Can he really be considered as a villain? To me he is more of a victim than anything else. Balthus Dire 12:49, May 3, 2011 (UTC)

Leonard is a tragic example, no question about it - however whether or not he was of sound mind at the time he committed a serious crime (the murder of a senior officer), granted the officer in question arguably deserved his fate.. at the same time the taking of another man's life, even under extreme circumstances such as those seen in this movie, is unjustifiable.. like many things though I guess it's down to personal opinions on how far we can hold people who are obviously psychotic to account for actions they do not have full control over.. Leonard isn't a villain in the sense of being an evil-scheming malcontent but some would argue that regardless of his mental state at the time he was still, technically, a murderer. Bisque 16:35, May 11, 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry but..

Leonard was clearly a victim rather a villain in this movie - yes he killed a man but its akin (in some ways) to when a hero snaps in a revenge movie and kills the thugs: I had little sympathy for the Drill Sergeant who got shot and although you could argue the Sergeant was doing his job he was still a horrible individual.. did he deserve to die? maybe not.. yet I felt more when Leonard killed himself as the guy was obviously broken in mind and spirit.. he even spared Joker, showing he really didn't want to do what he did.. he was just unable to cope Inferno Pendragon 17:06, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

Hartman is not evil

Sgt. Hartman wasn't evil, he was just doing his job right. Pyle was the real antagonist during boot camp since everyone else except Joker hated him because he was stupid, overweight, clumsy, and does his job wrong. When Pyle turned bad, he and Hartman were standing up to Pyle before he shot Hartman. Hartman was actually an innocent person and while Pyle was more of a victim, he was actually doing his job wrong for most of the time. Dan Vs. Rocks! 23:21, December 28, 2013 (UTC)

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