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  • So I've seen your Pure Evil Proposals menu and decided to review some of them myself. I can't vote in PE proposals, but I decided to do this for fun, and to prepare if those characters do manage to get proposals.

    King Dice: He's only running the evil casino and following the Devil's orders. His motivations never go beyond loyalty for his boss.

    Water Street Butcher: I agree that he's Pure Evil, he's a serial killer and snuff filmer who abducted an innocent girl and tortured her into becoming his slave and accomplice.

    Piella Bakewell: Being overweight (and turning evil because of it) doesn't take away the fact that she's a serial killer whose crimes are dark even by Wallace and Gromit's standards. If a comedic villain commits horrific crimes that are taken seriously, they can qualify as Pure Evil.

    Funtime Freddy and Bon-Bon: Both of them are robots created to kill, and their personalities are defined by their programming, nothing more. (Plus, Bon-Bon is the saner one who soothes Freddy.) As psychotic as Funtime Freddy is, he has no moral agency since he is programmed to be an entertainer who does not understand that he is killing people.

    Chucky: Although he cares about Tiffany, it doesn't improve his own morality nor make any part of him sympathetic. The quality he loves about her most is their mutual bloodlust anyway.

    Avon Hertz: Like Chucky, caring about his AI creation Cliffford doesn't make him a better person nor excuse his crimes, and he created him in the first place to exterminate humanity. What would he do with Cliffford if he got his way?

    Frank Morrison: I created his page in the first place to elaborate on his influence towards his gang, The Legion, but as much as I consider him to be unsympathetic and evil, Frank is only a manipulator and psychopath at his worst, and he fails the heinous standards as The Clown and The Doctor are more openly sadistic, depraved and had a higher kill count than him prior to joining The Entity.

    Dark Lord: Sure, he did massacre the internet to the point where the Chosen One was shocked by his crimes, but it pales compared to the Animator torturing and enslaving stick figures. I see him as more of a tragic villain since he went mad upon realizing that the Animator is apathetic towards his own creations (prior to his epiphany and redemption through the Second Coming and his friends), and wanted revenge on him first and foremost. Actually, I won't be so sure until the Dark Lord gets elaborated on further.

    Killer Bunny: As intelligent as it is, it's an animal (technically a Minecraft mob) who just wants to hunt for prey, even if it is a cannibal. It has no other personality traits besides its obsession with meat.

    May do the others later, I'm just doing the ones I understand most.

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    • "He's only running the evil casino and following the Devil's orders. His motivations never go beyond loyalty for his boss."



      We have seen them actually talk to eachother once. I don't think that's really enough.



      "If a comedic villain commits horrific crimes that are taken seriously, they can qualify as Pure Evil."



      Wait, really?



      "Both of them are robots created to kill, and their personalities are defined by their programming, nothing more. (Plus, Bon-Bon is the saner one who soothes Freddy.) As psychotic as Funtime Freddy is, he has no moral agency since he is programmed to be an entertainer who does not understand that he is killing people."

      Funtime Freddy has a moral agency, he's just not as aware as Ballora and Baby.



      "Although he cares about Tiffany, it doesn't improve his own morality nor make any part of him sympathetic."



      No matter what, if a villain actually cares/loves someone, and it isn't being perverted/obsessed, they can't qualify.



      "Like Chucky, caring about his AI creation Cliffford doesn't make him a better person nor excuse his crimes, and he created him in the first place to exterminate humanity."



      Same thing as Chucky/



      "What would he do with Cliffford if he got his way?"



      Cliffford actually turns against him at one point, and Avon started calling him "sir" and basically couldn't do nothing.



      "I created his page in the first place to elaborate on his influence towards his gang, The Legion, but as much as I consider him to be unsympathetic and evil, Frank is only a manipulator and psychopath at his worst, and he fails the heinous standards as The Clown and The Doctor are more openly sadistic, depraved and had a higher kill count than him prior to joining The Entity."



      Yeah, I guess you're right here, I need to think about this.



      "Sure, he did massacre the internet to the point where the Chosen One was shocked by his crimes, but it pales compared to the Animator torturing and enslaving stick figures."



      There's a difference between torture/slavery and outright mass murder and world-destroying. Which is worse?



      "I see him as more of a tragic villain since he went mad upon realizing that the Animator is apathetic towards his own creations (prior to his epiphany and redemption through the Second Coming and his friends), and wanted revenge on him first and foremost"



      He's far past it, it's no excuse for slaughtering your own kind.



      "As intelligent as it is, it's an animal (technically a Minecraft mob) who just wants to hunt for prey, even if it is a cannibal. It has no other personality traits besides its obsession with meat."



      TBH, yeah, but he shows moral agency and isn't a Generic Doomsday Villain.

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    • Alright, I apologise for my claims about Dark Lord, I remember when I listed his crimes as a Moral Event Horizon back on TV Tropes, saying it doesn't justify how he killed other stick figures. I just let my own "wrong because I just feel it" bias get the better of me and I am genuinely sorry about that. So now I agree that the Dark Lord has a spot, but he needs a bit more screen time in the future to cement his status.

      Let's reassess. King Dice is not Pure Evil because his main motivation is to gain the contracts of the renegade debtors, under his master's orders. He doesn't kill anyone, he doesn't torture anyone, he only gets Cuphead and Mugman to get the contracts back.

      Funtime Freddy is also not PE since being a delusional and psychotic killer is literally what he, as a robot, was created to do by William Afton. Freddy is like Auto from Wall-E, who doesn't understand human morality and only does what he is programmed to do, while his creator William is fully aware that he's killing, and he does so in order to perform experiments on souls. In short, Freddy fails the heinous standard compared to William Afton.

      The Killer Bunny is a sophisticated and intelligent trickster who hides his cannibalism, but he's no sadist or torturer, he's just a very smart predator. Plus since it's now agreed that the Dark Lord is Pure Evil, the Killer Bunny fails at the heinous standards since other villains are more destructive and homicidal than him.

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    • "I remember when I listed his crimes as a Moral Event Horizon back on TV Tropes"



      I'm actually the guy who edited them a few days ago.



      "So now I agree that the Dark Lord has a spot, but he needs a bit more screen time in the future to cement his status."



      Thankfully, he's returning in the next video, or at least the next AvA Short.



      "Let's reassess. King Dice is not Pure Evil because his main motivation is to gain the contracts of the renegade debtors, under his master's orders. He doesn't kill anyone, he doesn't torture anyone, he only gets Cuphead and Mugman to get the contracts back."



      Okay, I see your point. I still think he's worse than the Devil, the Devil is generic.



      "Funtime Freddy is also not PE since being a delusional and psychotic killer is literally what he, as a robot, was created to do by William Afton. Freddy is like Auto from Wall-E, who doesn't understand human morality and only does what he is programmed to do, while his creator William is fully aware that he's killing, and he does so in order to perform experiments on souls. In short, Freddy fails the heinous standard compared to William Afton."



      AI that was created to be evil can be PE if they have a moral agency, lack redeeming qualities and stand out on their own. FunFred does everything listed, and is arguably worse than Glitchtrap if Glitchy isn't Afton 3.



      "The Killer Bunny is a sophisticated and intelligent trickster who hides his cannibalism, but he's no sadist or torturer, he's just a very smart predator. Plus since it's now agreed that the Dark Lord is Pure Evil, the Killer Bunny fails at the heinous standards since other villains are more destructive and homicidal than him."



      He's arguably the second worse, as most are parodies, have redeeming qualities, or don't do enough. The Killer Bunny possibly wanted to destroy the entire world he lives in just to get rid of the Second Coming.

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