CM or not?[]
We need to settle whether or not Frank Tenpenny is a Complete Monster. This 'absolutely heinous' standard used in an attempt to limit examples has never done us any good. And do you know why? Because people don't have the exact same opinions of what is truly heinous! When I look at Frank Tenpenny, what I see is a man who crossed the MEH too many times to count, showed no regret or remorse whatsoever and has no redeeming qualities to speak of. Even if there are worse villains, that doesn't change the fact that he's an unrepentant scumbag with no conscience whatsoever.Joe Devaney (talk) 18:21, December 29, 2015 (UTC)
Huh funny, you mean like every single villain your protagonist included? Seriously he is insane, but many villains in the series, your main character included have extremly similar things, the way you described tenpenny is the way you can describe any villain in the gta series, the only exception being Donald love who pushed it even by gta standards, but even then he fails to really stand out.Kevin125 (talk) 19:10, December 29, 2015 (UTC)
Well, most of those villains showed some redeeming qualities, while Tenpenny had none. And, no offence, but we need more support to this than just you, considering you don't even think friggin' JOFFREY "SPOILED BRATTY ANIMAL" BARATHEON is a Complete Monster.Joe Devaney (talk) 16:57, December 30, 2015 (UTC)
Catalina and dimitri had no redeeming qualities either, sonny Corelli didn't have any redeeming values either, and the reason I don't see Joffrey as such is because of his love for his father, he was even sadden by his death, so I think that should count for something, also just because i don't see Joffrey or Ramsay as such doesn't mean I have poor judgement.Kevin125 (talk) 21:10, December 30, 2015 (UTC)
Wow, way to draw false accusations. I never said you had poor judgement. Also, I don't believe Joffrey ever loved his father, considering he got over it remarkably quickly. You need to remember that if there's one thing Joffrey was good at, it was acting like he cared. If he really did care, he would have sympathised with Sansa with the death of her father, as Tyrion pointed out. But he didn't, did he? Instead, he made her look at his head and used him as an example of what happens to people who oppose him. Not to mention, he threatened to have his own mother executed simply for slapping him, even though it was for being the same spoiled brat he always was. All in all, he was a ruthless, cowardly, egotistical tyrant who believed being king meant that everyone was his to torture and murdered dozens based on inconvenience alone.Joe Devaney (talk) 21:06, January 2, 2016 (UTC)