powerful than Jafar's charisma, that's what Jafar would do. Randall Flagg already murdered the queen in "The Eyes Of The Dragon". Evil advisors think alike. The queen died long enough for her husband to still miss her. Assuming she was healthy, everything leads us to Jafar.
B. Shere Khan's 2016 version: He was very similar to Scar (both tried to kill a child, both are dictators of their respective settings, both are dreaded psychopaths, both commited political murders, both are big cats, both have a scar in one eye, both cant go out with any normal female of their species, both are racists). Given their many similarities and the fact tigers are solitary and teritorial creatures, it's very likely that Shere Khan killed his sibling, just like scar did.
C. Facilier's origins: Just like Jafar, Facilier grew up in poverty and craved for power most of his life. However, unlike Jafar, he was diabolical enough to consider killing his own parents. Part of his reason to feel that way might be not being belong to either side of society. His purple eyes indicate he's bi-racial, which used to get people "too white for being black and too black for being white". If his statement "i'm royal myself on my mother's side" is to be believed, i'm getting a theory that Facilier's mother was a white high society woman. She either dumped him and his black father, or (if the shrunken head is anything beyond cheep chuckles) got murdered. I know for sure Facilier is hooked on drugs. I have reasons to speculate at least one of his parents was also an addict (his mother on cocaine, his father on crack). Facilier's father might have been a cruel and abusing man. I'm not sympathize Facilier here. Just saying that maybe the beating from his father did nothing good to his head. If we assume Facilier's parents were killed, do you think Facilier killed them with his bare hands, or payed to his friends on the other side?
D. Frollo: Monsters are created more often than born, so Frollo must've been through hell before becoming what he is. You know what priests do to little kids. So it's very likely that Frollo was raped in his childhood, as evidenced in the "Hellfire" sequence. As if the red capes weren't ominous enough, the shadows closing on him while he say "god have mercy on me" have a strong subtext of rape. Years later, Frollo became a soldier, but was dropped out due to over-aggression. Only a former soldier who was deemed too aggressive for his commanders can have a peak-human fitness and high martial intelligence even in his 60s.
E. Commander Rourke: We already know he was kicked out of a military school for over-aggression. His contempt to Milo and other intellectual things, not to mention how much the part where he trashed Milo is like a bully mauling a nerd, might indicate that Milo reminds him of the his school staff. "Those fancy liberal professors look down on me? Am i too aggressive for these delicate flowers? Well then! I wanna see their faces when i'll take over Atlantis!".
1. Yeah sure I don't see why a character can't be both a weakling and a one man army I mean there's no real rule against that I don't think.
2. Yeah I get that not all tragic villains need to be sympathetic but I do know some people who find Audrey to be so that's why I added it.
3. They've done Who Framed Roger Rabbit, Unbreakable, The Hitchhiker's Guide to The Galaxy, Pretty Woman, Splash!, The Nightmare Before Christmas and several others.
A. Yes that works and it explains Jasmine's estranged relationship with her dad and overall solitary position. She's also never liked Jafar and is much smarter than her old man so I can see her probably being suspicious of him.
B. Probably considering biology as well as Shere Khan's ruthlessness.
C. I would say Facilier definetely has bi-racial attributes about his appearance and if he is an addict the only thing likely I can think of that he's on is heroin. He has the same physique almost as Mark Renton so that's all I've really got as evidence, and that can go either way I'm guessing. Facilier despite looking pretty soft is capable of killing and I wouldn't put it past a wacko like him to kill his own folks, although it is possible he could've asked the friends after gaining their trust.
D. Yes, you are likely to become who you are raised by sadly especially back in those days. Frollo likely saw nothing out of the ordinary with the way he was raised and views it as the norm however and I would say he does seem to have a great deal of military based knowledge and clearly knows a lot about the law since he is a judge so I could see him being an ex-soldier.
E. Yeah he does seem like the Tom Buchanan type valuing knowlege as something less important than cash and being pretty over aggressive to everyone around him.
Btw about Audrey again since she's a coward thanks to how she's perceived in Wicked World unfortunately she can't actually qualify as a one man army according to the rules of the category. This also applied for her being a weakling but I was unaware of it previously. Sorry about the inconvienience.
1. She's a genius narcissists with magic powers who almost killed a dragon princess and took over a whole kingdom. Her cowardice doesn't contradict her status. If this wiki forbid weaklings to be one-person armies, then i'll stop adding her in the future. Her narcissism and ruthlessness can be confusing.
2. As said, you did the right choice. Just saying that she's a great villain who doesn't have my sympathy. Not all tragic villains have my sympathy. As you put Jill Roberts in your "villains I liked" list (a personal confession: She and Roman are my top ghostfaces. Jamal Elliot from season 3 is close behind. Might change it though), you know that Charlie is less sympathetic than TV Tropes think. His immense stupidity aside, I can't feel the pain of people who kill their best friend for a girl. When I come to think of it, Jamal and Debbie are the only killers who had my sympathy, because their tragedy was legit and had the only really good motives. Happen to see "The Final"? So Dane is another tragic psychopath who lost my sympathy. He was lonely and miserable because of people who didn't even bothered knowing his name, but after insisting on killing even the one popular guy who was nice to him and killed one of his own friends because the latter released the black nice guy, my sympathy toward him got burned with gallons of acid.
3. Wait. I do know the name. Just forgot. "Roger Rabbit", "Unbreakable", "The Hitchhiker's Guide to The Galaxy" and "The Nightmare Before Christmas" are cool movies. "Pretty Woman" is both a bad movie and a false advertising. The movie is called "Pretty Woman", but the woman ain't pretty. The only pretty thing about Julia Roberts is her niece Emma.
4A. For Jasmine's offence, she wasn't as smart as her late mother. "When i'll be a queen, I could get rid of you" is the worst thing you can say to a psychopath. That's possibly the mistake Shere Khan's brother did. In your personal opinion, how the live-action "Aladdin" should've looked like? You hate Jaffar both as a villain and as a human being, so I assume you would write him as a male Audrey. Hopefully either more sympathetic or more menacing. I also recommend on developing Iago's character. Aside from being possibly the best henchman in the history of everything, he have a very tragic backstory that sadly many people are forgetting/not understanding.
4B. Maybe his "friends" lured him by heroin, and from that point forward he became a Frollo. It's being ages since I watched "Trainspotting", so interesting hear Renton is a soft version of Facilier. His presence on "Descendants" doesn't make me want to watch the movies other than part 3, but I kinda liked him as a villain. He was the only good thing of "The Princess and The Frog". Not sure if it's because he was a great Expy of Scar, or because Tiana is one of those miserable heroes who leave the villain to carry the whole movie.
4C. Before replying to this topic: Are you capable of participate intelligent discussions about religions and the bible?
4D. From Tom Buchanan's description, I can see I don't like him too much. Rourke is a better villain, if only because Rourke is a man of action, Unlike Buchanan. Why does Buchanan is marked as insecure? I recalled his ego was flying with spaceship engine. Some arrogant villains are vain because they feel inferior. Buchanan doesn't strikes me as the kind of guy.
1. It's the rules of the category apparently I'm afraid there's nothing I can really do.
2. Yes I do like Jil as Ghostface and I wasn't even aware people found Charlie sympathetic in all honesty.
3. Yup that's the studio. I don't mind pretty woman though tbh Richard Gere is just too charming for me to handle.
4A. I just wish the live action Jafar was more menacing I wouldn't mind if his backstory was sympathetic just as long as he wasn't the boring and pathetic dolt we got. And yeah I wasn't a fan of how Iago was handled in the new Aladdin he had much less character and personality.
4B. Possibly, I'm just guessing based on his physique though. And I've never thought of Renton that way however he and Facilier both are what I'd call pre-dated hipsters considering they come from a time before the whole hipster thing of the 21st century but do follow the attritubes of them by rejecting the concepts of modern and ordinary lives.
4C. I'm a heretic but I've read the bible I'm just not very good with discussing it.
4D. I actually think Tom is a more complex and interesting villain than people give him credit for and I found him pretty compelling as a character in all honesty, and the reason he's marked as insecure is because of his growing uncertainty and douchbaggery at the thought of losing both of his romantic loves to two men he saw as inferior to him. He's also gotten slightly out of his prime and is a bit upset people don't remember him for his greatest talents. His ego may be high but when it starts crumbling so does his confidence. He does regain it after finally returning control to his life however.
1+4C. Unlike the bible, this wiki's rules can make sense and never caused any mass destruction. And don't worry. The word "heretic" isn't relevant in this forum :-). I'm an atheist, so you can tell me any doubts regarding religion you have. Now, the part about your ability to discuss about the bible is because of a theory about King David. During life, I came to realize that King David wasn't a benevolent yet flawed king. He was a Frollo. And just like Frollo, I believe David became the way he is due to bad influence from a high religious authority figure. Specifically, Samuel the prophet. He wanted King Saul to be his puppet ruler, but it didn't work, so he tried it again with young David. Unfortunately for Samuel, David learned from the worst, got loose from the strings and became a charismatic psychopath on his own right. Unless we assume he felt genuine regret for having to kill his son Absalom, who was just like David himself when he was younger, then David's only remotely redeeming quality is his love to Bathsheba (even that is up for debate). The main reason most of mankind doesn't understand David is a bad person is because he had a battery of writers who rewrote history.
2. Sidney did. TV Tropes too. I can relate Sidney on that one, because seeing someone being murdered by his lover while hearing he'll be framed as one of the killers is always hard. But TV Tropes are just weird. They actually think he wasn't a hate sink and let his miserable status to fool them he's the lesser evil. Sometimes, I feel like these people doesn't see the same movies we do. They even disregarded Sofia Lamb and Lewis Dodgson as PE, which made them block me for who know how long because I added them. They also use the "woobie destroyer of worlds" trope too easily. tragic isn't always sympathetic, and they should've know it by now.
3. You feel like Richard Gere is a pretty face and nothing more? Funny. That's the same way I feel toward Bar Refaeli.
4A. His backstory wasn't sympathetic. Just came to show us that bad things happen even to bad people, but becoming bad is a matter of choice. What bothers me the most about Jaffar is that he's highly overrated. I mean, yeah. We got it. He's the stereotypical architype of evil advisors. He's a well-written villain, but nowhere near the mythology people made him. In that way, he's even worse (by "worse", I mean "lower quality") than Maleficent, because at least Maleficent turned out to be a miserable woman with actual backbones other than entertainment.
4B. I agree Renton was a hipster before the invention of the word, but I wouldn't Facilier a hipster, even though he did rejected the concepts of modern and ordinary lives. Hipsters are usually medium-to-high class. Facilier is a pander who lived in poverty for most of his life. I wonder if the Loa gods can be argued as hipsters. I know they are literally the underworld, but there must be some criminal hipsters, right?
4D. I know about the film only in parts, so I take your word on that one. But you know which business movie you might like? “Billionaire Boys Club”. It's a ”. It’s a crime/drama film based on the real story of greedy youth who wanted a quick buck.
Edit: I was informed that i'm not allowed to send links from direct watch sites. I was even banned for 24 hours because of that. Unfortunately, since i'm not aloud to use my best link, you'll have to look it over on the internet. But you can always search it in direct watch.
I know you don't want to talk about seasons 1 and 2 anymore, but i have to ask: If all of brandon's alleged kills were a setup, it means he didn't kill anybody. If that's the case, i doubt he's even a villain. If he didn't killed anybody, then the only villainous thing he ever did was bringing Piper to this world. Also, do you have the mail of the showrunners?
Someone have a detailed theory that Dewey was secretly Starface (sheriff star and all). The funny thing is that the video is from only a couple of months ago. I would've argued with the creator, but even funny theories have a place.
1. Manny didn't deserved to die, but his death was great. Heart wrenching and creative, with a good reference to "Scream 3", when Roman blew up Tom's house. It's kinda like with Officer Richard and Will, who had great deaths despite being good people.
2. It was Stu. Billy played dead, stabbed Dewey and waited for Sidney at the house for the final part of his plan.
1. Indeed. But let's separate the killer from the actress. Let's talk about Giorgia Whigham and Emma Roberts. We know you have a thing for Amelia. I see Emma and Giorgia as more pretty. Now, which do you see as more beautiful (appearance-wise)? Giorgia or Emma?
2. Which killers would you like me to add? I think i'll add Gina and Redface.
Emma is more beautiful than Giorgia. But that is not reason I hate Beth more. I hate how she killed some people plus she have more stupid motive. As for your previous question, Beth seemed scary in some scenes as of her reveal. When she shot Marcus and chased Liv.
2. Ok. Will you Please add Redface earlier? When you will have a time to add some pages?
1. I hear you on that one. The part with the axe can scare first timers. But for me, the scarier aspect about her as that she could survive jail. There's something scary about completely heartless psychopaths who can survive jail. And if she reminds you of that girl who spread rumors about you, then I can relate your fear.
2. I'll tell you when I add more pages :-). Redface will be added first, just like you asked. Now, we can both agree Liv could've been a much better killer than Beth. From all of the reasons known to man. If you wrote her as a killer, what motive would you give her?
1. Not only axe but her facial expressions. It is not just spread rumors, she was first making me for 8 months suffer claiming to everyone she is dying while she is fine and like other people suffer for her. Then she used lies when I discovered the truth. She is ugly horrible person. I don't think Nina would treat any man/boy this way. She mainly caused misery to girls. She was Emma's friend and she slept with Will and was part of why Emma first time video existed.
2. Liv would be more surprising as she was nice, cute. It would be kinda Billy Loomis or Kieran Wilcox but Beth was not surprising either. Anyway I'm glad that Liv ultimately survived. Also, who was unknown caller at the end? Killer for S4?
1. This girl sounds like a diabolical sadistic mastermind. From your description, I wish Beth chopped her with an axe. How did you got over her and the damage she did?
2. Agree. I like Liv. She's one of my favorite characters so far. Now, the unknown caller is very likely the killer of season 4. Most likely a white male with unknown motives. I have a crazy idea, but hear me out. 3K wasn't revealed in season 2, but he might be finally revealed in season 4. Even if it will suck, at least we'll have some sort of closure. It might be the unknown character who might be finally known. Any theories?
3. Recently I came to develop a theory regarding Emma's nightmare. Many dreams come from the subconsciousness. Maybe she knew the killer is someone close to her, just not sure who. It means that the reason she didn't suspected Piper is that out all of the people whom she considered close to her, Piper was the least close. She obviously never suspected her mother, so if I had to guess, her suspect was probably one of the popular girls. Maybe Brooke.
1. I won't give you the crap from "you'll go on. It's just phase" type. I can just say that at least you won't see her ever again. If it worth anything, i'm your friend. Many people on other wikis are friends too. Maybe you acquired new friends at your new working place/college. Where are you studying/working right now? Maybe people there can help you through these hard times, for all that's worth.
2. Hope the writers will do it right this time. I mean, they have a literally black gold. No racist pun intended. You gave me another crazy theory. It depends whether Latavious is dead for real or not. If he's secretly alive, maybe Beth took him to a secret place and washed his brain. Something like what Ramsay Bolton did to Theon Greyjoy. If Jamal killed him, then he's dead for real. Of course Ramsay is both more evil and more repulsive than Beth. Just saying she might've done the same, but less brutal.
3. Make sense. Part of Emma always knew Kieran is a killer. She just had to hug someone, so she strangled her suspicions at their sleep. Also, i'll add Redface when i'll have the time, which will take awhile. Do you like me to add him/her as it is, or wait to the reveal?
2. Yes Ramsay was ugly horrible person. I saw the scene where he tortued Theon. But I don't watch Game of Thrones other than that. There are so much violent scenes. Worse than Scream Seasons 1 and 2. That's for sure. For me it is worse than even Scream Movies.
3. You don't want to believe that person who you like is doing these things to you. I can say myself from that experience with this ugly bitch. For now as it is. Thanks. :-D
1. There's someone in this wiki that I believe you'd like to meet: https://villains.fandom.com/wiki/User:Forest_Green_Rovers. Just like you, Forest Green Roberts likes "Final Destination". I wonder if liking part 5 means he also watched "Scream season 3", with Tony Todd playing in both settings.
2. Part of why he's worse than all of "Scream" characters combined is his scale of villainy. Except for Jill (if she survived, she would probably go to politics. If you want to picture how that would look like, think about Sofia Lamb) and Kieran (if he survived, he could become either a cop or something like William Carver), the killers are mostly local and (somewhat) close to home. Did you liked to see him being devoured by his own dogs, or did you wished him to be killed by Sansa/Arya/Baelish?
3. With the exception of Marcus. He always knew Jamal want him dead, or at least ok with seeing him dying.
2. I like it the way it is. I don't like mixing it with Game of Thrones. But speaking of Baelish, I never liked him. I don't like Game of Thrones. It is too much violence. etc. Scream is less violent for me and endings are always good.
3. Yeah well, he knew Jamal was killer when he tried to kill again Liv's father at the hospital, right? Or was that Beth and Marcus just suspected Jamal?
4. Can we agree that Marcus didn't hated Jamal even after his reveal? Unlike Sidney hated Jill since Jill was a monster.
1. That's what friends are for :-). Now, here's a heads up: One of my future plans is to create the pages for Hook Man and Haley Meyers, and proposing Hook Man as pure evil. I know he's no worse than the other 5 devils, but killing a child and doing a cynical use of PTSD for fooling the brother of the said child is just low enough to be count.
2. The scary part is that Baelish is one of the lesser evil of his franchise. I'll try my best not to over-talk about GOT with you, but I have one last question before dropping it to as long as I can: Which "Scream" character did Baelish reminds you off?
3. I'll have to watch it again, but it was probably Beth, since she was there to burn the poor officer. Either way, I know Marcus already knew by the time Jamal almost killed Liv's father. He did the math and asked himself "who hates me enough to frame me at the death of a cop?". From that point onward, he probably asked himself who Jamal's partner was.
4. Roman and Piper were monsters too, yet Sidney and Emma never came to hate them. I guess vileness and the final girl/guy's opinion doesn't always overlap. Marcus was right about not hating Jamal. Sidney was wrong about hating Debbie even more than hating Jill, despite the fact Debbie might be the only killer who's more sympathetic than Jamal.
1. Writers confirmed that Haley was unaware of Kieran being the killer but she enjoyed Lakewood Six being harrassed. She is messed up person but I don't know if she will hold up since she is not in league with killer intentionally but she still enjoyed what was going to them. We can together work on blog that may be for other to decide so the article won't be deleted with any hard work.
2. I hated him. He seemed like a pervet to me with his
4. I'm not sure if Sidney hated Debbie more than Jill. I would say she hated both but may hate Jill more since she was complete monster. She was sad to see Roman die but she definitely hated Jill. As for Charlie she was disgusted and despite Jill for killing even her friends. Is Jill worse killer than everyone in movies? After all she said that she killed her mother just so she can stay true to original. Roman wanted to kill Maureen for breaking his heart like Piper wanted to kill Maggie exactly for the same.
1. You're recommending doing a public opinion blog, where I ask people if Haley should be in the villains wiki? Good thinking :-). I personally believe that if she did know, she would've take Kieran's secret to her literal grave. Yes. She hate Emma that much.
2. Agree. He's the kind of man that only a mother can love. Now, here's the next topic: As said a long time before, I have an idea for rebooting Scream's cinematic universe. Donald gave me the idea of casting the new generation of actors and actresses. Should I write is as a fanfic on its own right, or as information about cast and differences from the original?
3. When she killed Debbie, her expression was "she killed Randy and I got a little gun happy". A cold "go to hell!" face shows more hate than a gloating smile to the face of your dead assailant. Now doubt she had every reason to hate Jill though. I do believe Jill is the worst of the cinematic killers. Despite what she said about her own mother, her real motive was feeling neglected. She felt like her mother loved Sidney better, which explain the depths of the hatred and her phrase "you were always so fucking special!". Roman and Piper did had better reasons, because "my mother didn't loved me" is a better motive than "my mother loved you better". Also, as much as we both hate Beth, I must admit that being the most repulsive doesn't make her more evil than Roman and Jill. Roman is more vile because of how deep his hatred goes. Sometimes, hating someone because he was born makes a certain villain worse than a villain who just want you dead for mundane selfish reasons. Jill is more vile because of her villainous potential and vision (she could've become Sofia Lamb, while Beth will either stay a serial killer or get back to life, believing she proved herself), the scale of betrayal (Jill had many people who truly loved her, while Beth only had one true friend, and i doubt her parents care about her too much) and washing people's mind completely (Beth succeeded to an extent). If you're familiar with Harry Potter, think of Beth as Dolores Umbridge and about Jill/Roman/maybe Piper and Kieran as Lord Voldemort. Know what I mean?
1. Yes, I do like horror/action/suspense/thriller/war/hard-boiled drama/dark fantasy movies; the gorier the better. But nowadays I do not have a whole lot of time to watch them ;( I wonder if they intend to make Prodigy sequel (Arthur is still alive and he is fully aware of the killer and I have a feeling Eddie, being PE, is not going to lay low very long)
2. I am more of a manga/anime guy. I am not too familiar with GoT franchise.
3. Last series I saw with interest was Ash vs. Evil Dead.
1. Yeah. A Prodigy sequel would be nice. Somebody have to bring the karma on Scarka. I hope they'll find a way to get Scarka out of Miles by exorcism and not having to kill a child. Except for Henry Evans and Isaac Chroner, i dont know many kids who deserve to be killed. If you like gory, i believe you liked Friday The 13. "Scream" have some gory scenes too, especially in parts 1, 4 and the tv series.
2. Did you liked Inuyasha and Fullmetal Alchemist? Inuyasha is my personal favorite anime and FMA2003 is close behind. I didnt liked the 2009 version too much, except for Father. They should've let the original go and stick to the 2003 version.
3. I know about "Evil Dead" mostly by rumors. Ash is a good final guy though. Does liking AvsED means you like zombie movies as well?
1. I disagree. It is better off the kid die as well. Even if he comes back and not remembering what he had done, to where and to whom can he go? If he ends up finding what he did, it might end up shattering his mind. Scream series were more of parody black comedy than horror for me. Still, I watched them and had a decent time. BTW, I don't mind endings with extreme despair; it is refreshing.
2. Inuyasha and FMA? Not hard enough for me. Give me Berserk, Devilman, Wicked City, Genocyber, Overfiend, Ninja Scroll etc baby!
1. Miles can be sent to adoption. If he'll forget everything, there's always hope. Most kids aren't beyond redemption. A therapy and loving family can help him. It would be better than depressing endings. I wonder if Miles could've laugh from "Scream". I never found Scream as too funny. "The Ring" was much funnier. At least for me. I'm on stitches everytime i see "The Ring". The part where the horse is falling from the ship is just cracking me up.
2. I'm not familiar with the hardcore animes you just mentioned. Care to tell me about it in little more details?
2. Here's a gift question for every zombie films fan: Do you like your zombies better as monsters or as creatures? Fast and cunning or lumbering and dumb?
1. Um, who is really going to adopt him? After things he did and would do? And can he truly forget everything? I am totally about brainwashed/possessed characters coming to terms with what he/she did, and going on a harrowing ordeal to overcome his/her sins - all the better for me if he/she lays his/her life for it (or paying the price equivalent to the sort) - that would be the ultimate redemption I prefer. The more he commits his deeds the more chance he is bound to be discovered ultimately, and that would increase his life's complication even more. There is really no way he can convince people saving extremely handful bunch. And I don't mind Kill'em all endings...
2. Well, you know Berserk... Genocyber involves bodies torn apart, organs flying, people burn and melting away etc. Overfiend sagas... The godfather of hard-gore and hardcore H-Anime/Anime18!
3. Monsters or creatures when it comes to antagonistic species they are all the same to me. Agility difference doesn't really matter. BTW, Evil Dead series are more about bad spirits possessing objects, living or dead or ianimate.
1. I admit it's not likely, but still possible. I have an idea of my own about a villain who redeemed by becoming a baby. It's an orc warlock who tried to manipulate a human mage to kill his accomplices for him. The mage who was supposed to be his pawn cast a time magic on him and turn him into a baby, and then send him to an adoption. Also. when you say you don't mind Kill'em all endings, you mean you like sad endings with everybody dead? Mabye you're into greek tragedies. In the greek mythology, it happens all the time.
2. I'll ask my friends about it, but sounds lovely. Happen to see "Goblin Slayer"? That's brutal. Especially the goblin king. If he wasn't a goblin, i could think he's a miniature orc.
3. I'm less into "Evil Dead". I prefer "28 days after", TWD, "Land Of The Dead", the novel version of "World War Z" and such. Spirits possessing people shouldn't appear in zombies movies, just like Freddy Krueger have no place "Jurassic Park". Unless he reminds you of Lewis Dodgson.
1. well, villains reverting to baby to restart, while not frequent, is nothing new. I have seen stories with that kind of ending. I don't mind ending featuring annihilation. I prefer Greek tragedies more than "metedashi-metedashi" (in Japanese meaning all is well) ending.
2. I have heard about it, yet have not actually seen it. But your explanation raised my curiosity about the manga/anime.
Hey :-). It took me ages, but now I can get back to you. I can open a new thread, but I prefer keep this thread:
1. Happen to play "Shadow of the Colossus"? It's another game where a technical villain (only technical, because Wander isn't evil. Just a misguided hero. Me and a friend calls people like him "missing in goodness", or MIG in short, as in wordplay for MIA) reborn as a baby. If you happen to play, do you see Lord Emon as missing in goodness, or more like a Dormin from the other side?
2. Recently I've heard about another interesting mature anime. "Elfen Lied". Before I invest myself into it, what do you think about it? And did you happen to see "Goblin Slayer"?
3. Yeah. Not everyone agree about everything. But how about "Jurassic Park"? I'm always willing to talk about it. Do you like it, or at least familiar enough to have an intelligent discussion about it?
1. personally, I don't think those colossi as villains. Also no, Wander isn't evil. Emon did what the thought it was the best for his villaige. The only evil I see is Dormin.
2. Elfen Lied... Kudos to the writer who superbly depicted traumas of tragic victims undergo. No I still have not seen Goblin Slayer yet, but I did hear about it. Maybe I will look into it some time in the future.
3. Jurassic Park... I only remember the first novel, and in the second novel that Ian Malcolm is revealed to be alive (declared dead in the first book but was misdiagnosed) Movie sequels got nothing on books. Those are pretty much all I know about JP franchise.
1. Not sure about that. Dormin did his part to the letter and told Wander the truth. Emon might be missing in goodness, like you said. If we assume SODC is the prequel to ICO, does it means the evil queen was Emon's political rival of some sort?
2. Another reason to watch it :-). The first time I heard about the protagonist was at DeviantArt, named as "the girl who faced Carnage in Death Battles and won". Some people vote by arguments, some by characters and some by powers. Do you have an opinion about this hypothetic battle? If so, which?
3. I like the movies too, but knowing the novels is good enough. Crichton did the right thing with retconning Malcolm. I really think someone should make an animated series/film about the novel version someday. I also have a several idea for rebooting the franchise, but first, I would like to hear yours. Also, here's some drawing of Malcolm and Sarah I uploaded to DeviantArt:
1. Happen to play "The Lost Guardian"? I would, but I won't ever be able to have any consul that's later than PS2, and this game isn't on computer either. If you did played it, how good do you think it is compare to SODC?
2. Let me give you an easy one: I have a future police drama with fairytale characters who live their lives like normal people with mundane jobs, hence the name "Police Legend". Molly Chong (Mulan) and Quazi Tortorella (Quasimodo) are cops, and the big bad of part 1 is Cindi Tremaine (Cinderella). I got the idea during a statistics class in college by realizing Cinderella might not be the blonde victim the Grimm brothers always told us. Before telling you more, how much do you like police dramas from 1 to 11?
3. The target audience will be 15 and older. If you're capable to see Genndy Tartakovsky's shows, you can watch an animated JP. Now, the reboot version of Sarah should be younger than Juliane Moore at the time. The first names I have in mind for her are Lucy Hale, Maisie Williams (Arya Stark) and Hayley Orrantia. Her movie version was great in her own way, but the reboot version will have more of her novel traits. The t-rex blood stained shirt will actually be put to a good use in the final battle, when Sarah will tie Ludlow/Dodgson until the rex and his boy will come. One of the changes in the reboots will be a better villain for part 2, either Dodgson (in his novel version of course) or an improved Ludlow (no longer incompetent, actually dangerous on his own, higher villainy tier overall). Which reboot villain do you prefer? Dodgson or improved Ludlow?
1. No, didn't play it but I know those three games share the same universe.
2. 7-8, as long as they are gritty.
3. Gennedy is too soft in my opinion, being used to animes like Elfen Lied, Genocyber, MD Geist etc. Does Dodson have bigger role in sequel novels? (like I said, the only JP novel I remember is the first one) I don't also remember if there is any talk about rebbots on JP franchise.
1. Maybe you played "Bioshock". Sofia Lamb is similar to the queen. If you played it, which is your favorite hero? And do you think the fact Sofia isn't sadistic makes her worse than Atlas, or the other way around?
2. One of my horror loving friends see it as gritty. Hope you'll think the same. Now, part 1 begins when Molly suspect Cindi she's hiding something serious. She's right. Cindi killed her own mother and two sisters, and rewrote history to make herself appear as a physical and mental abuse victim. She wrote a successful novel about her "troubles" and was believed by many as a famous victim for many years. Her accomplice was Tweedle Dee, who wanted to kill Molly after she killed his twin Tweedle Dum and dissolved their crime organization. Dee will killed either by Cindi in part 1 (exhausted after a gunfight with Puss in Boots/Paul Bering, and then Cindi stab him in the heart with a glass shard, dressed like Molly) or by Cat in part 3 (stabbed with a stake while trying to get out from the bathroom). Cindi's plan was originally framing the big bad wolf ("he played the villain in one fairytale too many"). When that didn't work out, she went on framing Molly. She was extremely close to get away with everything. I have most of the deaths planned out. But here are the parts I might want your help:
A. As said, Dee will be killer either by Cindi or by Cat (Cat is the cat from "Pinocchio"). Which of them should kill Dee?
B. And ideas for Cindi's unnamed sister (her named one is Anne-Marie, whom Cindi killed because she made a move on Charming) death?
C. I might use a third killer for parts 1 and 2. Which fairytale character do you see fitting best for the role?
D. Do you have specific fairytale characters you want to die? I might arrange something such as adding them to the victims list.
3. They said nothing yet, but it's about time to think about it. The last movie is here soon, and the good people should plan a reboot. Like "Planet of the Apes" did. Dodgson had his biggest role in the sequel, AKA TLW. He appeared in the first novel as Nedry's shadow boss, and in the second novel in all his bathory (playword on Elizabeth Bathory and glory). I see him as the scariest JP villains, even more so than Indoraptor. I don't blame you if you don't remember. Even some hardcore JP fans forget how badass he was. Great villain, great to see him being torn by the t-rex chicks. Don't get me wrong. Ludlow made sense in context, because Spielberg's choice to write Hammond as a visionary arrogant man who become a hero vs his villainous version in the novel was one of the smartest decisions in the history of everything, but Dodgson could've been great. He had balls, which many other JP villains (namely Ludlow, Mills and Hoskins) cant claim to have.
1. Maybe you remember "StarCraft" better. Good game :-). I have some things that doesn't add up even after playing and watching walkthroughs, and i'm looking for someone who knows "StarCraft" well enough to explain it.
2. Everyone have culpas. You can work on it. But until you'll become better at advising about upcoming original stories, I would like to hear about your own fiction. I'll be glad to advice you whenever you need.
3. They didn't talked about it. But they should. Clayton Fioriti said something about an upcoming series. I don't remember the name. On paragraph 2, you said you can talk only about what's already happened, and better at fixing things than thinking about the future. How would your remake/reboot to JP look like?
1. I might need to ask people from "StarCraft" wiki then. Maybe you played "The Last Of Us". If you did, do you agree that Marlene might not be a bad woman, but she's less heroic than Joel?
2. Sure thing :-). Which story are you working on?
3. He's a very famous youtuber with many JP videos. He have many insights, some are braver than others. He's a hardcore JP fan. I used to think i'm hardcore too. Now I know i'm just a devoted fan. Check him out. I know you're more into the novels, but he'll make you want to watch the movies and think deeper about things.
1. "Bioshock" is rated M, and so does many games I've played/seen the walkthrough. Which arcade game do you refer to?
2. Tell me when you do work on one :-). Now, you didn't answer my question about your ideas for a JP reboot. I have ideas of my own, but I want to hear yours too.
3. Care to give me some examples? It's important to note that if a grey character appears in this wiki, it's because he/she are dangerous, even if it's a good person caught up in doing bad things (me and a friend calls it "missing in goodness", or MIG as a wordplay on MIA) rather than truly bad people.
2. my idea gor a JP? Just stay as faithful to the book as much as possible. I know that movies, esp. sequels, have nothing on original sources.
3. one example is Mulk. He is a character from the game Ninja Warriors. We don't know if he had a selfish, ulterior motive from the start or he originally had a good intention but got corrupted by the enormous power that was suddenly thrusted upon him. also, he doesn't become another dictator until the end of the game that tells as aftermath narration.
1. You probably liked "The Last Of Us". The world is infected with zombies, Joel the Smuggler become a better person after bonding with Ellie and Marlene the lunatic want to kill Ellie to extract her into a cure, because she's immune to the plague. part 2 is focus on Ellie, equipped with Joel's lessons and sharp edges because of the world she lives in.
2. Many of the JP2 reboot changes have parts of the novel. Here are the main points of change:
A. Bastille Nickson - Instead of a male photographer who was sent by Hammond to sabotage Ludlow's efforts to bring dinosaurs to the continent, my version will have a female criminal who was bailed by Hammond in exchange for executing his redemption. Bastille will be very much like what I want real good people who got caught up doing bad things to be. She will do horrible things out of noble intentions (releasing the dinosaurs inside the camp, emptying Tembo's rifle from live bullets and so on), but unlike Nick, Bastille will redeem herself at her final moments. The heroes group will get to the abandoned worker village, chased by the raptors, and most of the raptors will take a step back. Except for the obsessed raptor who got killed by Kelly, the others will take a step back because of the same giant chameleons from the novel. Sarah will figure out that there's something in the worker village that scares even the raptors. After Sarah will figure out that their enemy is invisible, Bastille will take out a flare and throw it. The chameleons' outlines will be shown for a brief moment. Bastille will order the others to run away and get help while she fights the chameleons. The creatures will chase the flare long enough for the others to get away and get help. The remaining heroes will get to an abandoned radio station and try to communicate with the outside world. The scene will end with one of the chameleons limping out of the building, looking at the corpses of his mate and Bastille with one eye, and looking at the horizon thinking about revenge with the other.
B. Heather Ludlow - Hammond's vicious niece who look Tembo in the eyes without blinking. She'll be less like the canon Ludlow and more like a soft version of Dodgson. Her only real redeeming quality will be regrets for losing her enforcer's respect and obedience. The canon Ludlow got Ajay killed in the long grass because he was stupid. Heather will shove Ajay as a bait for the raptors and kill some of them to fake leadership. Later, when Papa-Rex will rampage at San Diego, Heather will both hunt for the baby and attempt to kill Malcolm and Sarah. In the part where Malcolm tease the cop with "if you really want to stop us, you should shoot us", Heather will shoot him in the neck and miss his vital parts with less than an inch. Heather will refer to it as "a weak choice of words" and resume her hunt. She will close on Sarah at the same canon storage and attempt to kill her as a consolation prize after the baby got away. Given Sarah will be more like her novel counterpart and Heather will be more like Dodgson, they'll engage a serious fight, which will end when Sarah will get a grip on her tranquillizer. A tranquillizer arrow to Heather's leg will do its charm, and Sarah will tie Heather using her blood stained shirt. By the time Heather will take up, she'll see Papa-Rex and the baby approaching with the same "are you brave on children? Come here, you horse crap of a person!" face from the canon. She'll free herself from the shirt which tied her hands behind her back, draw a knife and jump on the escaping baby. Papa-Rex will break her legs and she'll respond in hysteric laughter vs the terrified screaming of the canon Ludlow. The baby will jump on her, and her last words will be "well played, uncle John. Well fucking played!".
C. The chameleon carnotaurs - Just like in the novel, they'll live at the abandoned working village. After Bastille will kill one of them, the remaining one will track down the others. I'm thinking about putting more chameleon carnotaurs in part 3, playing a creature that even Spino-Rex isn't hasty about messing with.
D. Sarah Harding - The canon Sarah was great and tough on her own right, but her reboot version will have more traits of her novel counterpart, namely fighting Heather without any help.
E. The surviving InGen hunters - After most of them will be killed by the raptors and Mama-Rex, the remaining few will gather around Heather, who will use them to kill the heroes group before they all leave the island. Unfortunately for the hunters, they'll meet the heroes, the remaining chameleon and Tembo who came to avenge Ajay.
1. Oh. I remember "Obscure". It reminds me of my middle school years. No kidding :-(. I should play it again/watching the walkthrough. Does it reminds your middle school years too?
2. Yes I do. I'm not hardcore, but I do consider myself enthusiastic. I also have ideas for rebooting part 3 and 5 (part 4 will have only one change), but first, what do you think about my ideas for the reboot?
3. Like Daenerys Targaryen. She's one of the few cases where not being evil at all (Ludlow can be argued as not evil enough, but not evil enough is still evil) makes the villain better. If you're familiar with "Game Of Throne", you know what i'm talking about. Do you also think that season 8 was a bad ending to a good series?
1. At least the crooked teacher from part 1 and the rogue hero from part 2 are still here. It's been so long since I played it that I forgot their name. Which "Obscure" villain scared you the most? I know you're not easily scared, and neither do I, but I still find this question as interesting.
2. Recently there are many JP topics I was the last to know about and caught up with an almost crusade-level argument with a Spino fanboy. I wish I could be hardcore enough to knock some sense into the militaristic branch of the fanbase and know things first. Here's the full clash with the said Spino fanboy:
Does this argument make sense to you? I can respect his opinion that part 3 was the best sequel (most people, me included, doesn't agree with him), but was this aggression really necessary?
3. Not at all. George R.R. Martin and the tv version went separate ways, even if some of the characters are common. For example: Tyrion Lannister, the heroic and tragic dwarf from the series, was actually a villain in the books. As someone who see many hardcore anime as too soft for him, I think you could like GOT. There were some moments that people who doesn't like horror would be scared. Ramsay Bolton and Karl Tanner were very vile people with oceans of blood and gore on their hands. The Mountain was involved in killing children. Euron Greyjoy is like the psychopaths from the news. The scary part is that even after killing his own brother, overthrowing his own niece and refuse to acknowledge his nephew as a vertebrate, he's still only the second most evil GOT character. Joffrey Baratheon is possibly the worst child ever, and for some reason, many hardcore GOT fans see him as the most repulsive villain. Even his own actor hates him, like with Dolores Umbridge. In a show where psychopaths like Ramsay and Euron runs amok, and the Lannisters were the rulers of the world for 7 seasons, people hate Joffrey more than the at least 4 villains who're more evil and repulsive than him. Not just seeing him as a worse villain. hating him. Deeply.
1. they in appearance did not scare me, but some attacks from some enemies did scare me, as they are either instant kill or can take down your vitality from full to nothing in seconds.
2. no, it was not necessary at all. And perhaps that user should read senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan's quote.
3. that is not good. IMO, the only time media adaptation should take creativity freedom is that when authors are unable to conclude their works due to various reasons. That is new; actor hating his own character?
1. That's part of why most people like "Resident Evil" better. The enemies are ridiculously overpowered, but at least they give you more than just one instant kill before you're dead. Leon, Chris and the rest could do fine in "Obscure". Do you have a favorite RE hero? Mine is Leon.
2. I've checked about Moynihan, but couldn't find his specific quote you're referring. Remind me of what quote are we talking about please.
3. Turns out it can happen. Now, creativity freedom on its own is fine. my problem is when the adaptation is throwing the audience behind their back. JK Rolling, for example, know how to adapt her novels to movies in a good way. So does Peter Jackson ("Middle Earth" universe). We know improving an already good product is a form of creative freedom. But does fulfill an unrealized potential, like "Jungle Book" 2016 did for the animated version, counts as creative freedom too?
1. Ada, Claire, Jill, Leon, Chris I suppose. Ashley in RE4 does not count because she can be a burden.
2. "you are entitled to your own opinion but not to your own facts."
3. I am kind to creativity freedom only when motivations of characters are not fully explained in the original work in addition to when authors are unable to conclude their works due to various reasons. I am "stick to the source as much as possible" guy.
1. Agreed. That was the reason Leon turned down her advances. Because there's only so much time one can spend with a burden. Did you happen to play the remake version of the original first two games?
2. That's strong stuff :-). People should remember this sentence more often. Also, here are my main points of change for the rebooted JP3:
◾Spino-Rex - His status as a hybrid will be more clear. His motive will be better than just a ravenous hybrid, and overall more like I-Rex than like himself. A youtuber named Clayton Fioriti made a video about the possibility there was more than one Spino-Rex, and the unhinged one we seen killing the t-rex and chasing the characters was avenging his dead mate (the one who got the airplane to the face). His superpowers will be more than bad writing, and he'll be killed on-screen. Maybe by the genius raptors, like one of the drafts wanted. If not the raptors, Tembo and Grant can kill him together.
◾Amanda and Paul - Saving their son is very nice of them, but the reason he got there in the first place was their own fault. The real miracle is not surviving two months without them. it's surviving 13 years with them. Instead of getting to the island because his parents are too dumb to live, he'll be abducted by criminals who'll try to extort his parents, but got stuck in Isla Sorna. Eventually he will escape and hiding from both the remaining criminals and from predators.
◾Grant - he won't be the raptor-obsessed broken man he was in the canon. His character decay was a major reason for why this movie was just good (at best) rather than awesome as the other 4. In the likely case of using Tembo, his motive will be saving the boy. Him and Grant might get well together. For Tembo, "Grant is a male Sarah minus the ideals taking over her brain". For Grant, "Tembo is Muldoon's second chance in life".
◾Billy Brennan - Taking the raptors egg was one of the most stupid decisions in the franchise. It can make sense only if he was more devious than the movie gives him credit for. In my version, he'll do it for the main human antagonist, who'll try to create a secret police of genius raptors.
◾The main human antagonist - Either the leader of the remaining criminals, a complete psychopath who killed some of his comrades for self consumption and luring the carnivores away, Dodgson (he might be one of the criminals. Not contradicting), Jeff Rossiter (Dodgson's technical boss from the original second novel. Someone on the villains fanon wiki had an interesting idea about it) or one of the scientist who worked with Doctor Wu on the creation of Spino-Rex. Whoever he'll be, he'll be Billy's secret boss. All options above are psychopaths, even in the very slim chance they'll be redeemable.
◾The genius raptors - They are based on the genius green raptors from the novel. Crichton himself admitted that raptors are not that intelligent, especially if not raised. These raptors will either have a good reason to be geniuses, or being raised by the top criminal/Dodgson/Rossiter/rogue scientist the way a pack of German shepherds might be raised by a dog abuser. As said, the good people should've let the raptors kill Spino-Rex. That's what I want to do.
◾A black character - One of my changes in the reboots for JP2, JP3 and JW:FK is better representations of blacks. But for the sake of this topic, i'll focus on the specific black character who'll be found on Isla Sorna. My original idea was a likeable black dude, but I came to consider the possibility of a Sudanic genius who can replace Amanda.
◾An actual emotional weight - For me, the real biggest problem with part 3 is that the good people had the dubious honor to create a movie with parents who tries to save their son, but without any emotional weight. If I haven't seen JP3, I could never imagine it's even physically possible.
◾A strong female character - One option is the aforementioned Sudanic genius, who escaped Wu's experiments team. Another option is Cynthia Wu, AKA Doctor Wu's heroic sister.
3. Usually i see your point, but there's one case that sticking to the source isn't possible. Usually JK Rolling know how to adapt her novels to movies, but "The Cursed Child" was a literature abomination. The worst of all (which means a lot, since it's an installment where Harry became everything he dislike about his adoptive parents, his son Albus is the sideroad of his class, changing time for the better will make Voldemort rule the world, saving Harry's parents is played like murdering Mufasa, Delphini literally shouldn't been born) is change the whole canon and spit on people's faces just to integrate the play into the canon. She suddenly decided that Hermione was black just for justifying the black actress who did Hermione in the play. As a practical result, she spitted on everything Emma Watson ever did, and worse, jeopardized the symbolism she sweated blood to create. Hermione is a scholar Jew, not a scholar black. That's a source material people shouldn't follow. JK should've never take it as a canon.