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Complete Monster

He qualifies as a complete monster, please stop taking him off. Spoilerz (talk) 05:04, January 31, 2013 (UTC) Spoilerz

Gentlemen, gentlemen! Can we all just have him as an "Outright Villain" or "Emotionless Villain", please? As for Bentonfill, do something different instead of being obsessed with the "Complete Monster" category like it's the only thing in the world that matters to you, alright? Use your brain power & be creative. Thank you all very much. :-) - Best regards B1bl1kal Don't cha judge me! 16:30, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Stop adding cataclysms please he wants to rule the world not destroy it. they only call it the end of the world as meaning  end of free will. Jester of chaos 10:35, June 24, 2013 (UTC)

Main Antagonist in The Hobbit Trilogy

Definitely. I have plenty of evidence.

  1. Sauron is the Dark Lord of Middle-earth, not Smaug.
  2. In one point, it is hinted that Smaug works for Sauron.
  3. Sauron is more powerful than Smaug, and far more evil.
  4. Sauron did bigger crimes than Smaug did.

By Misry6.


Um, to be fair that isn't how you define what is and isn't the primary or secondary antagonist of a story. An antagonist isn't necessarily even a villain, really. An antagonist is defined as a character opposing the protagonist, and seeing that the protagonist of The Hobbit was Bilbo, and he doesn't really interact at all with Sauron, Sauron doesn't count as the Primary Antagonist of that trilogy. Sure, he may have a more large-scale villainous plan, but in the actual story he doesn't really play that big a role as the antagonist, per se. So....I'm gonna edit that part out of the trivia. I'll leave a copy here if you like. 

  • He is easily mistaken to be the tertiary antagonist in the Hobbit movie trilogy. This is false; Sauron is the bigger bad of those films because he had far bigger plans than anyone else.

But yeah, I'm going to edit that part out of the trivia. :)

Wickle Fwickle (talk) 13:20, March 4, 2017 (UTC)

Spoilers Box

I took off the Spoilers box as the last Middle-Earth film has been out for a year.Sppople (talk) 18:07, December 18, 2015 (UTC)

Satanic villain

He is a luciferic character: he admires strength, he is filled with pride, he ultimately rebels against the true God  and desires to be a God-King. Vain, arrogance, ambition and cunning make him a perfect candidate for that list. Morgoth was the original devilish character: he was the mightiest of the Ainur in the beginning and started the discord. After his downfall, Sauron followed in his footsteps and became a "second incarnation of evil". He is also an antichrist, claiming Eru is a fictional entity of the Valar' devising, and propounds the Darkness as the only thing to be worshipped. He incites the Numenoreans to go against the Valar. He plants dissent among Men and Dwarves either through his followers or by indirect means of the Rings of Power. Until the matter is cleared (through some voting) I suggest we should leave the article as it is of now. Alex of Star Wars (talk) 15:43, July 3, 2020 (UTC) 

  • Not how it works: the Satanic archetype is Morgoth of the franchise which there is only ever one of per story/franchise unless the person is a literal reincarnation type thing. Sauron does have similarities but ultimately isn’t the equivalent to Satan of the Tolkien franchise as evil was basically made/introduced through Morgoth which is how the category is used. Jester of chaos (talk) 17:07, July 3, 2020 (UTC)
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