Talk: William Afton (Five Nights at Freddy's)

Complete Monster

Can someone please explain why he isn't qualified? He clearly enjoyed killing his victims (who are children, mind you). He then shamefully stuffs their bodies in animatronic suits. He then frames someone else for the murders. He THEN dismantles the animatronics just to dispose evidence. And naturally, he isn't redeemed. How is he not a Complete Monster?Larry.z.eata (talk) 11:38, March 18, 2015 (UTC)

He is an entirely enigmatic character. We don't know his character, we know nothing about him, we don't even know his personality. You could say that he's hardly a character at all, because he's a center for speculation. Robinsonbecky (talk) 11:59, March 14, 2015, (UTC)

1. The puppet stuffed animatronics in suits. Or maybe an animatronic did. Anyway, it wasn't the killer. They were "giving life".

2. We can't say for sure that the purple version is the killer, yet. Still too much speculation. The purple version may have been trying to free ones the pink one stuffed. As a result, it throws doubt of his evilness.

3. He does let someone take the fall, but once again, we can't say who framed who. The puppet may have very well put the blame on someone else to keep the bodies hidden long enough for the spirits to move on or something. Or it could've just been steryitypical blaming. A disgruntled employee might've been targeted by the police and due to no bodies... They took the fall. Or at least received 'unofficial credit' in the sense that the police left them as number one suspect as it all went cold.

The Great Duck INH (talk) 23:13, August 18, 2015 (UTC)

He has a daughter he seems to genuine love. So that's a disqualifying factor.

Inaccurate information

Where in the history of the games does it say that the killer lured children to the backroom TWO TIMES? There were only FIVE children who went missing. Furthermore, it has been established that the yellow suit the killer used was Golden Freddy. If he had used the Springtrap suit, he would have died instantly.--Lordxehanort (talk) 03:42, April 19, 2015 (UTC)

Missing Children?????

In the music video for "It's Been So Long", there were I counted 7 children that were cheering for Foxy at Pirate Cove but when it showed the children eating pizza while listening to the band I counted 6 children, and then 5 children The Killer killed, what happened to the other two?

Oh my god. The Living Tombstone is not canon. How many times to I have to say this?! DONTLOOKFORME (talk) 02:57, August 3, 2015 (UTC)

Theories missing?

I noticed that that neither a mention of spring trap possibly being the suit (do it failing after who knows how long of exposure to the weather), as well as a mention of the "phone" being a hand crank for disassembling animatronics. Also no mention of there being a possibility of the pink character only being the killer. (After all, the purple version was only ever seen messing with animatronics and then dying). Furthermore, id like to point out that the voice saying "you can't" in the save them mini game could've easily been the puppet. After all, the vision ends before something speaks and it's easily shown that it gives you the visions. Ill add some of this stuff later. Let me know what you all think! Btw, golden Freddy should be renamed Fredbear.

The Great Duck INH (talk) 23:06, August 18, 2015 (UTC)

Vincent

Guys, we should get the Vincent Picture out of there. Rebrornica left the fandom and requested us to forget their interpretation of Purple Guy.

Well, and since when should a wiki ever accept fandom as material? This is a wiki about villains in various material. The wiki shouldn't ever accept fanon information or any form of speculatory material.

The Great Duck INH (talk) 20:20, January 27, 2016 (UTC)

I'm talking about that ONE picture of Rebornica's Vincent. rebs really does not want people taking about their Vincent as purple guy and I just think we should respect that. 

RuetheFox (talk) 20:29, January 27, 2016 (UTC)RuetheFox

Well, big things happened

We got some changes to make...Turns out, William Afton is not Springtrap, and is not "the" Purple Guy (he may or may not still be "a" Purple Guy) -SalaComMander 22:25, December 5, 2016 (UTC)

Name

where are these names from?

• William
• Vincent
• Michael Afton

RizX44 (talk) 22:57, December 16, 2016 (UTC)

I think that us what he is called either ib the book or games as a disguise. Micheal Afton is referring to his supposed son, who was mistaken ed to be the killer.

The original Purple Guy is named William Afton, his son is named Michael. Before his name was revealed, some fans gave him the name Vincent.-SalaComMander 06:19, January 28, 2017 (UTC)

Page name

Is the page deliberately called William afton instead of William Afton, or is this just a spelling mistake? Grizzhly (talk) 00:04, January 30, 2017 (UTC)

I renamed it because I think is was merely a minor spelling mistake. Jester of chaos (talk) 00:33, January 30, 2017 (UTC)

i think he is tragic because he lost his daughter he loved, complete monsters can't do that.

By the looks of it, he doesn't express his love for his daughter, especially in regards to the 6th game where he had lines of dialogue, none of which were in referral to his daughter. AustinDR (talk) 07:05, December 30, 2017 (UTC)

Let's talk about the Arch-enemy question. This is getting ridiculous.

Alright, this has gone far enough. It's time to put this discussion to an actual discussion page, because i can guarantee that if we don't, we will have another edit war on our hands.

So! The big question that has even caused this page to be locked down for a while is "Who is William the arch-enemy of, and vice-versa?" There are four canditates at play here: Charlotte Emily/The Puppet, her father Henry/Cassette Man, Golden Freddy and William's own son Michael. Let's list their qualifications one by one, shall we?

Note: There's a "tl, dr" below.

The Candidates:

Number 1: The Puppet

Sweet little Charlie is seemingly the one arch-enemy everyone can agree on. She was Afton's very first victim, starting off everything that went wrong in this series. In the games, she possessed the Security Puppet that tried and failed to protect her and went on to seek bloody vengeance against her killer. As her FNaF 2 minigame shows, she was the one who gave the other victims the ability to take control of their animatronic tombs and hunt security guards until they finally found their killer. Out of all of Afton's victims she was by far the most persistent in her vendetta, starting when she first died at the Fredbear's Family Diner some time before 1987 and followed him all the way to Fazbear's Fright and the fake Pizzeria in Pizzeria Simulator when he wasn't even human anymore, the latter of which took place in 2023. At the same time she also tried her damndest to make sure the other victims found closure and were able to move on once they had their revenge.

This is not even mentioning the novel trilogy where Afton's murder of her brother (or so she thinks. It's complicated) and his subsequent killings ultimately leading to her father's suicide makes her hatred of him by far the most personal. Afton's behavior shows that it is equally personal for him. I'm aware that this page is specifically about the game version of William, so this is merely food for thought.

Keeping all of this in mind, there is no doubt that the Puppet is at least one of Afton's arch-enemies, being far more persistent than anyone else.

Number 2: Henry

Henry was surprisingly absent from the edit war, despite being another good candidate. Afton was Henry's former business partner and his closest friend. Well, that is until Afton killed his daughter Charlie and turned his life's work into monstrous, mechanical coffins; his dream of a family-friendly restaurant that gives happiness and joy to children perverted into an abject nightmare.

While we don't know if Henry always knew Afton was the culprit, he definately figured it out eventually. Some time after the Missing Children incident Henry realized that his inaction, likely a result of needing to deal with his grief in seclusion, allowed his former friend to inflict the same pain onto more innocent families. 30 to 40 years later in Pizzeria Simulator Henry finally takes action, luring Afton (now Springtrap) and the other remaining animatronics into a false pizzeria so he can burn it down and put them all to rest, himself included. With the exception of Springtrap, whom he specifically condemns to be punished in hell.

Unlike the other candidates, Henry only shows up in a single game besides being mentioned in passing in FNaF 2. Despite this, he is also the most fleshed out among them thanks to having some direct characterization for once.

Number 3: Golden Freddy

These last two are where it gets a bit blurry. We know basically nothing about Golden Freddy as a character. Golden Freddy as an animatronic is actually Fredbear, the titular star of Fredbear's Family Diner and the first mascot of the pizzeria chain. He was one of the two springlock-suits, designed to be both a functional animatronic aswell as a wearable mascot costume. His co-star was none other than Spring Bonnie, the suit Afton used for his murders which would eventually fail and kill him, essentially fusing with him to create Springtrap.

The spirit possessing Golden Freddy is a child called Cassidy, most likely a girl. She was one of the five victims of the Missing Children Incident. Her hatred for her killer was so strong that, even after Springtrap was destroyed, she tried to keep Afton in a personalized hell in Ultimate Custom Night. And that's all we know about her.

Golden Freddy was the first of the four candidates to be introduced into the series.

Number 4: Michael Afton

Hoo boy, this guy is a doozy. Golden Freddy has the problem that we know nothing about her, but Michael has the problem that while we might know a few things, practically everything is ambiguous and vague. As the name (and Michael himself) states, Michael gets bonus points for being William's son. He is the protagonist of both Sister Location and Pizzeria Simulator, and maybe also every other game in the series until Help Wanted.

Michael was sent by his father to Circus Baby's Entertainment and Rental, whose animatronic mascots were made by William himself to help him kidnap and kill kids. As confirmed by Molten Freddy's blueprint (except for Bon-Non) have victims including Michael's sister Elizabeth, who would then possess the animatronic who murdered her, Circus Baby. He was supposed to free her, but the Funtime animatronics had their own means of doing so: fusing their endoskeletons, rip his organs out and escape by using his skin as a disguise. The plan worked, but they had to escape to the sewers when his skin got too rotten. Michael didn't die however, as he possessed his own rotten corpse and set out to "find his father". He then volunteered to be the manager of the newly rebranded Freddy Fazbear's Pizza, actually Henry's trap, and waited as both his sister and father arrived at the location. Henry seemingly recognized Michael as he then decided to scrap the escape route for the unwitting volunteer, guessing that a walking sack of rotting skin probably doesn't want to go anywhere else after this.

It is likely that Michael has a personal grudge against his dad after finding out that he's a murderer and being killed by his homicidal machines who also killed his sister. The problem is that we never get a proper confrontation between the two, as Michael never decides speak in Pizzeria Simulator.

Tl; dr

- Puppet: First victim, daughter of his best friend, gave life to the other victims to pursue vengeance against their killer. Also (confirmed to be) his most persistent enemy, as she hunted him all the way from before 1987 to 2023.
- Henry: Former best friend and business partner, father of Afton's first victim, blames himself for everything Afton caused, lured Afton and the other animatronics into a trap to free them while specifically condemning his old friend.
- Golden Freddy: One of the five missing children, animatronic co-star to what Springtrap used to be, hates Afton so much they tried to keep him in an ironic private hell when he died despite having the opportunity to move on into the afterlife.
- Michael: William's own son, killed by his homicidal machines who also killed and are being led by his sister Elizabeth, comes back to life in his own rotten skin to find his dad and do something unspecified.

Conclusion:

Boy wasn't that a lot of text to read, but necessary to understand these vague, vague characters. All that's left is the question: "Who is it?" The Puppet is basically a no-brainer. A personal foe as both his first kill and the daughter of the man who trusted him, helped his other victims get revenge on him and is by far the most persistent of them all, even staying behind to keep an eye on Springtrap.

But as these candidates show, there clearly has to be a second arch-enemy. Golden Freddy hates William enough to refuse the afterlife in favor of torturing him. Henry was betrayed by what he thought was his best friend and masterminded a plan to end Afton's legacy and the suffering he caused. Michael is William's son, tried to free his sister at his father's request (not knowing he'd release a homicidal machine in doing so) and later wanted to "find him" even after becoming a walking corpse.

Personally i feel out of these three Henry qualifies the most. Michael is too vague and his feelings towards his father aren't made very clear, while Golden Freddy doesn't have the history Henry and Afton share.

Slenderminion (talk) 18:46, May 10, 2020 (UTC)

William Afton should be kept as Presumed Deceased

Okay, so for quite a while Afton was getting put as Deceased although his state wasn't confirmed. I know that FFPS was supposed to wipe out the Aftons, but Glitchtrap implies William isn't dead. Until Scott/one of the games will confirm William's fate, let's keep him as Presumed Deceased. RK50 (talk) 13:13, June 17, 2020 (UTC)

I think part of why it keeps getting changed to deceased is because he's marked as posthumous for Help Wanted and possibly Security Breach. Slenderminion (talk) 11:15, June 17, 2020 (UTC)

As of FNaF 6, William/Springtrap is dead and burning in UCN Hell being tortured by Cassidy/Golden Freddy forever, Glitchtap is a digital copy of William. Lockhqu (talk)

A definite possibility, but until Security Breach (hopefully) confirms it we don't know for sure if Glitchtrap is the actual William or just a copy. Slenderminion (talk) 12:03, June 17, 2020 (UTC)

William being the player character of UCN isn't confirmed. Hell, UCN being canon isn't confirmed. RK50 (talk) 15:15, June 17, 2020 (UTC)

"Main" or "Overarching"

It says he's the "main antagonist of the series. Should it be "ocerarching' instead? I would think "main" means he's the active antagonist of every installement, whereas "overarching" actually sounds like the primary driving force behind the events of every installment.

TD-Follower (talk) 13:17, July 20, 2020 (UTC)

Not really. "Main" basically means that he's the main threat, and that fits William. RK50 (talk)

Is William Chaotic Evil or Neutral Evil?

On one point, he does fit a Chaotic Evil, but he also fits Neutral Evil, going always only for himself, treating everyone else like garbage, using them. RK50 (talk)

First things first, William is Pure Evil. Pure Evil cannot be Neutral Evil, it says so on the category page. Apart from that, William does only care about himself, but that doesn't mean he qualifies for Neutral. He does not show any signs of a personal moral code and intentionally causes as much misery and pain as he can for his own amusement, both of which go against Neutral Evil. Slenderminion (talk) 19:30, July 27, 2020 (UTC)

What are you talking about Pure Evil villains can be Neutral Evil as long as they have no redeeming qualities and do everything for there own benefit. Ordeaux26 (talk) 19:39, July 27, 2020 (UTC)

what are you smoking to think Neutral Evil can't be Pure Evil? Neutral Evil is one of the most evil alignments - you are very much mistaking it for something it isn't if you think Neutral Evil is somehow a redeeming thing.. Neutral Evil is the most raw form of evil and makes Chaotic Evil look like pathetic babies in comparison Queen Misery (talk) 19:41, July 27, 2020 (UTC)

Nevermind, i was being a complete moron and looked at the wrong page. Slenderminion (talk) 19:54, July 27, 2020 (UTC)

Keeping the correct alignments in mind this time, i'd still say he leans more to chaotic. I mean during the time he was Springtrap he went into something he knew was a trap just because he couldn't pass up the chance to kill more children at a Freddy Fazbear's Pizzeria, which severely backfired on him. He also doesn't seem to have any proper goal beyond killing for his own amusement.

Furthermore, a close look at Henry's speech from the Insanity Ending in Pizzeria Simulator shows that Afton tries to cause his victims as much misery as possible. Henry says that "[Afton] found a new way to desecrate, to humiliate, to destroy. As if the suffering wasn't enough, the loss of innocence, the loss of everything to so many people." Is Henry a completely reliable narrator? Perhaps not, but he knew more about the situation than anyone else and it's consistent with Afton's characterization up to this point. Afton wasn't just satisfied with killing children. He wanted them to suffer.

On the other hand, if he is Glitchtrap, which seems more and more likely to me given recent revelations in the Fazbear Frights novels, it's possible he has learned from the Springtrap experience and taken on a more methodical approach or plans to do something else. Given that he's recruited/manipulated Vanny to help him with whatever he is planning, he might show more of the Neutral Evil side. At least that's my take on it. Slenderminion (talk) 21:16, July 27, 2020 (UTC)

For the second time, it was never confirmed that FFPS was William's final death, and he might be Glitchtrap (WARNING: BAD LANGUAGE)

I said it once and it turns out I have to repeat this stupid fucking shit. WILLIAM WAS NEVER CONFIRMED TO BE DEAD FOR GOOD IN FFPS. FNAF VR HEAVILY IMPLIES THAT HE'S BACK AS GLITCHTRAP. THERE ARE THINGS FROM FUCKING FFPS ITSELF IMPLYING THAT HE ISN'T FULLY DEAD. UCN ISN'T CONFIRMED TO BE AFTON'S HELL, FUCK IT, UCN ISN'T CONFIRMED TO BE CANON. BESIDES, THE MAIN VILLAIN NOT BEING FULLY DEAD AT THE END OF THE STORY IS A CLASSIC HORROR TROPE, WATCH HALLOWEEN OR A NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET, OR BASICALLY ANY FUCKING HORROR MOVIE AT THIS POINT. SECURITY BREACH AND/OR BUNNY CALL WILL MOST LIKELY FINALLY CONFIRM IF HE'S GLITCHTRAP OR NOT. UNTIL THEN, NOTHING IS CONFIRMED, AND IF YOU BELIEVE OTHERWISE, YOU ARE SIMPLY BIASED, NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS. I hope I made myself clear. RK50 (talk)

1. I don’t think you know what bias is, 2. You need to calm way the hell down. Mekaiser ☯ 14:48, August 2, 2020 (UTC)

1. Again, it was never confirmed that Afton is dead for good. He might be Glitchtrap. Someone said it's a fact. Seems pretty biased to me.

2 - TBH, sorry. Everyone has their limits, and some users can really annoy me here and on other wikis. RK50 (talk)

Uh... I made a mistake

While I was making slight changes to Afton's page, I accidently got rid of that rectangular box with the interchangeable pictures in it. How do I edit it back in?

Its BEEN so long

It's been so long

Since I last have seen my son

Lost to this monster

To the man behind the slaughter

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