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Thomas Wayne is a good man.
~ Penny Fleck talks about Thomas Wayne.
I mean, don't you have to be funny to be a comedian?
~ Penny disdaining her son, Arthur.
He's always been such a happy little boy.

Penelope "Penny" Fleck is the secondary antagonist of the 2019 psychological thriller film Joker, the first installment of the DC Black film series.

She is the adoptive mother of Arthur Fleck, a mentally unstable failed comedian whose lack of success and respect triggers his transformation into the Joker. Much like her son, Penny is a mentally ill woman who was responsible for letting her former boyfriend abuse Arthur in his childhood and was temporarily sent to the Arkham State Hospital for her claims of having an affair with Thomas Wayne.

She was portrayed by Frances Conroy as an adult, who also played Elizabeth Hendrick in Law & Order, Moira O'Hara, Mama Polk and Belle Noir in the American Horror Story franchise, and The Director in Nimona, while her younger self was portrayed by Hannah Gross.

History[]

Penny Fleck was born around 1927. When Penny was younger, she worked as a housekeeper for Thomas Wayne and developed an obsessive crush on him; however, she could not pursue the relationship, either because she was already in a relationship with her abusive boyfriend or because Thomas was already in a relationship with Martha and/or was not the least bit interested. This caused her to adopt Arthur Fleck and take him in as her son, but she was sent to Arkham Mental State Hospital because of her mental instability and her inability to save Arthur from abuse in the hands of her boyfriend.

Arthur, as a result of the constant abuse and trauma he had endured, grew up to forget that Penny was apart of this abuse and this resulted in him growing up with her. She began writing letters to Thomas Wayne to get his attention, believing that she once had a relationship with the man. Arthur soon finds out her letters, causing her to explain to him about her supposed relations with Thomas, stating that he is a good man.

After Arthur investigates the truth about her claims after being told off from Alfred Pennyworth and assaulted by Thomas Wayne, he finds out that what she said was not true, and that the letters were feigned. Fed up with lies and furious on Penny, Arthur meets her in the hospital after she suffers from a stroke. Having found legal documents from Arkham who reveals that she is not his real mother, that she is insane and that sh eis even responsible for his uncontrollable laughter by letting her boyfriend abuse him as a child, Arthur kills her while in the custody of the medical hospital by smothering her with her own pillow, making Penny pay for all those years of abuse and lies. However, given her role in Arthur's descent into complete insanity, there's one certain thing about Penny Fleck: she is partially responsible for making her son to become the person he is now.

Personality[]

Penny is not mentally well as a person as she possibly has schizophrenic and narcissistic tendencies hinted in the film. She delusionally believes that Thomas Wayne will respond to her letters and help her and Arthur. She is shown to be neglectful as she didn't save Arthur as a child from his abuse, it's unknown why she didn't but it's presumed she was abused by her boyfriend as well, causing or contributing to her mental problems. Penny always seems to live in a fantasy world as she once had an relationship with Thomas Wayne and even seems unable to realize the reality and never accepts her mistakes.

While Penny cares about her son, she has shown to lie to him multiple occasions which eventually leads to her downfall once Arthur finds out the truth. Penny is also shown to be somewhat degrading to Arthur at times, claiming that he "needs to be funny" in order to be a comedian.

She seems to spend almost all of her time watching television or sleeping, never leaving the apartment and relying on Arthur for most things.

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Trivia[]

  • Penny Fleck marks the second time in Batman media where the Joker's mother has appeared, especially given that the Joker's origins are a mystery as well his name in the mainstream comic book continuity. The first time was in the television show Gotham, which featured Lila Valeska as the mother of the Valeska Twins: Jerome Valeska (the precursor of the Joker) and Jeremiah Valeska (The Joker). Even so, however, it was left ambiguous whether Penny adopted Arthur or if she was indeed Arthur's biological mother and his adoption was fabricated.
    • In Alan Moore's 1988 comic book one-shot Batman: The Killing Joke (where the Joker was depicted as a failed stand-up comedian like in the 2019 film), the Joker is supposedly revealed to have been married to a woman named Jeannie with whom he was to have a child until Jeannie and their unborn offspring died due to an accident. However, as the Joker later muses that he does not exactly remember what transformed him, it's left beyond anyone's speculation if such account of his origins is true or not as well as if Jeannie and her child truly existed after all.
    • In The New Batman Adventures animated show, part of the DC Animated Universe, the Joker tells Harley Quinn about his abusive father, who constantly abused him with or without reasons. However, as Batman later notes, the Joker was simply manipulating Harley to win her sympathy and is stated to always change his version of the story for his gain.
    • In the 2008 film The Dark Knight, part of the Nolanverse, the Joker once tells Gambol that his father was an alcoholic who physically abused his mother and was responsible for his Glasgow smile. However, he later tells Rachel Dawes that he did himself his Glasgow smile after his wife was left with one by some criminals, leaving ambiguous which of the two stories is the true one or if the two are fake.
  • Penny Fleck is Frances Conroy's second DC Comics role; she previously voiced Martha Kent, Superman's mother, in the DC Universe Animated Original Movies All-Star Superman and Superman Unbound, released in 2011 and 2013 respectively. Unlike Penny, however, Martha is a sane and loving mother.
  • While the film leaves it ambiguous, there are some hints that perhaps Penny was Arthur's biological mother after all and that she indeed had an affair with Thomas Wayne, who fabricated the adoption to maintain his image and influence:
    • Despite the claims of the Arkham State Hospital's files that Arthur was adopted by Penny, it's a bit odd that both Penny and Arthur were mentally ill. It could have been a coincidence, but maybe Arthur inherited it from Penny and it worsened due to the abuse he suffered from her boyfriend.
    • After her death, a picture signed to Penny with different handwriting from the letter she had feigned, inscribed "Love your smile - TW" was found by Arthur inside the Fleck apartment. However, considering that Arthur was an unreliable narrator, this could be all for naught.
    • Coupled with these facts, it should be noted that Brett Cullen, the actor who played Thomas Wayne in Joker, does opine that Thomas was indeed Arthur's illegitimate father, as well that while playing him, Cullen portrayed Wayne as if he had really been in an affair with Penny.
    • Also, while many fans don't realize it, it is important to note that Alfred and Thomas, out of all their employees, immediately remembered her after apparently 30 years when Arthur mentioned her name since he possibly would have forgotten about her and would have had time remembering who she is. He also seemed to be aware that Penny may have adopted Arthur, which is odd seeing that he would have paid her no attention.
  • How Penny gets killed by Arthur (smothering her to death with a pillow) can be a reference to how Commodus (who was also portrayed by Joaquin Phoenix) kills his father Marcus Aurelius via the same way in Gladiator.
  • Frances McDormand, who voiced Chantel DuBois in Madagascar 3: Europe's Most Wanted, was offered the role of Penny Fleck, but she turned it down.
  • Originally, there was going to be a scene in which a funeral was held to Penny after her death, as some trailers depict Arthur in Gotham Cemetery. However, it's unknown if Arthur was visiting the cemetery for Penny's death or not, as Penny nor Arthur seemed to have any friends nor living relatives who could attend her funeral.

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Theatrical Movies
Batman (1966): Penguin | Catwoman | Joker | Riddler
Batman (1989): Joker | Joker Goons (Bob Hawkins) | Alicia Hunt | Carl Grissom | Max Eckhardt | Antoine Rotelli | Vinnie Ricorso | Joe Chill | Harvey Dent
Batman Returns: Penguin | Red Triangle Circus Gang (Organ Grinder, Poodle Lady, Tattooed Strongman, Stungun Clown, Thin Clown, Fat Clown, Sword Swallower, Knifethrower Dame & Fire Breather) | Max Shreck | Catwoman
Batman: Mask of the Phantasm: Phantasm | Joker | Salvatore Valestra | Arthur Reeves | Chuckie Sol | Buzz Bronski
Batman Forever: Riddler | Two-Face | Sugar | Spice | NygmaTech (Frogmen) | Neon Gang (Neon Gang Leader) | Salvatore Maroni
Batman & Robin: Poison Ivy | Mr. Freeze | Bane | Snowy Cones Thugs | Golums | Jason Woodrue
Batman Begins: League of Shadows (Ra's al Ghul & Ra's Decoy) | Scarecrow | Falcone Crime Family (Carmine Falcone, Victor Zsasz & Arnold Flass) | Joe Chill
The Dark Knight: Joker | Joker's Thugs (Thomas Schiff, Chuckles, Kilson, Happy, Dopey, Grumpy & Bus Driver) | Two-Face | Sal Maroni | The Chechen | Gambol | Lau | Bank Manager | Michael Wuertz | Anna Ramirez | Burmese Bandit
The Dark Knight Rises: League of Shadows (Bane, Talia al Ghul & Barsad) | Catwoman | John Daggett | Phillip Stryver | Ra's al Ghul | Scarecrow
Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice: Lex Luthor | Anatoli Knyazev | Doomsday | Mercy Graves | Cesar Santos | Amajagh | Joe Chill | Zod | Joker | Steppenwolf
Suicide Squad: Eyes of the Adversary (Enchantress & Incubus) | Suicide Squad (Deadshot, Harley Quinn, Captain Boomerang, El Diablo, Killer Croc, Slipknot & Amanda Waller) | Joker's Gang (Joker, Jonny Frost, Panda Man & Monster T) | Griggs
The Lego Batman Movie: Joker | Harley Quinn | Phantom Zone Criminals (Zod, Sauron, Kraken, Lord Voldemort, Agent Smith, Jaws, Gremlins, Medusa, Lord Vampyre, Wicked Witch of the West, Flying Monkeys, The Swamp Creature & Daleks) | Catwoman | Poison Ivy | Two-Face | Bane | Riddler | Salvatore Maroni
Joker: Clowns (Joker, Clown & Ambulance Clown) | Penny Fleck | Wall Street Three | The Unnamed Vandals | Penny Fleck's Boyfriend
The Batman (2022): Riddler | Falcone Crime Syndicate (Carmine Falcone, Penguin, William Kenzie, The Twins & Vinnie) | Catwoman | Salvatore Maroni | Riddler's Cult | Pete Savage | Gil Colson | Don Mitchell Jr. | Train Gang | Joker

Direct-to-video Movies
Batman & Mr. Freeze: SubZero: Mr. Freeze | Dr. Gregory Belson
Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker: Joker | The Jokerz (Chucko, Dee-Dee, Ghoul, Bonk & Woof) | Harley Quinn | Jordan Pryce
Batman: Mystery of the Batwoman: Penguin | Bane | Rupert Thorne | Carlton Duquesne
The Batman vs. Dracula: Dracula | Penguin | Joker
Superman/Batman: Public Enemies: Lex Luthor | Major Force | Metallo | Amanda Waller | Toyman | Solomon Grundy | Gorilla Grodd | Killer Frost | Lady Shiva | Giganta | Mongul | Captain Cold
Batman: Under the Red Hood: Jason Todd | Joker | Black Mask | Ra's al Ghul | Riddler | Ms. Li
Superman/Batman: Apocalypse: Darkseid | Female Furies (Granny Goodness, Gilotina, Mad Harriet, Lashina & Stompa) | Doomsday
Batman: Year One: Batman | Gotham City Police Department (Commissioner Loeb, Arnold John Flass & Howard Branden) | Falcone Crime Family (Carmine Falcone & Johnny Viti) | Catwoman | Joker
Batman: The Dark Knight Returns: Batman | Joker | Mutant Leader | Harvey Dent | Selina Kyle | Bruno
Son of Batman: Deathstroke | League of Assassins (Ra's al Ghul & Talia al Ghul) | Ubu | Killer Croc | Man-Bats
Batman: Assault on Arkham: Suicide Squad (Amanda Waller, Deadshot, Harley Quinn, Captain Boomerang, Killer Frost, King Shark, Black Spider & KGBeast) | Joker | Riddler | Penguin | Scarecrow | Victor Zsasz | Bane | Two-Face | Poison Ivy
Lego DC Comics: Batman Be-Leaguered: Bat-Mite | Lex Luthor | Joker | Penguin | Man-Bat | Captain Cold | Black Manta
Batman vs. Robin: Court of Owls (Samantha Vanaver, Talon, Owls Lieutenant & Talon Warriors) | Dollmaker
Batman Unlimited: Animal Instincts: Animalitia (Penguin, Killer Croc, Man-Bat, Cheetah & Silverback)
Batman Unlimited: Monster Mayhem: Joker | Scarecrow | Clayface | Silver Banshee | Solomon Gruny
Batman: Bad Blood: League of Assassins (Talia al Ghul, The Heretic, Onyx, Firefly, Tusk, Mad Hatter, Electrocutioner, Hellhound, Calculator & Killer Moth) | Black Mask
Batman: The Killing Joke: Joker | Vinnie & Joe | Paris Franz
Batman Unlimited: Mechs vs. Mutants: Penguin | Mr. Freeze | Cheetah | Hush | Mad Hatter | Two-Face | Bane | Chemo | Killer Croc | Clayface | Joker | Dr. Kirk Langstrom
Batman: Return of the Caped Crusaders: Joker | Penguin | Riddler | Catwoman | Archer | Black Widow | Bookworm | Clock King | Egghead | False Face | King Tut | Louie the Lilac | Mad Hatter | Minstrel | Mr. Freeze | Sandman | Shame | Siren
Batman and Harley Quinn: Harley Quinn | Poison Ivy | Floronic Man
Batman vs. Two-Face: Two-Face | Hugo Strange | Catwoman | King Tut | Bookworm | Joker | Penguin | Riddler | Clock King | Egghead | Mr. Freeze | Shame | Harley Quinn
Scooby-Doo! & Batman: The Brave and the Bold: Riddler | Clayface | Joker | Mr. Freeze | Catwoman | Penguin | Harley Quinn | Poison Ivy
Batman: Gotham by Gaslight: Jack the Ripper | Barbara-Eileen Gordon | Selina Kyle | Harvey Dent | Hugo Strange
Batman Ninja: Joker | Harley Quinn | Catwoman | Gorilla Grodd | Bane | Penguin | Poison Ivy | Deathstroke | Two-Face
Batman vs. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Foot Clan (Shredder & Baxter Stockman) | League of Assassins (Ra's al Ghul & Ubu) | Joker | Penguin | Harley Quinn | Mr. Freeze | Scarecrow | Two-Face | Poison Ivy | Bane
Batman: Hush: Riddler/Hush | Catwoman | Poison Ivy | Bane | Joker | Harley Quinn | Clayface | Scarecrow | Lex Luthor | Lady Shiva | Two-Face | Penguin | Mr. Freeze | Thomas Elliot
Batman: Death in the Family: Jason Todd | Joker | Black Mask | Ra's al Ghul | Riddler | Talia al Ghul | Cheetah | Two-Face
Batman: Soul of the Dragon: Nāga | Kobra (Jeffery Burr, Schlangenfaust, Lady Eve, King Snake & Rip Jagger) | Ben Turner | Shiva | Richard Dragon | Jade
Batman: The Long Halloween: Holiday | Falcone Crime Family (Carmine Falcone, Milos Grapa, Alberto Falcone, Johnny Viti & Sofia Falcone) | Two-Face | Joker | Solomon Grundy | Salvatore Maroni | Poison Ivy | Penguin | Scarecrow | Mad Hatter | San Ho Hui (Mickey Chen) | Calendar Man | Catwoman
Batman and Superman: Battle of the Super Sons: Starro | Lex Luthor | Penguin
Batman: The Doom That Came to Gotham: Iog-Sotha | League of Assassins (Ra's al Ghul, Talia al Ghul, Killer Croc and Poison Ivy)
Merry Little Batman: Joker | Poison Ivy | Bane | Penguin | Mr. Freeze | Riddler | Scarecrow | Francine and Terry

Television
Batman (1943)
Prince Daka

Batman and Robin (1949)
The Wizard | Wizards Henchmen

Batman 60s show
Joker | Penguin | Catwoman | Riddler | Mr. Freeze | The Archer | Black Widow | Bookworm | Egghead | Clock King | Queenie Goldstein | Sandman | Dr. Cassandra Spellcraft | Cabala | Minstrel | Shame | False Face | The Siren | Undine | Chandell & Harry | King Tut | Louie the Lilac | Mad Hatter | Cornelia | Baby Jane Towser | Lydia Limpet | Zelda the Great | The Puzzler | Olga, Queen of Cossacks | Marsha, Queen of Diamonds | Lord Marmaduke Ffogg | Lady Penelope Peasoup | Ma Parker | Freddy the Fence | Lola Lasagne | Nora Clavicle | Colonel Gumm | Minerva | Killer Moth | Calamity Jan

1970s Filmation series
Joker | Catwoman | Penguin | Riddler | Clayface | Mr Freese | Sweet Tooth

Batman: The Animated Series/The New Batman Adventures
Joker | Harley Quinn | Poison Ivy | Ra's al Ghul | Talia al Ghul | Two-Face | Penguin | Catwoman | Riddler | Scarecrow | Killer Croc | Clayface | Mr. Freeze | Bane | Mad Hatter | Man-Bat | Ventriloquist and Scarface | Phantasm | Firefly | Clock King | Baby Doll | Rupert Thorne | Boxy Bennett | Buzz Bronski | Carlton Duquesne | Chuckie Sol | Salvatore Valestra | Sidney Debris | Tony Zucco | Cameron Kaiser | Daniel Mockridge | Grant Walker | Maxie Zeus | Roland Daggett | Hugo Strange | Lloyd Ventrix | Kyodai Ken | Emile Dorian | Red Claw | Boss Biggis | Sewer King | Professor Milo | Arkady Duvall | Count Vertigo | Ferris Boyle | Arnold Stromwell | Condiment King | Calendar Girl | Farmer Brown | Lock-Up | Montague Kane | Roxy Rocket | King Barlowe | Barlowe's bodyguard | Klarion | Arthur Reeves | Gil Mason | J. Carrol Corcoran | Mad Bomber | Dr. Gregory Belson | Bud and Lou | Captain Clown | Mo, Lar, and Cur | Murphy | Rocco and Henshaw | H.A.R.D.A.C. | Randa Duane | Batman Clone | Susan Maguire | Michael Vreeland | Crocker | Nitro | Raymond Bell | Candice

The Batman (2004)
Joker | Penguin | Bane | Catwoman | Mr. Freeze | Ethan Bennett | Killer Croc | Man-Bat | Firefly | Riddler | Punch & Judy | Kabuki Twins | Hugo Strange | Cluemaster | Cluemaster's Henchmen | Ragdoll | Temblor | Poison Ivy | Tony Zucco | Count Vertigo | Harley Quinn | Maxie Zeus | Basil Karlo | Gearhead | Francis Grey | Killer Moth | D.A.V.E. | Dracula | Rumor | Toyman | Mirror Master | Lex Luthor | Black Mask | Sinestro | Joker 2.0 | Prank | Killgore Steed | Team Penguin | Julie | Spellbinder | Blaze | The Joining | Cosmo Krank | Marty Slacker | Nolan | Scorn | Wrath | Metallo | Shadow-Thief | Mercy Graves

Batman: The Brave and The Bold
Joker | Music Meister | Catwoman | Penguin | Mr. Freeze | Clayface | Riddler | Poison Ivy | Lex Luthor | Flower Children | Fun Haus | Harley Quinn | Morgaine Le Fey | Sweet Tooth | Queenie Goldstein | Bane | Kite Man | Black Manta | Ocean Master | Gentleman Ghost | Major Force | Mirror Master | Metallo | Brainiac | Flamingo | Mr. Mxyzptlk | Star Sapphire | Toyman | Thinker | Doctor Sivana | Mister Mind | Black Adam | Baby Face | Dee Dee Twins

Beware the Batman
Anarky | Ra's al Ghul | Deathstroke | Harvey Dent | Killer Croc | Simon Stagg | Professor Pyg and Mr. Toad | Man-Bat | Cypher | Magpie | Lady Shiva | Tobias Whale | Phosphorus Rex | Lunkhead | Humpty Dumpty | Silver Monkey | Key | Bethany Ravencroft | Daedalus Boch | Junkyard Dog | Sapphire Stagg | Matatoa | Anatol Mykros

Harley Quinn
Harley Quinn | Poison Ivy | Joker | Scarecrow | Queen of Fables | Darkseid | Parademons | Penguin | Mr. Freeze | Bane | Lex Luthor | Killer Croc | Man-Bat | Riddler | Deadshot | Calendar Man | Condiment King | Solomon Grundy | Kite Man | Doctor Psycho | Clayface | King Shark | Nora Fries | Sy Borgman | Doctor Trap | Frank the Plant | Felix Faust | Toyman | Metallo | Livewire | Parasite | Black Adam | Captain Cold | Gorilla Grodd | Black Manta | Cheetah | Giganta | Sinestro | Maxie Zeus | Eris | KGBeast | Two-Face | Catwoman | Nick Quinzel | Sharon Quinzel | Suicide Squad (Amanda Waller) | Clock King | Firefly | Court of Owls

Batwheels
Joker | Harley Quinn | Catwoman | Penguin | Mr. Freeze | Riddler | Toyman | Poison Ivy | Kitka | The Legion of Zoom (The Badcomputer, Crash, Prank, Ducky, Jestah, Quizz, & Snowy)

Gotham Knights
Court of Owls (Rebecca March, Lincoln March, Cressida Clarke, Hamilton Hill, & Talon) | Mutants (Vernon Wagner) | Two-Face | Gotham City Police Department (Detective Ford) | Dylan McKillen | Arthur Brown | Crystal Brown

Video Games
Gotham Knights
Court of Owls (Jacob Kane, Constance Cobblepot & Talons) | League of Shadows (Ra's al Ghul, Talia al Ghul & Man-Bat Commandos) | Gotham City Police Department (Catherine Kane) | Penguin | Harley Quinn | Mr. Freeze | Clayface

See Also
Arkhamverse Villains | Batgirl Villains | Batman Beyond Villains | Batwoman Villains | Birds of Prey Villains | Catwoman Villains | Gotham Villains | Harley Quinn Villains | Injustice Villains | LEGO DC Villains | LEGO Dimensions Villains | Nightwing Villains | Outsiders Villains | Red Hood Villains | Robin Villains | Telltale Batman Villains | The LEGO Movie Villains

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