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  • You said in your notes that it was confirmed Loki had nothing to do with the Draug, however I checked again, Strangers in a Strange Land states Loki was behind the Darkness War and that Loki knew of the Draugr drowning before it happened and went south instead so as to leave the Vikings to their fates. The wording is fickle, but even if the implication isn't that it was Loki's curse but he just knew about it, Who else would be able to arrange such a curse? The Dreamers lack the ablitliy to directly act and neither Lilith nor Samael were involved, Loki is the only x-factor involved in the lore and he demonstrates the ablility to plan around the Viking's deaths at sea.

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    • I suppose we won't find out one way or the other until the new issues come out. I will put down that it is unknown if Beaumont being depowered is some side-effect of the blade or if the Illuminati has some unknown method for permanently robbing the awakened of magic.

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    • I don't know about permanently, or robbed. Suppressed while on Arkham premises or OH GOD I'M DOING IT AGAIN. Sorry, I need to let the conclusion stand or we'll be here all night.

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  • I thought my article is being left forgotten.

    So apparently you did play Suffering series.

    I was surprised that nobody had an article for these grotesque and memorable creatures. So I decided to make one.

    But each of these creatures had more than one abilities, and they were all unique. So I had some major headaches on what to do with their abilities part. And that was as concise as I could. I cannot make it any more concise than that.

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    • Yep, I played the Suffering series - one of my favourite titles from the PS2 era.

      I understand that you wish to detail all the abilities of the Malefactors; however, you don't need to cram it all into the Infobox. In order to minimize space and allow the eye of the reader to flow smoothly from the infobox to the article, you need only include the briefest summaries of their powers. You can detail their powers (and their applications) more extensively in the body of the article.

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    • Good for you.

      okay. I accept that Copperfield and Creeper are not malefactors.

      How do you make of Torque's Hatred having an umbilical cord? Hatred does look like Malefactor in terms of its grotesqueness.

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    • See my post on your wall for the answers.

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    • Personally I like Suffering series way better than Silent Hill series.

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  • 1. Cold Fear

    2. ObsCure 1 and 2

    3. Silent Hill series

    4. Darkwatch

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    • Unique, undoubtedly. Interestingly, one point that crops up in Ties That Bind is that the Malefactors can appear anywhere that's seen sufficient bloodshed: maybe, if there'd been a sequel to that, some of those designs might have cropped up for use in a war-torn setting - like the mainliner with a sea-mine for a face. After all, they've tacked capital punishment, they've tackled urban decay and the dehumanizing effects of imprisonment - the horrors of war might very well have been the next step.

      The Suffering meets Spec Ops: The Line, maybe?

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    • indeed.

      To me, Suffering series is Midway's Silent Hill, except Suffering is anything but silent.

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  • Blackmore

    Creeper

    Copperfield

    Hermes T. Haight

    Jordan

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    • Yes. And Killjoy - can't forget about him.

      Horace is a much more contentious issue: yes, he did murder his wife, and yes, while lashing out in pain he does end up getting people killed - but he's still a far better person than Hermes or Killjoy.

      I'll get started on writing soon - I just have work to attend to first.

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    • Killjoy an evil-doer?

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    • Yes. He falls under the heading of "on-and-off" and "grey area" but he's still a remorseless killer: just look at what happened to Byron - or the C.O.s at the Asylum, or the drug addicts who were "in the way" at Baltimore.

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    • oh yeah, I forgot.

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  • Byron and Dallas were lovers? I kind of guessed Byron might be someone special to Dallas.

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    • (in regards to the Colonel) Yep, that's him.

      I'll see what I can do about giving Horace a profile befitting an on-off villain; thank you for your input.

      Meanwhile, I've no problem with making an article about Carnate, but Baltimore? Given that it's a real place, that might be a little complicated.

      Besides, it doesn't quite possess Carnate's atmosphere of flat-out Hell-on-Earth; yes, Charm City's an urban cesspool with an impressive history of violence, but for all that, there's at least been continuous life there - downtrodden and bitter, but life all the same. By contrast, Carnate was abandoned for decades or even centuries on end in the aftermath of various atrocities: the Puritans left Goodsmouth in droves, the slave ship was never disposed of, the asylum was left abandoned, Fort Maleson was deserted up until it was incorporated into the new prison, and even in the present, nobody wants to live on he island unless they absolutely have to.

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    • just put it like this:

      Baltimore (Ties that Bind)

      also you can make a specific note. All is up to you.

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  • there was no third Suffering installment.

    first was an isolated prison: the dehumanizing effect of imprisonment and isolation.

    second was urban decay.

    third... I was thinking a war-torn region.

    "Most people find jobs so they can live. I LIVED FOR MY JOB."

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    • I know what you mean. I can easily imagine the ghosts: a heartless professional who obeyed without question and killed without remorse, emphasizing grim necessity over any sense of honour and justice... and a kill-crazy psychopath driven to madness by life on the front, having gradually grown to enjoy the brutal methods used to frighten the enemy. 

      Maybe the familiar ghost dynamic could be altered somewhat: rather than being emphasized as the lesser of two evils, as was the case with Copperfield, the Consumate Professional is actually much worse than the other ghost, and will gladly committ any kind of atrocity if it means accomplishiing his objectives - ieven if it means weaponizing Torque/Blackmore against the enemy. For this reason, he wants the player on his side. 

      By contrast, the kill-crazy psychopath has no desire to corrupt Torque - he just wants to kill him, having percieved him as another threat. However, as he follows Torque across the battlefield, he slowly begins to remember who he was before the war drove him insane; at first lashing out in grief and horror, by the end, he's become something of a cross between Horace and Ernesto - anxious to stop Torque from being corrupted, but much more standoffish and harsh than Horace.

      Also I wouldn't doubt that Killjoy would find a way to follow Torque to the battlefield, but wouldn't it be interesting if he made a friend among one of the local ghosts, one similar to him? A medic employed by the interrogators, perhaps, or maybe a scientist conducting experiments on POWs ala Unit 731. Perhaps the two doctors would bond over their love of science and medicine - only to disagree over the proper course of treatment for Torque, and eventually oppose one another - forcing Torque to choose a side between the two.

      And as for the Malefactors? The new spin on the Burrowers could have been really nasty - after all, there've been recorded instances of "casualties" being shovelled into mass graves while still alive. Care to share any grisly ideas for the Malefactors?

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    • much of the scrapped designs of Malefactors could've been nice.

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  • are they really from Earth? Your opinion on this? With Hell-Hole I am not so sure...

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    • Well, the Hell-Hole isn't literally a portal to hell - that we know of. Clem speculates that something within the island's soil (or the afflicted area) has turned "poisonous and vile." Also note that the Malefactors emerge in a variety of ways: according to Clem, the leap from the Hellhole is supposedly unique to the Slayers.

      The Malefactors and the ghosts associated with them are derived from actroctities committed within a certain area - sometimes karmic punishments inflicted on the perpetrators of these atrocities. We can confirm that the phenomena is native to Earth, that the events or individuals that initiated them are native to Earth; we don't have any in-universe data on any other possible origin.

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  • Carmen - on Hero wiki

    Carnate Island - Evil Wiki

    Blackmore - on villain wiki

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    • In a word, yes. Unfortunately, internet access is a little dodgy at the moment: just getting this editing field open took ten minutes, and I'd rather not lose an enitre article to a signal SNAFU while trying to publish it. So I'm afraid I'm going to have to give up on article construction until I'm in more reliable territory - a week, say.

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    • hey. Take your time. Don't worry about their pictures. I know some sites that has good images of them: especially Carnate Island.

      So long as you create them I will be eternally grateful.

      I also have been into hero wiki on occasion and I know lots of their categories when you start article on Carmen.

      IMO, Carmen deserves to be in Hero wiki. Even in death she still continues to influence Torque's mind in a positive manner. In fact, I was thinking Carmen might be the last anchor that prevents Torque from sliding into madness..

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  • Pure Evil?

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    • To answer your question, yes.

      Also, yeah, I thought so too: imdb has nothing to say about who voiced him, so it could very well be Michael Clarke Duncan.

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    • ShamelessNitpicker wrote:
      To answer your question, yes.

      Also, yeah, I thought so too: imdb has nothing to say about who voiced him, so it could very well be Michael Clarke Duncan.

      after all, Torque and Blackmore are one and the same...

      so, as long as you don't cross him, Blackmore won't f--- with you... Affably evil.

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