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  • Hello, nice to meet you. :) I have a question. I'm only asking you since I think you were the last one to edit this page, but how is Mad Dog from Courage the Cowardly Dog not a Complete Monster? Not tyring to argue, just askin. As far as dark villains on cartoons go, I think he's played even darker and more realistically than Katz, who is considered a CM. And I'm not saying Katz isn't a CM, but how is Mad Dog not? I mean yes, Katz is a serial killer /mass murderer and all, but feeding guests to giant  spiders and turning them to machines isn't quite that realistic compared to Mad Dog, who is an abusive pimp. I mean he kidnapps Bunny and forces her to be his prostitute/sex slave, makes Kitty an outcast, leaving her to wonder most of her life alone with a hatred of dogs, and abuses Bunny daily. And as evil and serious as Katz was, I think he had at least a few, though rare but still a few, minor humorous quirks, but I don't get that with Mad Dog. I guess his personality and motives aren't quite explored that much, so I guess I can kind of understand, but could you explain further please?

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    • The only problem with that is that Katz was a serial killer/mass murderer. It'd be very hard to compete with him over that. There's also the fact that the show is largely influenced by the supernatural, so Katz being able to feed people to giant spiders or to turn people into machines isn't really out of question here. What matters is that they were taken seriously.

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    • Ok, that is a good point, as everytging he does matches the events of the show and it's genre. So maybe he's worst than Mad Dog, but let's judge Mad Dog by his own standards, would you say that he is a CM?

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    • It kind of depends on whether or not he's overshadowed by Katz being a serial killer. Though, IMO, he was taken seriously, and he was a symbol for domestic violence.

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    • Can't they both be a CM if they're both attocious, or played seriously in their own rights? Sorry I know I ask allot of CM questions, but the topic just interests me the most. 

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    • Maybe? I'm not really an expert regarding the trope.

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    • Hmmm....so would you say he is one based on his actions and what he symbolizes? Or just a Knight of Cerebus? 

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    • Well, a adomestic abuser isn't generally a CM, unless they are particularly brutal in their occupation.

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    • Ok. 

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    • It all depends on their ultimate level of atrocity; even taking Katz out of the picture, Mad Dog just falls short of the heinous standard. Though domestic abuse is terrible, Mad Dog doesn't reach quite the heinous level needed. Even if he is a Knight of Cerebus, the cartoon still plays it like a cartoon; he deals punishment by putting Kitty in a giant flower pot. Tell me that's not just a little cartoony.

      He may have been able to count even with the heinous standard, in my opinion, if his actions reached the atrocity levels enough to simply leave no other choice but to judge them a Complete Monster even with the trope's strict criteria. A large part of it also happens to be motives, the pettier the better: Tarkin destroyed an entire planet to try and make a point to Leia, Tomoo viciously killed Lucy's puppy to try and elicit a response from her, and Eddy's Brother abused and bullied Eddy for years on end until the latter was drastically, drastically changed, all for his own amusement. I consider these character all Monsters because they're actions were all played to the level of beyond simple jerkassery, the former two a good example because they still managed to stand out in light of the greater threat and the last one because his heinous actions were still played in an intensely serious light even with the cartoony nature in effect. Point is, Mad Dog could stand out, but not only do his actions fall short of a standard, the cartoony nature draws him back while Katz and the three villains I mentioned had counterbalances to that.

      Does that lighten things?

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    • Yes. Thank you.

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    • LostGod2000 that was very well explained, thank you. Though it was actually Bunny he put in the flower pot but either way, good point. Yeah the flower pot thing is rather mild compared to what real life abusers may do. 

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