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  • Hi, why this character is not villain?

    Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-Rw512qX70

    0:22 - 1:10 The guy in white

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    • Well it seems like he was trying to save at least some only to then have some attack him and try to shove there way through so he decided to close the doors to protect his fellow crewmen. I don't know don't watch any version of the Titanic so I can only go by what it looks like in the clips.

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    • And that Seaman with Axe?

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    • He seemed like in that clip to just want something to protect himself in case the crowd tried to attack (which they did).

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    • In that case James Norrington shouldn't be here. He is really not villain too. In first movie he was doing his job (The fact that Jack Sparrow is main character doesn't mean he is good) in that case he should be here too. In third movie he did some well act which makes me to like his character more.

      Personally, It is always easy to saw it from Protagonist side, but in fact both Steward 3 in Titanic and James Norrington in Pirates of the Caribbean were just doing their job.

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    • I can't say I've never seen a single version nor do I plan to of Titanic.

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    • I mean that Norrington isn't villain.

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    • If you feel he doesn't count then feel free to mark it with a deletion template since I don't recall even the character after following the link. Seen the films but don't recall anything about him.

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    • I have request. Can you recognize british accents?

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    • I know the basic one yes. Why?

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    • I'm not sure what accent that is it may be Irish or British.

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    • For some people that voice is annoying. Is that because of region accent?

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    • It might annoy some due to his pitch or maybe it is the accent I don't know.

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    • Are the racists always villains? Bruce Ismay in 2012 Titanic Miniseries is portrayed as racist toward the italians and he is reason why they were locked up down below deck in storage cupboard when the ship was sinking.

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    • It doesn't always count if a character is merely racist or sexist but doesn't do anything else then they are just an antagonist or unlikable not a villain.

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    • I was discussing it with others who also know what who could do in real sinking and my final verdict is that Steward 3 is villain.

      Yes, he did his job by holding Steerage down, but he had no use gun against passengers.

      Only who could are officers, not a Stewards in any situation. I would like get your permission to add page back.

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    • I don't know the show so I can't say for sure but it was deleted before by User:Magma Dragoon so they might know the series and if they'd truly count more than me.

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    • He almost don't answer. He just seems that don't care about it because they aren't murderers etc.

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    • Well I can't say either way. If he only used a gun to scare people when being attacked and to calm down the chaos I wouldn't necessarily call it villainous especially if he's ordered to let certain people escape first.

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    • He can't use gun in any situation. It appears he decided himself to let at least women through. Now did they attacked him? They just want push through and escape, he irritated people when the stewards started punching and pushing them back, the seaman use axe against them and he even took revolver and threatened to shot them.

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    • He may count then but I rather someone who saw it judge for sure.

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    • Can you speak to Magma himself? He surely will rather answer you than me.

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    • If he didn't answer you on it I don't think he wants to talk on it. It is possible he just hasn't seen the message as sometimes they take a while to give the notification.

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    • Not a Villain. Long before the incident with the USS Titanic, "Women and children first" has been a LAW during emergencies, especially on the Open Seas. The Titanic just catapulted the saying into the conscious of the average citizen. For this 3rd class steward holding his ground against scared and selfish men actually makes him more of a hero.

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    • I mean the fact that Steward can't use revolver against passengers. Why the men should be selfish when they tried get out from steerage? Remember that they would be either allowed to lifeboat up on deck or not.

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    • No. You don't allow frightened and panic people close to lifeboats. They get that close, they will—and HAVE IRL—trample and push overboard women and children. It falls to the crew to control such situations as much as possible. In medical emergencies, such establishing priorities of who to help and who needs to wait is called triage.

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    • By locking gate again he condemned other 3rd class Women.

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    • He let one through. Had the men been orderly and followed instructions, he could have let other women and children through.

      Look, the Titanic was a, pardon the pun, a shipwreck. The ship itself was unprepared for the emergency as there were far too few lifeboats since the concept of the "unsinkable" sinking was not anticipated.

      So not enough lifeboats for passengers, combined with panic people swarming the decks and overloading the available lifeboats so that some of them sank…

      It is not an easy thing to have to stand your ground in a crisis like that, knowiing that you might be condemning some to die so that others may have a chance to live.

      One thing is, as that movie depicted him, his actions were not out of malice. Not Wicked Doing Evil. It was a terrible situation, no doubt, and many, many people died that night. But had he let those passengers add to the ones already swarming the decks, it would have endangered the lives of others.

      In addition, you cannot single him out when he was not the only one holding the gate. The use of a gun does not automatically make a person a villain. Stewards are given guns just for situations like that.

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    • I'm very familliar with real sinking. I considered also others but finally I decided them to be just jerks. No Stewards weren't given gun at all. Only Senior Officers were given the gun that means: Wilde, Murdoch and Lightoller. Lowe was junior officer and had personal weapon in real sinking.

      Link:https://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/community/threads/were-stewards-armed-on-the-titanic.34908/

      Stewards haven't gun at all. And whatever situations happen he had just pushed them in and lock it. Stewards have be polite etc. Which his case isn't.

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    • Don't confuse how a steward is supposed to act during normal interactions with how they are empowered to act during emergencies.

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    • James Cameron himself said on DVD Commentary during this scene that Titanic crew was evil.

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    • I say add Steward #3 because there were third class stewards who prevented the escape of many third class passengers.

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    • @FinnXMarcy Thank you! I think that #2 is just jerk but this one is more evil and had revolver. Also could you also point out that only Senior Officers were given guns? Lowe had personal weapon.

      Of course it is possible that any Steward could be in possession of some gun but they can't show it or use against someone. Regarding this there are officers.

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    • If all anyone does is highlight the negative traits of a character, then *anyone* can be painted in the light of villainy.

      It is *my* assessment this character is not a villain. NOT Wicked, Evil, or Malicious. Owning a gun does not apply. Nor does wielding one during a crisis even IF not supposed to have one.

      Of course, I'm only 1 admin, so feel free to try and get other admins to join this discussion.

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    • What about Quartermaster Hichens in 1997 Movie?

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    • What about him in particular?

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    • Is he villain? He surely is jerk.

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    • I don't know the character but it takes more than a Jerk to qualify.

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    • IRL the person was not charged with any wrongdoing.

      However, fictionalized, and in specific the 1997 (DiCaprio) flick, he may have been a jerk, but not wicked, Malicious, or Evil. Not a Villain.

      How most people act in situations of extreme crises should be considered much like Possessed/BrainwashedDURING the crisis while frightened and panicked they are not themselves.

      However, in cases where the situation stretches out over a longer period of time, THEN any malicious traits may be acted upon.

      For example, in an earthquake, people who tramp over others while trying to get to safety do not count. However, once the crest of crisis is past but the situation still ongoing, in this example, trying to dig out of collapsed places, working way down from upper floors of skyscrapers, etc, THEN their narratives MIGHT show us exactly how they treat their fellow man. Like constantly putting their own safety over that of others especially if obvious they calculate how odds might go for or against their own chances of personal survival.

      In this case, a ship's officer tasked with the survival of a group such as in lifeboats, MIGHT seem to be extreme in their decisions and actions WITHOUT being Wicked.

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